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Copenhagen-Malmo TTT Discussion
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Copenhagen-Malmo TTT


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YearWinner
2019Team Tinkoff
2018Gazelle
2017Jayco - Cobra9
2016Tinkoff Sport Academy
2015Oz Cycling Project
2014Oz Cycling Project
2013Project 1t4i
2012Jack Wolfskin
2011 (As Eindhoven TTT)Jack Wolfskin
2010 (As Eindhoven TTT)Wikipedia
2009 (As Eindhoven TTT)Eurosport
2008 (As Eindhoven TTT)Accumalux
2007 (As Eindhoven TTT)Saunier Duval - Prodir


A traditional fixture on the ProTour calendar is a TTT event. It will be the ninth edition as Copenhagen-Malmo, with the previous incarnation Eindhoven TTT being held five times meaning it is one of the few events held ever since the first season. Team Tinkoff took their second win last time out, after winning in 2016 as well. Record holders are the previous incarnations of Bennelong (Jayco/Oz) and eBuddy (1t4i/Jack Wolfskin), both winning three times. Some teams will like this race very much, others which they were allowed to stay home. They aren't, every ProTour team has to field a team, whether they like it or not.

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The start is in the Danish capital of Copenhagen, the finish in the third-largest city in Sweden: Malmö. If you paid attention during geography you know Denmark and Sweden are separated by Öresund strait. Going around the Baltic sea through Germany, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Russia and Finland would make this race nearly 5000 kilometers long. Luckily, they build the Öresund Bridge connecting the two cities, making the trip less than 60 kilometer. The only noticeable bit of elevation is going on and off the bridge, which will result in some spectacular images.

Startlist

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TeamTop8Top5Top3Top1Best rider
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gen.png Generali76,677,277,778Dennis
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/tti.png Team Tinkoff - La Datcha76,578,879,380Yatsevich
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/ubs.png Team UBS76,477,478,380Dillier
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/grm.png Grieg-Maersk76,177,678,782Würtz
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/pum.png Team Puma - SAP7677,27880Sütterlin
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/kng.png King Power75,577,67979Brändle
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/rak.png Rakuten Pro Cycling75,17676,377Cheung
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/yor.png cycleYorkshire74,978,88081Coppel
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/eav.png EA Vesuvio74,376,277,378Wirtgen
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gzl.png Gazelle74,375,67676Kangert
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/bnm.png Bennelong - Mitchelton73,875,67677O'Shea
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/mos.png Moser - Sygic73,876,477,379Hepburn
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/fes.png Festina - OAKA73,475,477,381Vlatos
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/vlv.png Volvo acc. by Spotify73,377,27879Haugard
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/afk.png Air France - KLM7376,27879Kwok
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/ino.png Indosat Ooredoo72,375,67881Keizer
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/isa.png ISA - Hexacta72,372,873,375Sepulveda
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/aeg.png Aegon - Peroni72,173,274,377Frison
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/akm.png Aker - MOT70,472,473,374Anderberg
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/ebd.png eBuddy6870,67375Kaczmarek
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/iso.png Isostar - Specialized65,968,671,775Daniel
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/p4e.png Swisslion Cycling Team65,167,469,373Groselj
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/p4e.png Team Popo4Ever p/b Nemiroff64,870,67678Golovash
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/evo.png Evonik - ELKO63,465,466,768Blythe


Looking at the quality of all riders, three teams come out on top though with different philosophies: Generali, Tinkoff and UBS.

pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gen.png Generali does not have a standout time trial star but all participants are good. They say the team is as strong as its weakest link, and Generali has the strongest weakest link of all squads.

Defending champions pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/tti.png Tinkoff look to take their third victory. pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/tti.png Yatsevich, pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/tti.png Malori, pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/tti.png Vorobev and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/tti.png Dal Col is a strong quartet, with the other four in the squad not particularly bad either.

pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/ubs.png UBS is a mixture of the two. A strong top end with pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/ubs.png Dillier, complemented by seven riders who know their way around time trials.

pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/grm.png Grieg has arguably the best time trialist in the world at the moment: pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/grm.png Würtz. While the rest of the squad is not bad in any stretch of the imagination, it is just a tad below the previous teams. Podium contenders for sure, and perhaps the Danish crowd can cheer them to more.

pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/pum.png Puma won the most recent team time trial in the ProTour, the opening stage of the Tour of Northern Europe. We can't fully compare the two as ToNE contained cobblestones, but it is a sign the team is strong in team time trials in general.

pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/kng.png King Power has three strong time trialists in pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/kng.png Brändle, pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/kng.png Viviani and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/kng.png Van Winden. They will do great if the rest of the team can keep up, but if they can't they are in trouble.

pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/rak.png Rakuten goes for the Generali approach by having eight strong riders without one standing out above the rest. However, they are not as qualified as their Italian counterpart. They might look good on paper, but the road will decide their fate.

If you could only select five riders, pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/yor.png cycleYorkshire would be the outright favorite. The fifth rider over the line does indeed count, but the other three riders can be important for the early parts of the race. Leaving them behind at the start is probably not a viable strategy.

Some former winners will likely not be on the top again. pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/eav.png Vesuvio, pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gzl.png Gazelle and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/bnm.png Bennelong have squads capable of scoring a top ten but the win will be a surprise. If pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/ebd.png eBuddy wins their fourth I'll jump in the Öresund.

Aside Grieg, further teams with local support are pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/vlv.png Volvo and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/akm.png Aker. The Swedish-Norwegian outfit has five strong time trialists, but the other three might need to be pushed. The Norwegian-Danish outfit is not a contender for the top positions but also not one for the bottom positions.

The midfield is very close together with form on the day itself being a major factor which cannot be considered here. pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/mos.png Moser and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/afk.png Air France both have strong teams capable of challenging for a top five, but they could also finish fifteenth.

pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/fes.png Festina and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/ino.png Indosat finished bottom two in the last edition and have taken measures to avoid further humiliation. Some signings over the winter mean they can aim for a higher place in the rankings.

PCT Champions pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/isa.png ISA brings their eight best time trialists but it will not be enough to fear the established teams. pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/aeg.png Aegon finishes seventh last time out but it will be difficult to get to a top ten this time around, as they sold their top time trialists and didn't bring in the needed replacement.

The invited ProContinental teams are pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/p4e.png Swisslion and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/p4e.png Popo4Ever. Safe to say the ProTour teams won't be fearing them, as both bring squads of low quality due to race clashes. It is what it is.

Together with the aforementioned two, pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/iso.png Isostar and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/evo.png Evonik will battle for the wooden spoon. In the case of Isostar, there is not much better available except Phinney who is understandably left out, while Evonik not having a time trialist in their full squad at all and just selecting some random riders. They were robbed of last place by Indosat last season, and want their righteous last place back.
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Bikex
Let's see Top 5 is definitely possible. Unfortunately couldn't bring Leung due to the Volta prologue, but on the other hand Reis had two race days left so will do his debut for us in this race

Thanks for the informative preview! Smile
 
ember
Aside Grieg, further teams with local support are pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/vlv.png Volvo and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/akm.png Aker. The Swedish-Norwegian outfit has five strong time trialists, but the other three might need to be pushed. The Norwegian-Danish outfit is not a contender for the top positions but also not one for the bottom positions.

This surely is the nicest thing that has ever been said about our team for a traditional TTT (not taking our ToNE win a couple of years ago into consideration). Thank you, Marcovdw! Pfft

Definitely cheering for Grieg, but judging by the very strong top 5 guys for Tinkoff, the Russians must be the pre-race favourite, I think. Though, this should be tense. Looking at the power ranking, I'd say any team from Generali to King Power can win this.
 
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Marcovdw wrote:

pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/grm.png Grieg has arguably the best time trialist in the world at the moment: pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/grm.png Würtz. While the rest of the squad is not bad in any stretch of the imagination, it is just a tad below the previous teams. Podium contenders for sure, and perhaps the Danish crowd can cheer them to more.


Think Phinney would disagree (though I can see him being in an other category all together), but I certainly look forward to see if he can lift the team to a podium place here. Think we're still missing a few pieces to be able to fight for the win, but hopefully a good performance. Top five should be a realistic target, but hoping for more. We haven't done great here previously, so hoping for better luck this time.
 
valverde321
2nd on the startlist is both extremely odd to me, and somewhat encouraging. I have nothing more than minor hopes for this race, but based on avg and that, I may be undervaluing us here.
 
SportingNonsense
Building an interest back up in this race after the early Eindhoven successes, with never having been better than 8th on the Swedish finish line.

Will be aiming higher in future seasons, most likely, and a return to the Top 10 this year would be a good start.

valverde321 wrote:
2nd on the startlist is both extremely odd to me, and somewhat encouraging. I have nothing more than minor hopes for this race, but based on avg and that, I may be undervaluing us here.


I really wouldn't place any value in being listed second, when you consider who are listed first Pfft
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SportingNonsense wrote:
I really wouldn't place any value in being listed second, when you consider who are listed first Pfft


Ahahahahahahahahahaha :lol:
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In a TTT one-day race, bibs are given like it was a flat classic, that's why Blythe has #1 :lol:
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cio93
We bring an improved squad from our third place last season, which means quite high expectations for this edition.

Obviously, Top 8 is the ranking that looks the best for us, with quite a few teams having a stronger top end present here (thanks for that in-depth preview btw!).
This means it'll be vital for us that our core of five 75-76tt riders provides the team with a good base tempo and that Vasyliv at 72tt can be of sufficient use over the course of the race to make the difference against teams that have to drag along a couple of riders.

Unlike many teams, our lineup of the strongest TTers also include some decent climbers with Vasyliv, Stüssi and Bevin, so there's a decent, albeit random chance that we might use the bridge crossing to our advantage and either gain some seconds there or at least lose less energy.


Anything from p4 to p8 looks reasonable to expect, which would be good points.
I'd be happy to be surprised another time though!
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AbhishekLFC
Evonik for the win because PCM says so Cool
 
redordead
We're just here because the MGUCI told us to come Pfft

Looks like we're racing together with Team Popo4Ever. I always wanted to see how a 16 man TTT train looked like :lol:

Unfortunetely looks like Evonik has the inside track for that last place Pfft

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Fabianski
Generali bring a really good setup - especially if the uphill part of the bridge should have an impact, as pretty much all of their TTers can handle some hills as well.
I'll obviously be rooting for UBS once again, like in every PT race Pfft Would be great to see them take this one, or at least a podium!
 
SotD
I would like a top 10 here, but I have no clue if that is realistic. I'm not a number cracker in terms of TTT's, so I just brought whoever felt right Smile
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roturn
Last year could have attacked the podium, got at least something.
This year every point is bonus.

So let`s avoid the bottom 5 or so.
 
DubbelDekker
We can only do well if all the pure TT riders choke on that bridge.
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matt17br
I don't expect a win here based on last year's showing, but I'd be disappointed if we were to underperform once again. This is maybe not the kind of TTT I built my setup for, I'd need the bridge to be somewhat longer and steeper for it. Several strong teams here, but no outright tip top favourite. Thanks for the preview Marco!
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Fabianski wrote:
Generali bring a really good setup - especially if the uphill part of the bridge should have an impact, as pretty much all of their TTers can handle some hills as well.


Wow, I think you just helped me realize something!!

I think the general assumption, unproven but logical, is that in any sort of TT, we've sadly reduced the impact of the hill stat to 0 with the mo/hil change since no individual TT of a significant length is ridden over 84 effort at any stage.

However, TTTs usually are ridden at 99 effort throughout, right?
This should mean that all TTs exclusively use the mountain stat for inclines, but TTTs exclusively use the hill stat??
 
valverde321
cio93 wrote:
Fabianski wrote:
Generali bring a really good setup - especially if the uphill part of the bridge should have an impact, as pretty much all of their TTers can handle some hills as well.


Wow, I think you just helped me realize something!!

I think the general assumption, unproven but logical, is that in any sort of TT, we've sadly reduced the impact of the hill stat to 0 with the mo/hil change since no individual TT of a significant length is ridden over 84 effort at any stage.

However, TTTs usually are ridden at 99 effort throughout, right?
This should mean that all TTs exclusively use the mountain stat for inclines, but TTTs exclusively use the hill stat??


I'd say this is definitely correct, although I haven't tested it. Of course, thats the front rider. The riders further back in the train may be using less effort, and actually do use the MO stat in that case.
 
Marcovdw
Bonus content:

I have three screenshots for every team (one for each section) but some where cut from the final report. If you want exclusive content for your HQ post, you can access all your team's screenshots at the following links, where XXX is your team abbreviation.


https://pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Reports/PT/CopenhagenMalmo/XXX1.jpg
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https://pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Reports/PT/CopenhagenMalmo/XXX3.jpg


Also, an overview of how accurate the TopX predictions were. There is no clear best predictor as both Top8 and Top5 have teams they predicted well and some they were quite wrong at.

TeamResultTop8Top5Top3Top1
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/grm.png Grieg-Maersk14341
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/tti.png Team Tinkoff - La Datcha22125
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/pum.png Team Puma - SAP35665
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/yor.png cycleYorkshire48112
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gen.png Generali5161012
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/mos.png Moser - Sygic6119118
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/kng.png King Power76338
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/fes.png Festina - OAKA81316112
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/vlv.png Volvo acc. by Spotify914668
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/afk.png Air France - KLM10151068
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/bnm.png Bennelong - Mitchelton1111131515
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/ubs.png Team UBS123555
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/eav.png EA Vesuvio139101112
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gzl.png Gazelle149131518
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/isa.png ISA - Hexacta1516181919
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/rak.png Rakuten Pro Cycling167121415
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/ino.png Indosat Ooredoo17161362
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/akm.png Aker - MOT1819191922
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/aeg.png Aegon - Peroni1918171815
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/ebd.png eBuddy2020202119
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/p4e.png Team Popo4Ever p/b Nemiroff2123201512
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/p4e.png Swisslion Cycling Team2222232323
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/iso.png Isostar - Specialized2321222219
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/evo.png Evonik - ELKO2424242424


Finally, regarding the MO/HL debate, I see no concrete evidence from this stage. A team like Tinkoff (with weak HL stats) did perform slightly worse compared to a Puma or cycleYorkshire (Coppel) on the second sector, which contained the hill. Only if there was another checkpoint right at the top of the hill we could properly test the influence. I also didn't record who led the teams when riding onto the bridge
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