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XML Class files NEW Tour of Yorkshire and update Azerbaidjan AND Giro XML discussion
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| clamel |
Posted on 05-10-2014 22:22
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Update and New for May 2015
New for Tour de Yorkshire (Whenever someone creates this race for PCM)
and an update with some new rules for Tour de Azerbaidjan
https://www.mediaf...ateMay.rar
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TOUR of TAIWAN
https://www.mediaf..._class.xml
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Dubai Tour and Herald Sun Tour changed their classification for 2015, so here you go (and some more like Royal Smilde Olympia's Tour, An Post and San Luis)
https://www.mediaf...pdates.rar
A little Xmas present for DB creators and everyone else. Read the list further down what´s in this package
Click to DL the files and do please tell me if anything is missing or wrong
https://www.mediaf...partIV.rar
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This thread will include my tested files on changes for Cyanide XML classification files on most of the higher ranked stage races in the game.
They will work with ANY database with some editing in the DB.
Each race will have it´s own file in the end (perhaps not all)
Instructions is in the rar-files and in the following post.
I will upload these files in packages and hope to get some feedback and comments (constructive please) since in some cases things could be debated.
I have collected the info from roadbooks, regulations and websites.
You are all free to use them with any DB from any website.
Hope they will make the game a bit more realistic contra the races in real life.
First upload is the bigger American races
https://www.mediaf...rican1.rar
My second upload will get you All the World Tour stage races more correct classification than the standard cont_2HC file.
And in some cases corrected specific races already present.
Not the Three Big Ones , The Tour, Giro and Vuelta.
https://www.mediaf...ations.rar
Most of the 2.HC races with NEW and correct XML classification files that brings out very different competition in many of these great races.
16 new 2.HC races 
https://www.mediaf..._races.rar
Have a look at ALL the races in this spoiler
Spoiler So what races are included in these packages:
The HC rar-file have new setups for
Tour de Wallonie
Giro Trentino
4 jours de Dunkerque
Tour of Britain
Tour of Oman
Tour of Qatar
Post Danmark Rundt
Baloise Tour de Belgique
Tour de Langkawi
Tour de Luxembourg
Criterium International
Tour of Austria
Bayern Rundfart
Tour of Turkey
Vuelta e Burgos
Tour of Norway
The World Tour rar file have new classifications for
Dauphiné Libere
Paris-Nice
Volta Catalyuna
Tour de Romandie
Santos Tour Down Under
Eneco Tour
Tour de Beijing
Tour de Suisse
Tour de Pologne
Vuelta Ciclista al Pais Vasco
The American rar-file includes these races
Amgen Tour of California
US Pro Challenge
Tour of Alberta
Tour of Utah
Tour of the Gila
The latest and biggest collections of 2.1 and 2.2 races
Tour of Taiwan
Volta Algarve
Volta a Portugal
Joaquin Agostinho
Vuelta a Andalucia - Ruta Ciclista Del Sol
Vuelta e Burgos
Vuelta Castilla y Leon
Vuelta Asturias Julio Alvarez Mendo
Settimana Internazionale Coppi e Bartali
Settimana Ciclista Lombarda
Tour de Wallonie
VDK-Driedaagse De Panne-Koksijde
Driedaagse van West-Vlaanderen
World Port Classic
Ster ZLM Tour GP
Tour de l'Eurométropole
Circuit Cycliste Sarthe-Pays de la Loire
Tour du Poitou Charentes
Etoile de Bessèges
Fleche du Sud
Tour d'Alsace
Route du Sud - la Dépêche du Midi
Tour Méditerranéen
Tour du Haut Var-Matin
Tour de l'Ain
Tour de Bretagne
Tour du Limousin
Boucles de la Mayenne
Tour de Gironde
Tour de Normandie
Tour de Picardie
Kreiz Breizh Elites
Tour of Fjords
Oberösterreichrundfahrt
Jayco Herald Sun Tour UPDATED for 2015
Tour of Dubai UPDATED for 2015
Tour de Qinghai Lake
Le Tour de Langkawi
Tour de San Luis
Royal Smilde Olympia's Tour
An Post Ras
Tour du Beauce
last addition
Tour de Yorkshire
Edited by clamel on 10-05-2015 15:43
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| clamel |
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Why did I do this time consuming work, searching website, reading roadbook and regulations from all corners of the world ?
Well Cyanide sold this (in my opinion) valuable info short. The intermediate sprints and King-of-the-Mountain competitions are very different in almost every race. Bonus seconds play a very important role in stage-races that are shorter than a week. In some cases Cyanide even shut their eyes for the fact that these (and team and youngster) are not the only jersey competitions in many smaller races.
The best example is of course Tour of Britain which have a separate jersey for the intermediate sprints (Yoda sprints) and the Finish points (Chain Reaction). No such possibility to separate these are in the game which is sad.
The UCI rules of max 4 jerseys only apply to bigger races (WT) so that is what Cyanide has followed, but in other races up to 6 jerseys are possible.
What have in some cases made this extra hard is the great work that stage-creators have done. In some (thankfully few) cases they have not follow the precise setup the stages have in real life. Putting in category climbs in what ever category class they themselve thought nice. This is in conflict with correct classifications and can create problems getting this game to more precise outcome.
However some smaller(or bigger) bugs in direct calculation have thrown me offside to be sure. In certain races (no clear picture) the points during a race don´t add up correctly. That´s not my new xml files since the old one have it too.
One has to be observant and watch in-race the provisional info that pops up in the upper right corner. That gave away the miss-calculation.
When the race is over and done I can´t see what each and every sprint had in outcome only the total points gathered for that stage.
So finding this bug one has to stop before finish after all sprints and KoM are done and write down what each sprint had. My your own calculation, tiresome. Then you will find out this bug, but only now and then.
Sadly I haven´t found the correct circumstance and without the code it´s 10 times harder. I made Cyanide aware but they ignored it.
Perhaps they don´t understand english that well, so perhaps someone reading this could test and try to explain in french to them. I would like to see if this is only me too, since then it´s even more strange.
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| clamel |
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| Selwink |
Posted on 06-10-2014 13:06
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Are these compatible with PCM13? If so I'd love to use them, great job on correcting all these races.
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 06-10-2014 13:16
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About the wrong points, my guess is that it could be connected to when it's very close as sometimes I've seen one name pop up in the top left as having won the KOM sprint but when I checked the page where it gives you all the sprints on the stage to see how many points my rider attacking out of the peloton took it's been in a slightly different order.
That said I've never counted them up to check which is right.
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| Margh Norway |
Posted on 06-10-2014 17:55
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Great work! 
Will definately use them when starting a career, which won't be soon. Quietly hope the xml are included in an upcoming DB release... or you provide an updated FCDB.cdb-file, too!? 
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| clamel |
Posted on 06-10-2014 21:29
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Selwink wrote:
Are these compatible with PCM13? If so I'd love to use them, great job on correcting all these races.
I don´t have Pcm13 so I don´t know, but if you fnd a field like I mentioned and then a folder with xml classifications files I do Think it works.
You could try with one race and edit your DB as I informed.
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| clamel |
Posted on 24-10-2014 23:28
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I do hope someone will give these a go and please comment on them.
I hate to continue this work if no-one seam to care, so any criticism will be helpful (clearly prefer constructive of course)
Then will I publish the rest covering most HC and many many 2.1 stage races. ??
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| Maddrengen |
Posted on 25-10-2014 07:48
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I think if you make it a package and contact the PCM.daily team, to ask them to put it on the site for download, it'd help alot
But good work nonetheless! I'll look forward to see classifications for 2.HC races too!
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| matt17br |
Posted on 25-10-2014 09:01
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That is indeed awesome work. The things that surprises me is your patience, and would be a shame if you'd stop at some point. Keep up this, it's also a help for the db-makers
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| clamel |
Posted on 25-10-2014 16:57
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I have mess PCDaily but so far no interrest, strange enough...
As everything else folks have added (like stages and graphics) it takes patience and work to be sure. Mine is only a little compared to stage & graphic creators. They have to create I only do research and gathers info that could have be done by Cyanide I believe.
Hard working on HC and 2.1 stage races so I´ll be back soon.
So more packages comes ....
And mates
Thanks for encouragement..
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| clamel |
Posted on 09-11-2014 12:33
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sammyt93 wrote:
About the wrong points, my guess is that it could be connected to when it's very close as sometimes I've seen one name pop up in the top left as having won the KOM sprint but when I checked the page where it gives you all the sprints on the stage to see how many points my rider attacking out of the peloton took it's been in a slightly different order.
That said I've never counted them up to check which is right.
You are spot on mate.
I looked at this very carefully and on "photo-finishes" at these sprints I could see that the information given onwho won that sprints is not always what it seams to be.
So it´s the presentation in the in-race info, not calculation, that is wrong.
The information on prov-results in upper right corner actually have the correct points. And (lord and behold) Cyanide do calculate correct, BUT sends you the wrong info in-race.
This will be most obvious in the first stage of a tour.
It´s hard to figure this out, when the info in-race can´t be looked at post-race. Only the total points are shown in the results for the stage at hand.
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction in my search for the error.
And now we have some 16 new races at the 2.HC level to race with new and real-life point results, and they do give some new angles to this game.
Enjoy them mates and as always DO COMMENT. If something doesn´t work I need to know. The more of us that use them the more they can be adjusted to 100% real-life situations inside the limitations of Cyanide present product. |
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| clamel |
Posted on 22-12-2014 15:00
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Hope you all can enjoy this little XMas gift.
I guess this is the last of my XLM files. If anyone got a specific wish I have forgotten to include, please tell me. I will se if I can dig up info on such a race and create a presentable XML file.
I do believe some will pop up in a PcmDaily update in the future,
so then you don´t have to do the editing yourself.
Hope you can enjoy them and what they offer.
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| clamel |
Posted on 10-02-2015 21:32
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Well time for some updates.
Dubai Tour not only got raised to 2.HC but also changed their classifications
I have added some imaginary points for KoM, since some stage creators can't stay away from the temptation of adding KoMs.
THIS RACE HAS NOOOO Mountain sprints. OK in fantasy setups of course.
However it has the issue Cyanide failed to include.
The intermediate sprints is a different jersey than the points giving at the finish line.
No way to handles this I am afraid, so they have to be combined.
Herald Sun Tour made some smaller changes.
I am afraid that the category of Arthurs Seat should have been Cat 1, but that is nothing that I can fix in the stage.
Added is the San Luis race. It has kind of strange setup, with NO points on the finish line, no bonus seconds
Hope you can add and enjoy this little update.
Feel free to comment and suggest other stage races.
Naturally these works for stages for both 2013 and 2014 (perhaps even 2012)
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 10-02-2015 22:01
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Vuelta a Andalucia this year is 2.HC |
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| clamel |
Posted on 11-02-2015 12:44
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AiZaK wrote:
Vuelta a Andalucia this year is 2.HC
Hmm I beg to differ.
I can't see that the race has been lifted up to 2.HC anywhere.
On uci website still only 2.1
https://www.uci.ch...p;classc=0
Then whatever has it to do with the XML files ???
I checked how this year regulations and roadbook says about this, and no difference for this race in 2015 than last year.
Still NO bonus seconds on sprints or finish line.
I guess my old file still holds up.
Please AiZak elaborate this statement of yours .... I'm eager to help if I can.
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| matt17br |
Posted on 11-02-2015 13:29
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I think Aizak is confusing it with Vuelta a Burgos, Vuelta a Andalucia will remain 2.1 as in the past years
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 11-02-2015 15:31
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You can see here:
https://www.ciclo2...-2-hc-uci/
Or here:
https://www.bicici...31-10-2014 |
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| clamel |
Posted on 11-02-2015 19:47
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Well mate,
I think if you compare UCI official website with some confused spanish newsites I do put my money on UCI until they change. (That's knowing UCI might flip-flop at any time)
THEN ONCE MORE !! Could you tell me why this discussion is in this thread ??
What has this to do with the XML files ??????????????????
Whatever classification 2.1 or 2.HC or even downgrade to 2.2 the regulations are the same according to their own website, and I do believe the Andalucia Ruta del Sul organizers know (or are they confused as the newssite, perhaps to much siestas :cool
The race is soon to start so then we will know for sure I hope.
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 11-02-2015 19:57
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jejeje I think that UCI forgot refresh the web site, because I saw the new about 3 months ago in 3 o 4 spanish websites
The race will start soon and we will know 100% their categorie |
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