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Mountains tactics
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| lechia |
Posted on 04-08-2008 00:14
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I tried to test if the tactic from previous PCMs of putting a rider on 99% dot would allow me to get away from the main bunch. I used the Hautacam stage of the Tour. I put my Voigts, Sorensens on the front at 99% for the first mountain in the stage. This dropped a whole bunch of guys with about 56 left on the way down. Now when we reached the bottom of the last mountain, I protected Sastre with A. Schleck (actually he was protected all the time) and put him on 99 dot. Eventually I was able to get some separation from the peleton of about 18 sec. However, Sastre (Andy dropped off by then) didn't increase his gap over Pelizzotti who was leading whatever remained of the bunch. Soon a bunch of guys from the peleton attacked and bridged over the gap easily and some soon (a couple of km away from the line) attacked again and I didn't have any juice left to follow them. I ended up 4th (first of the small groupetto), but Evans got around a minute and Pelizzotti about 40 sec. Of course my form was excellent 98p. Perhaps I should have waited about halfway up the mountain before putting Sastre on max effort dot? What is your experience, guys? Does the dot work at all to get your rider away? How do I keep and increase the gap over a chasing group after I've gotten away? This goes for both after I attacked and after I just used 99dot. Also, is it me or is it harder to come around someone in a sprint in PCM 08? I finish 2nd almost every time. In fact, I've noticed that often good sprinters (in the 70s) can't come around guys at 60 sprint (just looking at two computer managed riders. |
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| hakab |
Posted on 04-08-2008 00:16
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99 dot will kill him. |
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 04-08-2008 00:19
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In previous PCM's 99% dot would be not too bad. But in this PCM it is suicide because the starting and average % has been lowered from 65% to 50% so working at 99% in this years PCM actually equates to 114% work rate in previous PCM's 
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 04-08-2008 00:32
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Lechia, I have noticed and tried the same technique for the mountains and agree with you regarding the sprints. I am excellent at finishing second or third in the sprint but I can not WIN. Even if I have a big lead out train. I am terrible in the mountains. If I get separation on the field it is not much, maybe 20" at most. Then they start attacking and I can not catch them because my yellow and red bar are empty. I even have trouble hanging with them when I counterattack. I will keep trying different techniques but if someone finds something that works, please post it here. |
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| hakab |
Posted on 04-08-2008 00:40
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You can't use the same effort level in PCM 08 as in 07.
And you MUST have something in your yellow bar, it is very important. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 04-08-2008 08:33
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hakab wrote:
You can't use the same effort level in PCM 08 as in 07.
Exactly. the percentage in this PCM corresponds to a bigger percentage in last year's PCM. this is so that 99% = attack (without the acceleration)
hakab wrote:
And you MUST have something in your yellow bar, it is very important.
If the yellow bar empties, it's like hitting a wall, your rider will be completely blown. little five year old girls with hair locks and pink dresses will outperform him.
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| ruben |
Posted on 04-08-2008 09:58
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All true, and the key to winning with lesser riders is... having patience, and a lot of it too.
A lot of favourites WILL make you nervous with multiple attacks, but try to keep riding at own effort as long as possible, and don't try to attack till at least the final 4/3km of a mountain. And you need to keep yellow for the sprint, otherwise you'll sprint backwards.
Also, mountainstages that finish downhill rule! Why? Most of the time the 'lead group' doesn't get far away from the peloton. Then you can attack downhill to reach that group (doesn't take much energy attacking downhill), then rest a bit, and attack again, and win easily... |
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| rontgen |
Posted on 04-08-2008 10:20
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Great input, will test these tactics out tonight as I have two mountain stages coming up in my career. |
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| hakab |
Posted on 04-08-2008 16:04
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issoisso wrote:
hakab wrote:
And you MUST have something in your yellow bar, it is very important.
If the yellow bar empties, it's like hitting a wall, your rider will be completely blown. little five year old girls with hair locks and pink dresses will outperform him.
Lol |
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| EBH |
Posted on 04-08-2008 16:28
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If you are running out of yellow in the last km, is it better not to sprint? |
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| hakab |
Posted on 04-08-2008 16:29
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EBH wrote:
If you are running out of yellow in the last km, is it better not to sprint?
If you are about to run out if yellow, slow down |
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| jacknic |
Posted on 20-08-2008 15:55
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I have a related question: How do you keep a guys wheel when you have broken away? My rider always seems to loose the riders in front of him and sail back to the peloton. Even if he is better and in better shape than the riders in front of him. I don't get it!
Do I have to set his effort at excactly the same as the AI riders? |
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| awal3207 |
Posted on 21-08-2008 11:59
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i find that you have to set the follow button on a higher level as to not lose them or in order to slowly catch up if they break away. Lets say you have your effort on 50 and have chosen to follow rather than relay. Your rider will firstly follow the last man who may in fact drop off and when your doing x8 this can happen quickly. If find that if i follow and set the effort higher (65+) the rider will follow anyone who is putting in that kind of effort if they speed up the break. The easy way to tell how fast you should set it is by relaying, if your effort meter is too low you will drop back, too high you will move straight to the front, about right you will slot in. If your not happy with this method just relay and hit follow when you move to position 2. |
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