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| maxime86 |
Posted on 26-02-2014 15:20
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Yes! only 6 american teams and only 3 french teams to fight for riders with
oh and in-n-out should be in Los Angeles
Edited by maxime86 on 26-02-2014 15:24
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| tastasol |
Posted on 26-02-2014 16:24
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Very nice work, Bjartne  But I must point out that Risa belongs in Rogaland, a little bit south of Stavanger( I reckon that you, as my fellow Norwegian, knows what I'm talking about)
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| Scorchio |
Posted on 26-02-2014 17:00
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Wow, love it - great work. Stuck in a boring conference session, so a quick back-up of the envelope assessment of the 2013 rider database around number of riders in the database, and their continental origin that is interesting to marry up with your map and team density vs. rider density(would like to break down into further average rating bands, but time is pressing right now!). Hope it makes some sense.
| >80 | 76-80 | 72-76 | 68-72 | 64-68 | <64 | Total | Total as % | | AF | 0 | 1 | 14 | 62 | 70 | 22 | 169 | 4.40 | | AS | 0 | 2 | 19 | 91 | 112 | 38 | 262 | 6.82 | | CA | 0 | 1 | 5 | 30 | 36 | 18 | 90 | 2.34 | | EU | 18 | 104 | 410 | 845 | 977 | 402 | 2756 | 71.70 | | NA | 0 | 6 | 18 | 53 | 66 | 29 | 172 | 4.47 | | OC | 1 | 6 | 24 | 57 | 39 | 21 | 148 | 3.85 | | SA | 0 | 7 | 40 | 91 | 71 | 38 | 247 | 6.43 | | Total | 19 | 127 | 530 | 1229 | 1371 | 568 | 3844 | 100 | | Total as % | 0.49 | 3.30 | 13.79 | 31.97 | 35.67 | 14.78 | 100.00 | |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 26-02-2014 18:05
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Actually, with a small detour I ran past my future team HQ during my afternoon jog. I love the location, endless possibilities 
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 26-02-2014 18:58
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I guess if you are moving headquarters around then Santander's headquarters should be in Santander
 [url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
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| OlegTinkov |
Posted on 26-02-2014 19:54
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and Tinkoff; Saint Petersburg, Russia.
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| jph27 |
Posted on 26-02-2014 20:03
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La Vie Claire are based in Hambantota, Sri Lanka. Great work by the way  |
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 26-02-2014 21:52
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I really like this, great work! Alpina are based in Cali btw (city in SW Colombia not abbreviated form of the US state) if you want some detailed info.
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| fintas |
Posted on 26-02-2014 22:00
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Great work but my HQ is in Paços de Ferreira, near Porto
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 26-02-2014 22:17
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Nice idea Bjartne. With this recent influx of American and British teams it's nice to get the whole picture.
Scorchio wrote:
Wow, love it - great work. Stuck in a boring conference session, so a quick back-up of the envelope assessment of the 2013 rider database around number of riders in the database, and their continental origin that is interesting to marry up with your map and team density vs. rider density(would like to break down into further average rating bands, but time is pressing right now!). Hope it makes some sense.
| >80 | 76-80 | 72-76 | 68-72 | 64-68 | <64 | Total | Total as % | | AF | 0 | 1 | 14 | 62 | 70 | 22 | 169 | 4.40 | | AS | 0 | 2 | 19 | 91 | 112 | 38 | 262 | 6.82 | | CA | 0 | 1 | 5 | 30 | 36 | 18 | 90 | 2.34 | | EU | 18 | 104 | 410 | 845 | 977 | 402 | 2756 | 71.70 | | NA | 0 | 6 | 18 | 53 | 66 | 29 | 172 | 4.47 | | OC | 1 | 6 | 24 | 57 | 39 | 21 | 148 | 3.85 | | SA | 0 | 7 | 40 | 91 | 71 | 38 | 247 | 6.43 | | Total | 19 | 127 | 530 | 1229 | 1371 | 568 | 3844 | 100 | | Total as % | 0.49 | 3.30 | 13.79 | 31.97 | 35.67 | 14.78 | 100.00 | |
Nice job as well, Scorchio. This kind of post makes us more confident we made the right choice in choosing new managers like you.
So after all Europe still largely dominates the Man-Game scene, there's no reason to freak out about having a regional focus everyone  Anyway don't worry, SN always takes care of balancing the db, in order to properly 'feed' every region.
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| Roman |
Posted on 26-02-2014 23:36
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When I wrote earlier today I have an idea, Scorchio had almost the same one, well done.
Anyway, I tryied to look after some similar data, but I thought it would be interesting to do this about countries and mainly with the reason to try to find out which countries have too much teams and are overcrowded and undercrowded or which are totally missing a team and would be worth to have some. I don't know if it will be understandable for anyone than me, but I at least tried... Everything I was looking for was some statistical info, it really isn't to mean any offense against anybody.
There is the Excel file I used to do some small calculations. Everthing is based on a hypothesis that every team which has a primary nationality has 10 useful riders of that nationality in the team and 5 useful riders with secondary nationality... https://www.mediaf...atios.xlsx
Some interesting info:
- The most overcrowded notable country is by far the USA. Great Britain and Germany should have too much teams in a theory as well. From smaller countries, data are saying we are having too much focus on Ireland, Canada, Venezeuela and Austria.
- The most undercrowded notable country is by far Russia, with France and Italy following. A really solid ratio has Belgium, Colombia, Spain, Australia and Netherlands as well. For example, Russia, could in theory have enough quality riders to have 3 good Russian teams with mainly Russian riders.
- Countries which really deserve to have a team with primary nationality are Poland and Slovenia, they currently have none. Lithuania, Estonia, Malaysia and Argentina could support their 'own' team quite easily as well.
- San Marino, Kenya, Taiwan, Finland, Thailand, Serbia, UAE, Eritrea and Bulgaria are countries which currently doesn't have enough riders to be able to provide 'full service' for their current teams and to be competitive, teams from these countries need riders from other countries as well.
- Around 60% (OVR 69-) of riders I clasified as riders not really worthwile to signing, as they are not good enough and around 23% (OVR 65-) of riders are looking like they are totally useless for anything.
- Almost 5% of riders from DB could be considered as stars. (OVR 75+), with Europe having more than 5 times more stars than other continents all together.
- There are around 1560 useful riders in DB (OVR 69+) which is exactly 20.53 useful riders per team, which is a number high enough to provide every team with 'useful riders', and exactly 90 countries in Man-Game have at least one rider worth signing.
- There are 2 times more North American teams than we are having North American riders (11.6% vs 6.1%), in other continents it is vice versa with exception of Asian teams, but they are only slightly over the limit.
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- "Useful riders" are riders which should be at least good domestiques.
- That term isn't 100% correct as some riders which are 69+ in OVR aren't worth to sign, but as some talents which has so far 69- OVR are worth to sign, everything should be +- statistically ok, at least for bigger than the smallest countries.
- "Useful ratio" = ideal 60, it is in percentages... what does that mean? As I looked around in DB, around 60% of riders of any nationality are riding for a team which is based in their country and any higher percentage is abnormally hard to reach. In other words, if there are at least 14 useful riders, in theory, it is worth to have a team from that country in the Man-Game.
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| 547984 |
Posted on 26-02-2014 23:47
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That's some really nice stats, Roman! Nice work
Man, I should've thought about going Russian. Shocked that no one else thought of that
baseballlover312, 06-03-14 : "Nuke Moscow...Don't worry Russia, we've got plenty of love to go around your cities"
Sarah Palin, 08-03-14 (CPAC, on Russian aggression) : "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke"
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 26-02-2014 23:54
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Yeh, Russia is a massive gap in the market for sure. Tinkoff can't buy all of them!
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| fintas |
Posted on 26-02-2014 23:56
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I did not like the data types for Germany but also as a secondary nation is just no big deal
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| Bjartne |
Posted on 27-02-2014 00:46
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So, I have done some updating, both corrected the teams of those writing here, and also tried to do at least one additional team in the same area. Well, Barca and Vueling is basically neighbours, while Prio-Porto's and Adira-Kärcher's HQs are also not far from being located within the same city.
@tastasol: Well, I couldn't find Risa, but located the team HQ in Bryne, hope that work's out well, should have a lot of training roads in that area
@Ollfardh: That's awesome mate! Found your location now, should suit you well, right along the river banks and maybe the biggest field in whole Lier to build your HQ
@jph27: Really? You couldn't find a smaller village, could you?
@Schorchio/Roman: FANTASTIC! I was actually on my way doing the same today, but you zabel'd me. It is really, really interresting, espescially the russian part. And according to our map here, it also shows that a great part of Eastern-Europe also is uncovered, giving even more possibilities to build a strong russian team, with also some influence from Eastern-Europe. As for Taiwan, I'm glad you found at least 1 (one!) that wasn't totally useless
Edited by Bjartne on 27-02-2014 00:46
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 27-02-2014 00:49
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@scorchio/Roman: Bear in mind that San Marino is only where our HQ is based and that the team remains Swiss Malaysian focussed so for your 2 comparisons it might be better to use that for us instead.
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| Bjartne |
Posted on 27-02-2014 05:49
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Okay, so I did another map now, here it is: https://multiplottr.com/?map_id=47592&47592&
It is based on the riders from the 2013 DB, and I have plotted the 50 best riders from each category down to their respective nation.
Red = Climbers
Yellow = Puncheurs
Green = Sprinters
Black = TimeTrialists
Blue = Cobblers
This is the data I got from it:
| Top 50 sprinters by continent: | | Europe: | 35 | | Oceania: | 6 | | South-America: | 4 | | North-America: | 4 | | Africa: | 1 | | Asia: | 0 | | Top 3 sprinter nations: |  Belgium | 7 |  Germany | 6 |  Italy | 6 | | Top 50 climbers by continent: | | Europe: | 37 | | South-America: | 9 | | North-America: | 3 | | Asia: | 1 | | Oceania: | 0 | | Africa: | 0 | | Top 3 climber nations: |  Spain | 10 |  Colombia | 6 | | Italy | 5 | | Top 50 cobblers by continent: | | Europe: | 47 | | North-America: | 1 | | Oceania: | 1 | | Africa: | 1 | | Asia: | 0 | | South-America: | 0 | | Top 3 cobbler nations: | | Belgium | 18 |  France | 7 |  Netherlands | 4 | | Top 50 TT'ers by continent: | | Europe: | 41 | | Oceania: | 5 | | North-America: | 3 | | South-America: | 1 | | Africa: | 0 | | Asia: | 0 | | Top 3 TT'er nations: | | Netherlands | 9 | | Germany | 6 |  Australia | 4 | | Top 50 Puncheurs by continent: | | Europe: | 48 | | North-America: | 2 | | Africa: | 1 | | Oceania: | 0 | | South-America: | 0 | | Asia: | 0 | | Top 3 Puncheur nations: | | Italy | 11 | | Spain | 5 | | Belgium | 5 |
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| Overall results: | | Top 250 riders by continent: | | Europe: | 208 | | South-America: | 14 | | North-America: | 13 | | Oceania: | 12 | | Africa: | 3 | | Asia: | 1 | | Top 10 Man-Game nations: | | Belgium***** | 33 | | Italy*** | 27 | | Germany***** | 22 | | Netherlands**** | 20 | | Spain***** | 19 | | France*** | 18 |  Great Britain*** | 15 |  Russia* | 10 | | Australia** | 9 | | Colombia** | 9 |
* Number of teams as primary nation
As mentioned before, both Russia and Italy has plenty of potential for new teams. It also seems okay to have two Colombian and two Australian teams this season, as there are is a huge number of very good riders + some decent domestiques from those nations.
We can see that the map is quite similar to the previous map where we looked at man-game HQ's. We said that Benelux was crowded, but certainly not overcrowded. Because the majority of good riders also comes from the Benelux-Area. Very cool to see the same cluster with dots on these maps. The last riders I had to zoom in quite a bit to find a spot for more Belgium riders in their tiny country
Also interesting to see Africa and Asia lack superstars. Will be fun to check this out again in a couple of seasons to see how those continents have developed. There are certainly things happening on that front I believe.
Other things: Australia are a decent place for sprinters and Time-Trialers, Colombia and Venezuela is a climbers paradice, and northern europe are flooded with cobblers. We all knew it, but cool to see it graphically.
Surprised to see the lack of top riders from Poland and Czech Republic, but Slovenia is very well represented. Shame that Pivovarno Lasko withdrawed from the game, as this is a very interresting region. Well, take a look at the map for your selves, a big kudos if you cared to read to this point
Note: Some riders are mentioned more than one time due to being amongst the top 50 in several categories. One of the best examples is Estonia and Boygue's Rein Taaramäe.
Edited by Bjartne on 27-02-2014 06:21
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| Heine |
Posted on 27-02-2014 06:02
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Really nice stats guys, great work. Though a little sad to see that my team focuses on 2 of the over-crowded nations... It wasn't like that when I changed nationality :-p
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 27-02-2014 06:30
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OlegTinkov wrote:
and Tinkoff; Saint Petersburg, Russia.
Lovely city, been there once. Rightfully called the Paris of the East. Are you actually from that area? (sorry if this is too personal).
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 27-02-2014 06:34
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Yeh, Russia is a massive gap in the market for sure. Tinkoff can't buy all of them!
I think everyone is in fear from Oleg. 
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