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Newbie : Still can't win
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| sherer |
Posted on 03-03-2009 15:06
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Hi
Been playing the 08 version for just over 2 weeks now. Am really getting into the career mode and am playing as Astana. I've used the search function and can now get a top 10 but no wins yet.
I'm not sure i am using the correct tactics. On sprint stages i wait till 20k to go and then set my riders to relay with 99% and then that moves them to the front. I then wait till 5k and use up my gels and then set my sprinter off near the 3-2 k mark depending on where I am and how the others are doing. I can get top 10 and even second once but still can't win.
I've seen mention of others following wheels and setting up the train but it doesn't seem to work for me or I can't follow anyone else anyway. I just use the normal panel to set the follow and effort not the sprint one.
I also can't seem to manage a long breakway either. Had a mountian stage with Astana and Sergio Paulinho who was on 85% fittness. Went away half way through the stage but only got 2 mins and then by the last climb I had a full red bar but no yellow but the attack button was greyed out and have now gone down on GC from second to 10th.
Also not too sure about the training screen. My riders all have stuff set but there is also the trainer drop down and not sure how to use that and how to peak riders at set times of season.
Am still doing research via here but any info to help would be great |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 03-03-2009 15:20
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I cant find older discussion for same subject..
But for sprint took me long time to learn (at first I learned how to climb)..
Quick tip:
Sprint- Around 15km. before finish follow button is ready for use. Easy way is find some other fast sprinter and choose follow..he can drag you up there when sprint starts. If he wins at least you get into the podium..
To beat this man..same thing follow and just around 1km mark hit the sprint button. You efort should be 99% and sprint mode agressive |
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| sherer |
Posted on 03-03-2009 15:26
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thanks for the info. did i miss this in the manual ? How do i follow someone ? Is that the observe thing or something different ? |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 03-03-2009 15:27
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At the climb there is several ways..
a) cheater mode.. find for your star climber good helper. Protect the star rider with second best climber..when final climb starts hit the dott command and but effort near 80-90%.. If you get some advantage follow that you dont waste your man before the line..play with effort (this one works only in easy game mode)
b) real stuff..again get your star protected..and be near at the peak when final climb starts. Then sit and wait when main favorites atacks..dont rush after any atack. When favorites do atack ..push counter atack..if you lucky lead group is formed now. 08 game be ready they will probably atack again..If not keep himself fresh has possible to atack in final 2km. or just if you are shure find the best climber-spinter at he group and beat him in sprint..same way has I told before. (sprint follow button..will be there just about 2km. before the line) |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 03-03-2009 15:29
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sherer wrote:
thanks for the info. did i miss this in the manual ? How do i follow someone ? Is that the observe thing or something different ?
You will notice S with arrow button will light up..
If you choosing to follow for example Boonen..right click to Boonen and then choose S with arrow.
Building a 4 rider sprint train is even more fun..but try at first this follow thing and let us know..how you did
Edited by Guido Mukk on 03-03-2009 15:30
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| sherer |
Posted on 03-03-2009 15:34
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Guido Mukk wrote:
sherer wrote:
thanks for the info. did i miss this in the manual ? How do i follow someone ? Is that the observe thing or something different ?
You will notice S with arrow button will light up..
If you choosing to follow for example Boonen..right click to Boonen and then choose S with arrow.
Building a 4 rider sprint train is even more fun..but try at first this follow thing and let us know..how you did
thatnks for that, think that could be what i was missing as the other threads i have seen have mentioned this and i wasn't sure what to do :-(
I do think the manual they give you could be a bit better for helping out with this sort of thing |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 03-03-2009 15:35
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https://pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread....ost_144497
https://pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread....ost_104366
Scond one is better..this is 07 game..but sprint works same way
Edited by Guido Mukk on 03-03-2009 15:37
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 03-03-2009 15:40
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sherer wrote:
I do think the manual they give you could be a bit better for helping out with this sort of thing
It ok..You got a game 2 weeks ago..I have my 6th. version..still playing. This is great game. Later visit download section and downlaoad DailyDB v. 2.0 and update 2.1. There is few tricks before install..but always ask.
Then you gonna get even more fun. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 03-03-2009 15:45
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You may also find these threads useful:
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 03-03-2009 15:53
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it always takes a while to record your first win, but don't worry it will come. Just do smaller CT races to record small wins, master them and then just try your best in all the PT races. Also try on easy first, and build up to hard.
There's no point slapping a schleck - Sean Kelly on "Who needs a slap"
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| sherer |
Posted on 03-03-2009 15:58
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CrueTrue wrote:
You may also find these threads useful:
i've been reading these threads as i found them via a search. Think i am getting there slowly i've gone from no where to the odd top 10 after searching so am getting there.
thanks for the advice so far i appreciate it |
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| ruben |
Posted on 03-03-2009 16:40
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You have set effort much too high.
99% wears you out way too fast. The most important thing about your rider, is his YELLOW bar, not his red bar, that is only usefull for attacks. The yellow bar however, determines how long he can hang on to a group, if that's empty, you are screwed.
In mountain stages, you should, at all times, not go above 60% until the final climb. If you are on the final climb, regulate your efforts between 65 and 85%. Never go above until the final km...
The key here is energy management. Don't go out to soon, or you'll pay for your efforts. |
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| sherer |
Posted on 03-03-2009 23:31
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thanks for the info, I will take a note of that, in another race i had Colom fro Astana at about 72 and he was pulling away on the climbs then but I was using him to get the mountain jersey and not going for overall.
i will try the below as I tried a lone breakaway and that just failed and dropped me down on GC.
From doing some more searches i'm not sure if it is possible to do a lone breakaway although i've had one stage where that did happen to me and it stayed away.
It's my first career with 08 so I guess I just need to work at it some more, got home too late to test anything out today |
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| Gentleman |
Posted on 04-03-2009 07:18
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Referring to the links posted before, I've followed them to the letter and they tend to work for me (or at least, some of them).
Riding with Rabobank, I don't really have anything like a proper train to work for my sprinter, so I usually scout the pack and see which are the most probable winners in a mass sprint. I then look where they position themselves, as a train which goes faster than the pack usually manages to get a lead on the rest of the pack.
I then follow the sprinter which is statistic-wise a little worse (halfway the train) or just as good as mine (near the front). Try to make it so that the best sprinter, or the second best sprinter (if he's the little worse than you) ends up leading the train by around 2 km from the finish. If you manage to keep up with him, overthrow him by sprinting instead of following around 1km. You'll have to play with the distance though, as it depends on your and his form whether you can pass him within a single km or not.
Sometimes you'll need 1.2 km to win if your form is worse than his but you have a better sprint statistically, while at other times when you have a top-form Boonen following you, you might want to wait a little longer (like 0.7 km) before you position yourself in the front due to the wind draining you faster than the one following you.
As for the mountains, if you can, try to keep your yellow bar as full as possible. That means if they're speeding up, go for the 'manual' version, set yourself to a pace which keeps your heartbeat at 166 (then it won't drain your yellow bar) and see how far that can take you. Play with the pace somewhat, so you don't get too far behind, but if you're statistically worse than most other contenders, you might blow yourself up by trying to keep up with them by using short relay or keep position. You'll notice it when you switch from 'manual' to 'short relay' and see your heartrate skyrocket from 166 to 185 for a mere 2 meters gain. That's really not worth the effort, as doing so for 200 meters will empty your yellow bar, whereas you going steady with a 170 heartbeat will find you with a near-full yellow bar and only 4 meters behind. With the energy gel you can easily overcome such a distance while still having half of your yellow bar before you sprint away from them.
Rather let them tire themselves out with short attacks and trying to reel in the others instead of going up yourself if you're not as good as them 
Remember: If you're a good TT, just set one pace and go for it. The longer you ride on that pace, the lower your heartrate goes and the more yellow you preserve. Although riding on 90% on a steep slope will never get you relaxed |
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| yoejo |
Posted on 04-03-2009 21:26
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read the sprint thread cruetrue have linked. that´s a very good one. notice my long post about leading out a train 
anyway, as gentleman says, never use the "short relay" button on the last climb. even if you are in the first group in the final km of a mountain stage, never use the realy button. always use the dot.
you write about staying away from the pack and win by lone breaks. that´s very hard, you know. here´s some tip for you:B)
Let´s say that you have a fairly good climber on your team. (77-80 in MO) He must´nt have with the GC to do, or else the pack will desperately chase him down. at least 15 min behind the leader or so.
In the beginning of a mountain stage of, let´s say the Tour, there´s a flurry of attacks.  It´s crazy sometimes and it´s kind of a lottery which men who will succeed with going with the breakaway. I suggest you don´t care about the breakaway at this time of the stage.
But let´s say that there´s maybe four or five mountain-prizes along the stage, as it usually is.
Hopefully, the pack will chase the breakaway VERY early, ye sometimes they actually do that. there might be only 60 or 70 riders left after the first mountain or so. Don´t worry, they will slow down when they realize the breakaway is very close. 
Here comes your chance! very often a fairly good climber attacks, with maybe 60-100 k to go. Again, who has nothing to do with the GC. Maybe 77-78 in MO. that´s your chance to a stage victory. join him or them in the breakaway. Hopefully, the pack won´t see you as threats to them and they will let you go.
You don´t get these chances very often though, but it´s real funny when it works. but it´s still really hard to stay away, I prefer not have a rider who go for stage wins. I rather have him for the KOM-jersey or a top 10 in the GC (I play on Hard)
if you use the dot when you pace, as I suggest you do, don´t put so much effort. maybe between 55-69 depending which pulse he gets. try to have 166 or so. you´ll notice if the pack chase you down later fast or not. don´t put so much effort in the beginning of the break when the pack chases slowly. save your energy for when they chase hard! same tip for that for the flats breakaway. have 50 in the beginning, then raise it to 65-75 when they chase hard.
I hope it isn´t a too long post, excuse me for my shabby english as well. Enjoy and good luck! |
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| ruben |
Posted on 04-03-2009 21:42
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s for the mountains, if you can, try to keep your yellow bar as full as possible. That means if they're speeding up, go for the 'manual' version, set yourself to a pace which keeps your heartbeat at 166 (then it won't drain your yellow bar) and see how far that can take you. Play with the pace somewhat, so you don't get too far behind, but if you're statistically worse than most other contenders, you might blow yourself up by trying to keep up with them by using short relay or keep position. You'll notice it when you switch from 'manual' to 'short relay' and see your heartrate skyrocket from 166 to 185 for a mere 2 meters gain. That's really not worth the effort, as doing so for 200 meters will empty your yellow bar, whereas you going steady with a 170 heartbeat will find you with a near-full yellow bar and only 4 meters behind. With the energy gel you can easily overcome such a distance while still having half of your yellow bar before you sprint away from them.
Exactly, finally some one who understands the importance of heart rate and manual effort
This is basically what I've been doing since day 1 since the game came out. Keep your yellow high, keep your heart rate low as long as possible... that's the key to succes. I can even win the Tour with a 76 climber, if his TT is good enough and I can hold on decent in the mountains. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 04-03-2009 22:20
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Indeed that last one was helpful for me eather..I am not anymore mountain king when new energy system came out |
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| sherer |
Posted on 09-03-2009 11:49
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well i am getting better but still no win yet. Learnt a few things as had both Contador and Leiphimer crash near the end of stages when I tried to push them too hard when they had run out of yellow bar.
One thing I am finding unrealistic is I have fit riders and I have been monitoring the leader on GC, I can follow is attack and then monitor him and he has way more yellow bar left than I do when mine is almost gone he has half left even though I have attacked less than him.
I did notice when I used the observe that at one point it changed to "GO" is this saying it is a good time to attack ?
Almost had a breakaway make it got caught with 1k to go but I was second on GC and only chance of the win was a breakaway near the end of the race, finished in the pack so no great loss there.
One other strange thing that happened to me was at one point the leader on GC attacked but even though I had yellow bar and a full red bar I couldn't attack or counter attacked they were greyed out and so I lost time. They came back later but no idea why I couldn't use it earlier |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 09-03-2009 12:11
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I personaly dont use observe function..with counter atack try to get fast behind on main atackers backwheel..they you use a slipstream as max. Its hard to ride-atack this cap down again.
There is ofcorse Valverde and other bastards who has grazy acceleration speed in the uphill sprint. Or top form climbers ..hard to follow.
But this observe idea is good..that means your rider will be close to favorite..just for use that function (they probably now wasting to much energy)..i hope cyanide will improve this one
Edited by Guido Mukk on 09-03-2009 12:13
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| Mithrandir |
Posted on 09-03-2009 22:47
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sherer wrote:
I did notice when I used the observe that at one point it changed to "GO" is this saying it is a good time to attack ?
When the rider, you observe is (counter-)attacking, the "GO" button appears and pushing that will make your observing rider counter-attack the observed rider.
sherer wrote:
One other strange thing that happened to me was at one point the leader on GC attacked but even though I had yellow bar and a full red bar I couldn't attack or counter attacked they were greyed out and so I lost time. They came back later but no idea why I couldn't use it earlier
When your rider observes another rider, he can only respond to that rider's attacks - you cannot attack or counter-attack other riders, until you disable the observing... which takes a little while to "kick in"
If your observer is no longer in the same group as the observed, observation mode is disabled.
(lots of "observ[...]" words here, but I hope it makes sense) |
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