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Tour de l'Avenir Discussion
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 24-07-2019 07:31
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The Tour de l'Avenir is upon us once again and it brings a chance for the next generation of riders to strut their stuff in a peloton void of the experienced professionals. This is not to say that some of the riders on the startlist are not already experienced themselves!
The profile of this season's race starts off with a Prologue through the streets of Liege. We then head west and then southward, as the sprinters put their speed to the test in stages 2 and 3. We start stage 4 in Germany and go back to Belgium and the famous hills of Liege, the same ones used to host the fourth Monument every year. It's time for some harder hills, as we finish stage 5 up the slopes of La Planche. The climbing gets harder, as the riders tackle the high mountains on route from Pontcharra to La Chambre. The stage ends in a long downhill, which will test that particular skillset of the riders. Stage 7 is time for recuperation, and a final chance for the surviving sprinters to take another stage win. We ride from Ville-Morgon to Bourg-en-Bresse for a 52 km ITT on the penultimate stage, which is sure to shake up the GC. We end the race going up the challenging slopes of the Morzine, with three back to back climbs leading to the mountain top finish.
This race should have something for everyone. Let's see who the competitors are...
| Name | MON | HIL | TT | STA | RES | REC | ACC | DH |  Ranaweera | 76 | 72 | 72 | 73 | 74 | 72 | 65 | 69 |  Oomen | 75 | 72 | 70 | 74 | 73 | 73 | 67 | 67 | | Dulanjana | 72 | 71 | 72 | 74 | 70 | 75 | 61 | 75 |  Gidich | 72 | 73 | 73 | 74 | 74 | 69 | 70 | 67 |  Eg | 73 | 69 | 71 | 73 | 71 | 71 | 67 | 65 |  Padun | 75 | 72 | 64 | 70 | 72 | 72 | 71 | 69 | | Budyak | 72 | 74 | 68 | 69 | 64 | 71 | 65 | 74 |  Fabbro | 73 | 70 | 66 | 69 | 70 | 70 | 69 | 69 |  Novak | 72 | 70 | 65 | 71 | 72 | 71 | 70 | 72 |  Power | 73 | 68 | 63 | 74 | 73 | 75 | 61 | 65 |
Ayubowan have brought a two-pronged attack of Ranaweera and Dulanjana to challenge for the overall GC win. While Ranaweera is made for GC challenges, Dulanjana will be looking to be consistent throughout, and take advantage of his downhill skills on stage 6 and his energy stats.
Sam Oomen looks to be the strongest challenger to break the Ayubowan domination attempt. Nearly identical skills to Ranaweera on the slopes with a slight disadvantage against the clock, Oomen will need to ride a smart race and pick his moments perfectly.
Mark Padun, while being a strong climber, lacks the skill to match the competition against the clock, and is likely to lose a lot of time in the ITT.
Gidich, Eg, Fabbro, Novak and Power are the other main challengers for the win. Eg makes up for weaker ability on hills with a better TT than the rest. Power is the only one among them to have weaknesses in both shorter climbs as well as in TTs.
Budyak is the best puncher in the list of favourites and will be looking at stages 4 and 5 to lay the foundation for his GC challenge.
| Name | TT |  Van Niekerk | 74 | | Gidich | 73 |  Cavagna | 73 |  Wirtgen | 73 | | Ganna | 73 |  Maccagli | 73 | | Ranaweera | 72 | | Dulanjana | 72 | | Per | 72 | | Scotson | 72 |
Morne Van Niekerk starts as the top favourite for the ITT on stage 8. Gidich is the best of the GC contenders, with Ranaweera and Dulanjana no slouch either.
| Name | HIL | ACC | | Budyak | 74 | 65 | | Gidich | 73 | 70 | | Cavagna | 73 | 71 |  Kanerva | 73 | 71 | | Ranaweera | 72 | 65 | | Oomen | 72 | 67 | | Padun | 72 | 71 |  Schlegel | 72 | 71 | | De Plus | 72 | 68 | | Van Niekerk | 72 | 70 |  Ghani | 72 | 61 |  Trakhov | 72 | 68 | | Kanepejs | 72 | 68 |  Jung | 72 | 67 |
Budyak is the best puncher in the field. Along with Gidich, he'll be hoping to make the hill stages selective so as to gain valuable time over his rivals.
Ranaweera and Oomen are quite good on the hills too, but lack the powerful that may prevent them from dropping their rivals.
| Name | SPR | ACC | | Kemboi | 77 | 78 | | Hsu | 74 | 75 |  Pedersen | 73 | 74 |  Liu | 73 | 74 |  Major | 73 | 74 | | Kalaba | 73 | 73 | | Minali | 73 | 73 | | Cavagna | 73 | 71 | | Kuroeda | 72 | 78 | | Zhao | 72 | 77 | | Baterdene | 72 | 73 |  Paez | 72 | 72 | | Looij | 72 | 71 |  Barta | 72 | 66 |
Kemboi is head and shoulders above anyone else in the field of sprinters. Having won two stages in last year's race, he's back and will be chomping at the bit to win some more.
Hsu is the next best thing, with Pedersen, Liu, Major, Kalaba and Minali very similar riders. Minali's disadvantage lies on the inclines, so he may have some trouble on the bumpy stage 3.
Kuroeda and Zhao are the fastest off the blocks, and will look to use that to gain an advantage over their rivals when the sprint starts.
| Name | PRL | | Kemboi | 79 | | Ganna | 75 | | Zhao | 74 | | Scotson | 74 | | Cavagna | 73 | | Oka | 73 | | van der Poel | 73 | | Maccagli | 73 | | Oomen | 73 | | Gidich | 73 | | Wirtgen | 73 | | Dulanjana | 73 | | Van Niekerk | 73 |
Once again Kemboi is out ahead on his own in this category. He won the Prologue last year and will be looking to make it back to back wins.
Ganna is the nearest challenger with Puma also having Cavagna as a challenger.
Zhao and Scotson will definitely be targeting a stage podium here.
Oomen, Gidich and Dulanjana are the best of the GC riders.
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SAP | | Aasvold | Kristian | Valio - DeLaval | | Hänninen | Aleksi | Valio - DeLaval | | Helme | Sasu | Valio - DeLaval | | Kanerva | Joni | Valio - DeLaval | | Nych | Artem | Valio - DeLaval | | Tiller | Rasmus | Valio - DeLaval | | Vainionpää | Oskari | Valio - DeLaval | | Aguirre | Hernan Ricardo | Xero Racing p/b Octagon | | Areruya | Joseph | Xero Racing p/b Octagon | | Arifin | Muhammad Imam | Xero Racing p/b Octagon | | Bokeloh | Jonas | Xero Racing p/b Octagon | | Cherkasov | Nicolay | Xero Racing p/b Octagon | | Minali | Riccardo | Xero Racing p/b Octagon | | Schleck | Jordan | Xero Racing p/b Octagon | | Van Niekerk | Morne | Xero Racing p/b Octagon |
Disclaimer: The Tour de l'Avenir has been played in PCM 18 as a live test event for the switch of games that is currently being considered. The main jerseys of the teams have been converted to PCM 18 format, but the NCs and the equipment have not. Same is the case with other miscellaneous graphics paraphernalia that usually accompanies the MG.
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| roturn |
Posted on 24-07-2019 07:36
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Van der Poel only on the prologue list but I hope the game will also make him lead on the hilly sprint stages, which should suit him a bit. Surely should be stronger than Trakhov.
For GC Carboni with outside chances on a top10 maybe or top15.
GC fight between Oomen, Rranawera and Padun could be exciting while sprints/prologues are boring with Kemboi being a level ahead of the rest. |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 24-07-2019 09:23
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Oof, think I missed Ranaweera when I first looked at the startlist. It will be hard for Oomen to beat him.
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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 24-07-2019 09:34
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Guess I'll root for Ayubowan, Delvaux and Zalgiris! Major most likely to get some air time this race in the sprints.
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 24-07-2019 09:40
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Hoping for a big race for the joint Netia-Philips-Xero squads, though it seems our best stage hope is from none of those teams, go Morne on stage 8! Nibali and Pedersen should both be in amongst it for the wins if we don’t count Kemboi, whilst especially the “Xero” squad is built for the amazing climbing depth, KOM/stage chasing and teams classification, with Areruya maybe in it for a top 10 if he races well. Not the top quality guys but really excited by our two squads, but even more so to see PCM18 in action!
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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 24-07-2019 09:58
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Let's see how this works on PCM18. Not much hopes from my riders, some breakaway would be fine, the hilly stage with too many candidates slightly better than Rodriguez and Dunbar, so nothing to happen there i'm afraid
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| ember |
Posted on 24-07-2019 10:06
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Should be a fun race, wide open as well.
I've got to cheer for Oomen, hopefully Amezawa can do at least something for him. Ayubowan! has all kind of terrain covered with Kemboi and their GC guys. Will be interesting to see if they're also strong enough to take responsibility and make it predictable stages, or if we'll see some breakaway success.
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| redordead |
Posted on 24-07-2019 10:17
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Hoping for some "typical" Poljanec breakaway rides 
"I am a cyclist, I may not be the best, but that is what I strive to be. I may never get there, but I will never quit trying." - Tadej Pogačar
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 24-07-2019 11:08
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My bet is on Yevgeniy Gidich. Hoping for a Top5 by Novak and a couple of stage wins for Isostar-Swisslion
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| Jakstar22 |
Posted on 24-07-2019 11:18
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Baterdene isn't a bad sprinter here...COuld get a couple of top 10s maybe..
Really looking forward to seeing how all the young boys go!!
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 24-07-2019 13:43
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For the first time I have someone, who can actually be expected to do something here so really looking forward to seeing Joni on the hills!
Otherwise hoping for as many breaks as possible.
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Posted on 24-07-2019 13:56
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Helping out the Puma riders is the goal, would be nice to see Goldstein/Bonnamour in a break, also really pleased seeing PCM18 being tested here, great idea and it should give a clearer picture over the whole debate.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 24-07-2019 14:42
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Very proud to have a full team of guys here for the first time! Many of them probably won't end up maxing with me if I relegate, but still cool to have so many young riders in Carlsberg colors.
Eg's 1-3 last year put him in a great position to nab a top 10, so that's exciting. He will undoubtedly lose time on the hilly stages, but I'm hoping that he can stay in contention for those minor placings regardless. The team is fully backing him, no other engagements. Let's see how it goes!
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| OlegTinkov |
Posted on 25-07-2019 02:33
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roturn wrote:
Van der Poel … Surely should be stronger than Trakhov.
 you are directeur sportif for our team right? 
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| quadsas |
Posted on 25-07-2019 02:40
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Most of our team are level 1 riders...Kyeng Ho's time will come next year.
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| jph27 |
Posted on 25-07-2019 12:48
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Eh? Even on a -5 day Kemboi is still the 2nd best Prologue rider in the field, if this is the PCM18 future I don't like it... |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 25-07-2019 13:00
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Ah, apparently we've saved all our luck for l'Avenir.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| SotD |
Posted on 25-07-2019 13:10
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Farantakis with a decent showing here, while Fabbro also did relatively good.
Will be very interested to see the next couple of stages - especially Fabbro and van Niekerk is exciting for me to follow
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 25-07-2019 13:27
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jph27 wrote:
Eh? Even on a -5 day Kemboi is still the 2nd best Prologue rider in the field, if this is the PCM18 future I don't like it...
Ah yes compared to the famously predictable PCM15 time trials 
So close for our import van Niekerk, but very cool to grab a day in green regardless!
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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 25-07-2019 13:29
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jph27 wrote:
Eh? Even on a -5 day Kemboi is still the 2nd best Prologue rider in the field, if this is the PCM18 future I don't like it...
You know a -5 daily form isn't reducing all stats by 5 right? Some stats get more affected than others, and prologue is probably the more variable with daily form
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