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| webcop |
Posted on 09-02-2009 21:33
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Hi never been that good at setting up a train so thought I would ask what people thought the pro's & cons of setting up a train and maybe having a class sprinter follow your man or just have your sprinter been lead out by the best sprinter from other teams? |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 09-02-2009 21:42
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ok. Here's how I do:
1 flat rider
2 medium sprinters
1 star sprinter
Go with the flat rider (more than 76) in front by following some riders than are relaying.That happens with 8 or 7 km left. After him put your medium sprinters (the one that is better on flat first then the other). After the medium sprinter put you flat one. All the riders should be here somewhere between 60 and 75 in the level of effort. With 5km to put your first rider (the flat one) on 99 and choose the dot button (the effort cursor one). Ussualy the sprint starts with 3km to go, start it with your flat rider in front but only 100 metres or even less cause probably he already is tired and start to sprint with your first sprinter. Between 1.5 km and 2 km left to the finish line sprint with the second sprinter. With 1km or 700m before the finish start to sprint with your star sprinter. Sometime you get the win sometimes not, depends a lot of the speed of the computer's trains. 
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| webcop |
Posted on 09-02-2009 21:49
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So you would rather setup your own train than follow another top sprinter?
Was just thinking if i was Cavendish would i rather have boonen on my wheel or be following his |
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 09-02-2009 21:52
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if i were cav, boonen on my wheel, cos i know he wouldnt be able to come around.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 09-02-2009 21:57
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depends of the stats on the DB you're using. On those one that I use for my story belive me, Boonen will come arround
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| webcop |
Posted on 09-02-2009 22:00
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So this is my point, if you are the best sprinter in the field are you just as good taking a wheel rather than setting up your own train i.e McEwen |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 09-02-2009 22:02
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It's a lot harder to make you own sprint train. But when you try to go after other wheels you need to have some luck cause you never know who is going to be the best train
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| webcop |
Posted on 09-02-2009 22:09
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What kind of sprint stats should the two lead out sprinters have if leading out say a boonen or cavendish? |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 09-02-2009 22:12
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somewhere between 74 and 78 an Eisel, Roelandts, Weylandt or something like that
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| webcop |
Posted on 09-02-2009 22:16
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So you use two sprinters with 78 stats to lead out? Crickey thats an expensive train |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 09-02-2009 22:19
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You can't do that every time. For example sometime I use Sieber(75 sprint and 73 flat) or even one like Van Emden but then it's hard to belive that they will not lose speed and you star will be far from a position from where he can attack the victory...
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| facmanpob |
Posted on 10-02-2009 08:47
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I find that on 'hard' creating your own train is quite difficult, so here's what I do (and its just won me 3 flat stages in the Giro! )
1 x flat rider eg Phil Southerland (flat 77)
1 x medium sprinter eg Lars Boom (sprint 73)
1 x fast sprinter eg Francisco Pacheco (sprint 82)
with 20km to run, I relay all three of my riders into the front third of the peloton, each with another rider protecting them.
At 11km to ride, I set Pacheco to sprint follow Boom and Boom to sprint follow Southerland. Now the key thing is what to do with Southerland. (btw all three riders should have their effort set to 99 at this point, and their sprints set to 'aggressive' to make sure they get on the right wheel.
In most sprint stages, the riders at the front of the peloton who are relaying, will be in the lead until the sprint starts at just under 3km. Each rider will take a turn on the front of about 1km. So, at about 8km to ride, I count 8 riders back from the front of the relay, and set Southerland to sprint follow him. That way, my train gets relayed to the front of the pack! At 3km to ride, my train should just about be at the front, and then I can start my sprint with Boom.
Once Boom's sprint energy runs out, Pacheco takes over, and bingo!
Above is an example. The relay at the front of the peloton goes off to the right of the picture. Southerland, in dark blue, is 3rd in line, sprint following the Gerolsteiner rider, with Boom and Pacheco behind him.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 10-02-2009 08:50
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but all of them with 99 they don't run out quickly out of energy?
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 10-02-2009 11:52
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99 is the maximum effort they will use not automatically how much
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| facmanpob |
Posted on 11-02-2009 10:18
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alexkr00 wrote:
but all of them with 99 they don't run out quickly out of energy?
As mb2612 said, when the riders are in sprint follow mode, setting the effort to 99 means that they can use maximum energy to keep up with the person in front, not that they will. How much energy they actually use is dependent upon how much the person they are following is using. So, if the rider in front is using 75 effort, then your rider will only use 75.
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| yoejo |
Posted on 11-02-2009 13:00
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sometimes sprint trains works, sometimes not.
I can take an example. I play with rabobank in my 3rd season. I prefer sprint trains a lot, though it requires a lot of playing and experience:
I play on normal. can be good to know,
one of my sprint trains can be like this, from the front to the last: Joost Posthuma, Sebastian Langeveld, Elia Rigotto and Oscar freire.
11 km to go: I put Joost Posthuma to follow one of the relay guys. maybe in 8th position.
Sebastian Langeveld follows Joost.
Rigotto (78 in SP) follows langeveld.
freire (81 in SP) follows rigotto
10.9-7 km to go: I try to keep Joost Posthuma at the front. 5th or 6th position by following a relay-rider.
around 6.9 km to go, depends the situation and how the other trains develops, poosthuma on the dot for 99. percent. as fast as he´s dropping a little bit of speed, or before that, I have langeveld on the 99 % dot. he makes a small attack, just to keep the speed.
often, in this situation, the other trains is far back and a podium place is very possible. sometimes the other trains are ahead of my. the only thing to do is try to jump over to another train that´s only two or three riders long
5-3 km go: hopefully, and often, my train is "leading". with 2.8 km to go, he sprints. as fast as I see any sprinter closing to freire or raises the speed, rigotto takes over. the rest is formality.
this might be confusing to read, but very easy to do if you train a little, and makes sure the riders are fresh with 12 km to go. I also has william walker, greg van avermaet, juan antonio flecha and dmitri grabovskyy as lead-out men. I have been very successfull in sprints and it takes a while to learn. trains also works with three men, as the guys have said before.
I cna lay out pictures of my trains if you find it confusing. I just want to be clear.
facmanbob illustrate my trains a lot. that´s the goal with sprint trains. to keep up the speed and organisation. the best is if your two sprinters come 1st and 2nd. happends to me sometimes.  |
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