The Rider wrote:
Now time to add some Brazilians! A hard thing to do in the MG, as most of the top Brazilians are well into the 30s with a good chunk 35-40. So, some of these are OP, of course. However, with Brazilians represented in all divisions, Nicacio taking two stage wins at the 'best GT!', a Brazilian team amidst plenty of South American teams in the MG it makes sense to add Brazilians which are OP, especially as many have declined. So perhaps it would be a good idea if someone could find a Brazilian with half a reason to give a stat max of 80 in either mountain or hill to? Why not!
So what you're basically saying is: "I manage a team from a country, so I've gone away and found the names of some cyclists from this country and decided to create their stats so they fit into my team perfectly, filling any roles that are currently lacking in the team, and while you're at it, why not add some really overpowered riders, because I want some of them in my team"
Seems legit.
You obviously didn't read the stats that Rider suggested pretty normal stats plus most of the comments their are tongue in cheek e.g. "Nicacio winning in best GT"
Depends if they're maxed stats or not but with Nazaret going to the free agency this season I don't think Bonsucro really need another 80MO Brazilian, just saying
It would be greatly appreciated if anyone can give these riders stats! And keep in mind that Russia is dying Gusev, Karpets, Kolobnev, Efimkin brothers, Brutt, etc. etc.
Matvey MamykinPCSExtra Won Mont Blanc Stage @ Valle d'Aosta and won last mountain stage plus KoM plus 3rd overall @ Avenir. Signed with Katusha World Tour Team.
The Rider wrote:
Now time to add some Brazilians! A hard thing to do in the MG, as most of the top Brazilians are well into the 30s with a good chunk 35-40. So, some of these are OP, of course. However, with Brazilians represented in all divisions, Nicacio taking two stage wins at the 'best GT!', a Brazilian team amidst plenty of South American teams in the MG it makes sense to add Brazilians which are OP, especially as many have declined. So perhaps it would be a good idea if someone could find a Brazilian with half a reason to give a stat max of 80 in either mountain or hill to? Why not!
So what you're basically saying is: "I manage a team from a country, so I've gone away and found the names of some cyclists from this country and decided to create their stats so they fit into my team perfectly, filling any roles that are currently lacking in the team, and while you're at it, why not add some really overpowered riders, because I want some of them in my team"
Seems legit.
You obviously didn't read the stats that Rider suggested pretty normal stats plus most of the comments their are tongue in cheek e.g. "Nicacio winning in best GT"
I did read the stats suggested, while some of them were plausible, it was more the attitude that I thought was completely wrong. A random 80 Mo rider which by the sounds of it is going to be around the level of the really top talents added this season is pretty normal is it? Can I have an 80 cob random Colombian dude put into the DB just because I want one?
The Rider wrote:
Now time to add some Brazilians! A hard thing to do in the MG, as most of the top Brazilians are well into the 30s with a good chunk 35-40. So, some of these are OP, of course. However, with Brazilians represented in all divisions, Nicacio taking two stage wins at the 'best GT!', a Brazilian team amidst plenty of South American teams in the MG it makes sense to add Brazilians which are OP, especially as many have declined. So perhaps it would be a good idea if someone could find a Brazilian with half a reason to give a stat max of 80 in either mountain or hill to? Why not!
So what you're basically saying is: "I manage a team from a country, so I've gone away and found the names of some cyclists from this country and decided to create their stats so they fit into my team perfectly, filling any roles that are currently lacking in the team, and while you're at it, why not add some really overpowered riders, because I want some of them in my team"
Seems legit.
I thought this is purpose of this thread, seeing some of the suggestions?
Btw. i will look on those russians Oleg and post suggestions, i had some of these in mind anyway.
At least Mamykin should be a great talent, but dont know about 1995 guy, maybe just too young?
So expanding the Olegs post, with maxed stats suggestions for these young russian talents. As Oleg pointed out, one russian generation is on decline and MG could use the replacement, especially at stage racing front. Mamykin looks like one of the best climbing talents worldwide. Anyway i dont know exact details of careers of all of these guys, so anyone with better knowledge is welcomed to correct me.
Matvey MamykinPCSExtra Won Mont Blanc Stage @ Valle d'Aosta and won last mountain stage plus KoM plus 3rd overall @ Avenir. Signed with Katusha World Tour Team. Pure climber, not so strong against the clock, but can leave others in dust when going uphill.
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Mamykin
Matvey
66
80
78
68
76
80
80
52
64
76
72
70
66
RUS
EU
1
00
31
10
1994
7
Artem NychPCSExtra Won Russian NC U23 Absolute all-arounder and beasty rider, who can attack and continue to go strong, then even finish it with a sprint. Can really turn to a star, but who knows in which discipline...
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Nych
Artem
74
68
72
70
74
69
69
70
70
76
80
70
72
RUS
EU
1
00
21
3
1995
6
Mamyr Basam StashPCSExtra Sprinter and also good TTT. As Oleg says, fast finisher, who can be a strong TTT teammate, flat powerhouse, can ride some bumps though. Finished 2nd behind Baška at EU U23 race this year.
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Stash
Mamyr
72
60
66
72
70
70
68
68
78
78
72
66
72
RUS
EU
1
0
4
5
1993
5
Kirill Mihajlović SveshnikovPCS Had some good races in Spain, Portugal and Venezuela, signed with RusVelo Rider with attacking spirit, can ride in bumpy terrain and finish. Gets better with more stages.
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M
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Sveshnikov
Kirill
68
70
72
62
72
68
72
58
70
74
74
70
62
RUS
EU
2
00
10
2
1992
4
Viktor Viktorovich ManakovPCSExtra Last 4 years many races in Belgium, good cobble, good ITT Cant add more,russsian mini Boonen, so cobbler with good flat,sprint and TT. Russia can use some cobbled talent.
jph: What is the big deal? When all of those riders are maxed not one would even trouble the top 70 of the PCT rankings! What is wrong with requesting a Brazian Bakari? Sorry if you don't think they are realistic for the MG, but they aren't even that good in my eyes. Feel free to offer suggestions.
Ollfardh - Yeah! You know as well as I do, that the MG db is not the PCM daily db!
The Rider wrote:
Now time to add some Brazilians! A hard thing to do in the MG, as most of the top Brazilians are well into the 30s with a good chunk 35-40. So, some of these are OP, of course. However, with Brazilians represented in all divisions, Nicacio taking two stage wins at the 'best GT!', a Brazilian team amidst plenty of South American teams in the MG it makes sense to add Brazilians which are OP, especially as many have declined. So perhaps it would be a good idea if someone could find a Brazilian with half a reason to give a stat max of 80 in either mountain or hill to? Why not!
So what you're basically saying is: "I manage a team from a country, so I've gone away and found the names of some cyclists from this country and decided to create their stats so they fit into my team perfectly, filling any roles that are currently lacking in the team, and while you're at it, why not add some really overpowered riders, because I want some of them in my team"
Seems legit.
You picked the wrong person to insult. How dare you slander me like that?
So people add: Irish, Japs, Sri Lankans etc. probably all more OP than my selections yet when I post you have a problem. You have some irrational hatred towards me there I sense, I don't know where you got it from.
Do you live on cloud-cuckoo the land? The perfect team?! You had exactly zero posts in all PCT threads combined this season, so you probably don't know what an effective PCT rider looks like.
Well ask any PCT manager and they will tell you that all of those riders I suggested combined would struggle to score more than 40 points in a good PCT season. All of them are low-mid tier CT level domestiques, 40% of them are not even Brazilian, Camilo is a worse type compared to (Egidio- 26 points this season), Marques is a climber who would struggle to score 20 points at PCT level and De Matta is a much worse version of Ballan (15 points). Hardly the perfect PCT team then, of those riders we would only consider going after one or two of them if we haven't filled up the team by the end of the season.
Stromeon wrote:
gone away and found the names of some cyclists from this country '
Anyone reading this should know how much I have put into the MG compared to you. So the thought that you say I put stats to the first names I came across is farcical.
Stromeon wrote:
'I did read the stats suggested, while some of them were plausible, it was more the attitude that I thought was completely wrong.'
My attitude!
Some of them were plausible, eh? Glad you think so. Let's just look at our MG credentials, shall we:
The Rider:
c.100 MG reports
Helps out with MG points files
Heavy commenter in both CT/PCT divisions
20 odd posts in WT threads
Visits other HQ threads
Keeps own HQ up to date
Has access to more MG forums than Stromeon
Stromeon:
Throughout the season only commented on own race threads
Sub-par activity
0 posts in all PCT threads combined
1 post in all PT threads combined
1 HQ post since start of season
Yet despite all of this you seem to think you can tell me if my additions are plausible or not!
In a condescending manner as well! Oh, dear.
BTW: You can give me the thumbs down all you want, that is fine. But when you give me the thumbs down after reasonable suggestions after not giving thanks once, not once, after the 30 odd races of yours I covered, that just shows what kind of a character you are. It really does.
Me and Roman already discussed Brazil anyway, before The Rider's post.
Always say that it doesn't matter what nationality a top rider is added, any team is fully able to sign them. I have no issue with people suggesting really good riders from any nation. The only issue is if people get bitchy if others bid against them on free agents from 'their' country. It's a free market after all.
Martin has won the challenging Tour of Estonia this year, especially because of stage win in first lumpy stage. He aslo came 6th in U23 European Champs and did well in China during late season.
Enormous turkish stage racing talent, can even sprint and ride great TT, has it all really. Has billion of great results across the globe in 2015, in lesse contested races. Turkish national champion in ITT. But he is from Torku Åžekerspor, you know.
Anyway i feel like Turkey can use some really good rider in the game, thus the really good stats suggested...
FLA
MOU
HILL
TT
STA
RES
REC
COB
SPR
ACC
FIG
DOW
PROL
70
78
78
74
76
78
76
56
69
76
72
70
72
Edit: Oh my, now i have spoted him already in the game in Vesuvio colours as a sprinter, so forget it. Or release him.
Name: Dion Smith
Nationality: New Zealand
D.O.B: 3/3/1993 (22)
Starting lvl: Probably 2?
Speciality: Hilly Stage Races, Sprints (after a hilly stage)
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Dion
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75
79
72
75
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75
60
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74
74
72
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OC
2
00
3
3
1993
7
He is 22 years of age and in my opinion the top young talent that has come through the New Zealand Cycling Scene and a very good one in general. He started as a trainee with Champions System (CT) in 2013 and has spent 2014 and 2015 with Hincapie (CT) but will now take a big step up as he has moved to One Pro Cycling (PCT) for at least the next two years. https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/...Dion_Smith
His results include:
9th New Zealand Road Race
3rd GC New Zealand Cycle Classic
21st GC Amgen Tour of California
3rd GC Tour de Beauce
16th GC and 3rd Points Tour of Utah
15th GC USA Pro Challenge
5th GC and Points Tour of Alberta
Included are pretty decent classics results and also good stage results in stages which are flat and hilly. For this reason I have given him a good MO and HIL but also SPR and ACC as well as decent TT as he has alright results in Time Trials in Stage races he has been in.
In terms of the stats I have given, I haven't ever done this so I have no clue as to how good he should be in particular areas relative to others in the DB. What I do know is that he is the strongest, most promising young rider to come from NZ in many years. The stats I assigned to him reflect the strengths that I believe he has which lie in the hills, if you look at his results against Mollema and Slagter in Alberta, and in the sprints where he clearly has good acceleration.
More eastern europans incoming soon, i am surprised that knockout have not suggested Martin Laas, probably the biggest estonian talent.
Main reason for that is that my knowledge of eastern European talents is (more or less ) not existing
E.g. I saw Laas while looking for some talents but thought he would not be too strong but since I struggle to figure out what kind of rider these guys are I don't want to suggests too many riders. Thanks for suggesting Laas and feel free to add some Latvians if you know them better.
As you can see on example of Örkan, i know shit about them too knockout.
It is mostly guessing on results and what i heard or read about them. And when someone is 21-23 years old, he is usually not specialized yet. So this makes our job here hard.
Some of these stages in Tour of Ankara are pretty hard SN and he won mountain jersey there, but looking at all the profiles in detail, you are right. Majority is flat or hilly at best. Some of these profiles are confusing if not studied in detail. I guess i just want to find eastern european stage racer, who is not proven doper, too much and still failing bar Mamykin,who is obvious. Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 24-11-2015 10:34
@LLS: Smith way too strong there. Reckon that those stats are maxed, but if added at level 2, it would be impossible to add him at a level that makes it possible to gain those stats, without being overpowered because of the diversity of the stats.
Edit: Given his high hill stat, I reckoned he'd be trained for hills. That would mean that his level 2 stats are 69 hill, 72 mountain, 74 sprint.
tastasol wrote:
@LLS: Smith way too strong there. Reckon that those stats are maxed, but if added at level 2, it would be impossible to add him at a level that makes it possible to gain those stats, without being overpowered because of the diversity of the stats.
Edit: Given his high hill stat, I reckoned he'd be trained for hills. That would mean that his level 2 stats are 69 hill, 72 mountain, 74 sprint.
Yeah, I went for max stats but obviously those stats weren't thought about. More of a guide than anything.
The Rider wrote:
jph: What is the big deal? When all of those riders are maxed not one would even trouble the top 70 of the PCT rankings! What is wrong with requesting a Brazian Bakari? Sorry if you don't think they are realistic for the MG, but they aren't even that good in my eyes. Feel free to offer suggestions.
Ollfardh - Yeah! You know as well as I do, that the MG db is not the PCM daily db!
The Rider wrote:
Now time to add some Brazilians! A hard thing to do in the MG, as most of the top Brazilians are well into the 30s with a good chunk 35-40. So, some of these are OP, of course. However, with Brazilians represented in all divisions, Nicacio taking two stage wins at the 'best GT!', a Brazilian team amidst plenty of South American teams in the MG it makes sense to add Brazilians which are OP, especially as many have declined. So perhaps it would be a good idea if someone could find a Brazilian with half a reason to give a stat max of 80 in either mountain or hill to? Why not!
So what you're basically saying is: "I manage a team from a country, so I've gone away and found the names of some cyclists from this country and decided to create their stats so they fit into my team perfectly, filling any roles that are currently lacking in the team, and while you're at it, why not add some really overpowered riders, because I want some of them in my team"
Seems legit.
You picked the wrong person to insult. How dare you slander me like that?
So people add: Irish, Japs, Sri Lankans etc. probably all more OP than my selections yet when I post you have a problem. You have some irrational hatred towards me there I sense, I don't know where you got it from.
Do you live on cloud-cuckoo the land? The perfect team?! You had exactly zero posts in all PCT threads combined this season, so you probably don't know what an effective PCT rider looks like.
Well ask any PCT manager and they will tell you that all of those riders I suggested combined would struggle to score more than 40 points in a good PCT season. All of them are low-mid tier CT level domestiques, 40% of them are not even Brazilian, Camilo is a worse type compared to (Egidio- 26 points this season), Marques is a climber who would struggle to score 20 points at PCT level and De Matta is a much worse version of Ballan (15 points). Hardly the perfect PCT team then, of those riders we would only consider going after one or two of them if we haven't filled up the team by the end of the season.
Stromeon wrote:
gone away and found the names of some cyclists from this country '
Anyone reading this should know how much I have put into the MG compared to you. So the thought that you say I put stats to the first names I came across is farcical.
Stromeon wrote:
'I did read the stats suggested, while some of them were plausible, it was more the attitude that I thought was completely wrong.'
My attitude!
Some of them were plausible, eh? Glad you think so. Let's just look at our MG credentials, shall we:
The Rider:
c.100 MG reports
Helps out with MG points files
Heavy commenter in both CT/PCT divisions
20 odd posts in WT threads
Visits other HQ threads
Keeps own HQ up to date
Has access to more MG forums than Stromeon
Stromeon:
Throughout the season only commented on own race threads
Sub-par activity
0 posts in all PCT threads combined
1 post in all PT threads combined
1 HQ post since start of season
Yet despite all of this you seem to think you can tell me if my additions are plausible or not!
In a condescending manner as well! Oh, dear.
BTW: You can give me the thumbs down all you want, that is fine. But when you give me the thumbs down after reasonable suggestions after not giving thanks once, not once, after the 30 odd races of yours I covered, that just shows what kind of a character you are. It really does.
Your attitude stinks, please try and sort it out.
That was a childish and completely unnecessary attack; you should be ashamed of yourself for stooping to such low standards. I have thanked you before for your reporting which has been extremely helpful in making the MG move swiftly and efficiently, and I try and be as active as I can in the MG, but real life unfortunately gets in the way more often than I want to. I plead, sincerely, that you a) try to speak in a civil tone and b) desist from such angry rants in the future; the MG community is overwhelmingly friendly and polite, making an attack like this stick out like a sore thumb.
I'm gonna stay out of this, but I do think it's a bit strange to use the fact that you can see more MG forums than someone else as something that makes you a better person.
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy
but with Nazaret going to the free agency this season I don't think Bonsucro really need another 80MO Brazilian, just saying 
Gusev, Karpets, Kolobnev, Efimkin brothers, Brutt, etc. etc.
You had exactly zero posts in all PCT threads combined this season, so you probably don't know what an effective PCT rider looks like.
Martin Laas
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