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Le Tour de France 2016 | Stage 20 | Megève / Morzine-Avoriaz
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 23-07-2016 17:04
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edit: I choose to believe you asked who will win the vuelta
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| knasen |
Posted on 23-07-2016 17:04
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Tour De Boring today. If this continues, Tour De France will not have any viewers left. As usual the Giro and Vuelta have the best racing. 26 days to the Vuelta start.  |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 23-07-2016 17:51
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This tour was just pathetic to be honest. And not because Froome won. Because there was not a single mountain stage where the favorite's action was more significant than the breakaway, except because of organizational mishaps like Ventoux. I mean look at the gaps! Bar Froome putting everyone to death in the time trial, everyone that tried and didn't crash are all within like 3 minutes of each other. It's useless.
Bar Bardet's escape yesterday, which to be real only happened cause of the pacing slowing from Froome's crash, the breakaway won every fricking mountain stage iirc. That's just pathetic.
The Tour continues to devolve and regress to nothingness. Everyone seemed to be both physically and emotionally beaten into submission by the Sky Train's dominance over the last four years.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 23-07-2016 20:10
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So where does this Tour rank with Vuelta 2011, Giro 2012 and Tour 2012? |
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 23-07-2016 21:31
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Did some quick calculations on Excel, so please do correct me if I've made some mistakes as I'm sure I probably have somewhere, but I thought it would be interesting to calculate the time differences on the road between the top 10 across all the mountain stages. I came out with this (GC positions in brackets):
| 1. Froome (1) | 36h27'29'' | | 2. Bardet (2) | + 22'' | | 3. Porte (5) | + 32'' | | 4. Quintana (3) | + 44'' | | 5. Yates (4) | + 49'' | | 6. Meintjes (8) | + 55'' | | 7. Rodríguez (7) | + 58'' | | 8. Kreuziger (10) | + 1'40'' | | 9. Martin (9) | + 2'13'' | | 10. Valverde (6) | + 2'59'' |
So that is a total of 8 (!) stages (Payolle, Luchon, Arcalis, Ventoux, Culoz, Finhaut, St Gervais & Morzine) including 3 HC MTFs and plenty of other difficult climbs along the way and the top 7 riders on that list are separated by under a minute. Not only does it highlight the fact that almost all GC gaps in the race occurred from the TTs and crashes, but also the passiveness, whether intentional or not, of the GC guys.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 23-07-2016 22:14
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Riis123 wrote:
So where does this Tour rank with Vuelta 2011, Giro 2012 and Tour 2012?
To answer my own question, definitely worse than Tour 2012. Way worse Tour 2009, so most definitely the worst Tour I've seen.
I dno about the Vuelta from 2011, that was also a train wreck, so was the Giro 2012. But at least they attack the final 2 kilometres. |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 23-07-2016 22:18
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Stromeon wrote:
Did some quick calculations on Excel, so please do correct me if I've made some mistakes as I'm sure I probably have somewhere, but I thought it would be interesting to calculate the time differences on the road between the top 10 across all the mountain stages. I came out with this (GC positions in brackets):
| 1. Froome (1) | 36h27'29'' | | 2. Bardet (2) | + 22'' | | 3. Porte (5) | + 32'' | | 4. Quintana (3) | + 44'' | | 5. Yates (4) | + 49'' | | 6. Meintjes (8) | + 55'' | | 7. Rodríguez (7) | + 58'' | | 8. Kreuziger (10) | + 1'40'' | | 9. Martin (9) | + 2'13'' | | 10. Valverde (6) | + 2'59'' |
So that is a total of 8 (!) stages (Payolle, Luchon, Arcalis, Ventoux, Culoz, Finhaut, St Gervais & Morzine) including 3 HC MTFs and plenty of other difficult climbs along the way and the top 7 riders on that list are separated by under a minute. Not only does it highlight the fact that almost all GC gaps in the race occurred from the TTs and crashes, but also the passiveness, whether intentional or not, of the GC guys.
I spared myself doing similar calculations. Froome was hampered at Ventoux and Saint Gervais, but still disappointed in him not putting the hammer down for realz like he did in the previous years on a MTF. The MTFs this year have been atrocious, simply atrocious. Look at stage 17, some of the hardest shit you can find... 1 kilometre of action. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 23-07-2016 22:19
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Riis123 wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
So where does this Tour rank with Vuelta 2011, Giro 2012 and Tour 2012?
To answer my own question, definitely worse than Tour 2012. Way worse Tour 2009, so most definitely the worst Tour I've seen.
I dno about the Vuelta from 2011, that was also a train wreck, so was the Giro 2012. But at least they attack the final 2 kilometres.
vuelta 2011 was much better than this Tour. No idea why you describe it as a trainwreck
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 23-07-2016 22:24
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Spilak23 wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
So where does this Tour rank with Vuelta 2011, Giro 2012 and Tour 2012?
To answer my own question, definitely worse than Tour 2012. Way worse Tour 2009, so most definitely the worst Tour I've seen.
I dno about the Vuelta from 2011, that was also a train wreck, so was the Giro 2012. But at least they attack the final 2 kilometres.
vuelta 2011 was much better than this Tour. No idea why you describe it as a trainwreck
Nieve in 10th place, 5'33 down in the overall, 15 riders inside 10 minutes, I think thats a pretty big marker of the racing. One of the only GT's of the last decade I really didn't watch, so maybe its unfair, but I saw a couple of stages. |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 23-07-2016 22:27
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Stromeon wrote:
Did some quick calculations on Excel, so please do correct me if I've made some mistakes as I'm sure I probably have somewhere, but I thought it would be interesting to calculate the time differences on the road between the top 10 across all the mountain stages. I came out with this (GC positions in brackets):
| 1. Froome (1) | 36h27'29'' | | 2. Bardet (2) | + 22'' | | 3. Porte (5) | + 32'' | | 4. Quintana (3) | + 44'' | | 5. Yates (4) | + 49'' | | 6. Meintjes (8) | + 55'' | | 7. Rodríguez (7) | + 58'' | | 8. Kreuziger (10) | + 1'40'' | | 9. Martin (9) | + 2'13'' | | 10. Valverde (6) | + 2'59'' |
So that is a total of 8 (!) stages (Payolle, Luchon, Arcalis, Ventoux, Culoz, Finhaut, St Gervais & Morzine) including 3 HC MTFs and plenty of other difficult climbs along the way and the top 7 riders on that list are separated by under a minute. Not only does it highlight the fact that almost all GC gaps in the race occurred from the TTs and crashes, but also the passiveness, whether intentional or not, of the GC guys.
You know, this shows's how poor this Tour was. |
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Posted on 24-07-2016 07:05
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Quintana should get a trophy of the most boring rider. On trophy is a rider who sit on the wheel of one other rider... ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Froome was in poor form in Vuelta 2014 and lost much time on TT and Valverde was better most of the race, but at least he tried to win.
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| Strydz |
Posted on 24-07-2016 07:24
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People can bag the mountain stages all they want and that's fair as they lacked the GC action but I don't blame the GC guys for not attacking more, Sky were simply far to strong and suffocated the race. How can riders attack guys who are sitting on the front holding 450 watts consistently and with relative ease, I mean you can attack but it won't stick. SKy haven't done anything wrong (leaving doping aside for this argument) as we don't have a salary cap in cycling so hey buy the best riders who will perform as domestiques without ambitions of there own and train them to within an inch of whats healthy and set them a single task of riding a pace that will kill the racing action, also the back of house stuff does play a part and money talks there aswell. The only thing that has broken this trend since 2012 is injury or illness to the team leader.
On Quintana, it will be interesting to see what comes out after the Tour about this guy, clearly something wasn't right with him be it just a bad form or some type of illness but something was certainly up. Pretty amazing that even in such terrible form he still manages to find himself on the podium
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 24-07-2016 08:56
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Disaster was the moment when they put all cards in Aru hands who is racing his first Tour and selected Nibali, Fuglsang and Kangert who already had ridden Giro on 100% to be his 3 out of 4 main domestiques.
Indeed terrible planning. You can't just but your best riders into tdf startlist you need to consider condition. Kangert admitted after 1st. week that he is totally empty and nowhere to improve |
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| clamel |
Posted on 24-07-2016 14:50
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I say wasn't this Tour very similar to TF 1990 and a few years after.
Indurain-Banesto-Rue EQUAL Froome-Sky-Pouls
No-one attacked back then but the Banesto dominated those years. I think we are looking at the same case this years, and I fear maybe some years ahead. BMC-Astana-Movistar all must have missed preparing correct and what about a motto Who Dares Win. Those other teams should be in better form and attacked more, then Sky had to answer those challenges.
I can't see any such things. Attacking with 2-3km left is not the answer.
So Sky was permitted to dominate the same as Banesto.
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Posted on 24-07-2016 15:12
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clamel wrote:
I say wasn't this Tour very similar to TF 1990 and a few years after.
Indurain-Banesto-Rue EQUAL Froome-Sky-Pouls
No-one attacked back then but the Banesto dominated those years. I think we are looking at the same case this years, and I fear maybe some years ahead. BMC-Astana-Movistar all must have missed preparing correct and what about a motto Who Dares Win. Those other teams should be in better form and attacked more, then Sky had to answer those challenges.
I can't see any such things. Attacking with 2-3km left is not the answer.
So Sky was permitted to dominate the same as Banesto.
I don't think BMC messed up the prep leading to the race as they don't have the firepower or the legitimate GC contenders for it. Astana had some strength but had Dom's coming out of the Giro and a GC leader who was basically here so Nibali could race the Giro, Aru won't be at the Tour next year. Movistar were the only real challenge to Sky but had a GC leader who was in poor form/illness or something and the only other in that team had the Giro and a podium at that race in his legs, outside of that the only thing Movistar did wrong was not bring someone like Rojas to guide the GC guys on the flatter stages.
Sky don't remind me of Banesto, Banesto were good but didn't have the depth across the board that Sky has, US Postal would be the best comparison we have to Sky
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Posted on 24-07-2016 19:24
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Well of course US Postal was more like Sky, but as I recall they did do something false, didn't they ??? 
However it's my memory back with Indurain and how his team changed almost the type of this team controlling style. Correct Sky is more powerful than Banesto in depth, but still thinking how pissed one got when no-one attacked until the last couple of years. Riis made a nice attack in 95 and so did Jalabert (what I recall), but before that all sat nicely behind the Banesto-train.
Then Indurain just hanged up his bike and it was party time again. Riis, Pantani, Ullrich, Jalabert, Virenque, even if some off them used a little extra to enhance their attacks. Never mind it's +20 years ago and memory fade how it looked.
And not forget Abdu had some nice last stage wins. That crazy one.
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Posted on 25-07-2016 22:42
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What a pathetic stage from favourites.
Aru very disappointing.Looks like he just arrived in very abd form.He also suffers in rain and cold.
Nibali had a disappointins decsent as well and lost the stage.
Chapeau for Kreuziger and Purito for attacking. |
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