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| jandal7 |
Posted on 25-03-2019 23:40
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knockout wrote:
For example look at Mafia VII (was there a VIII somewhere?)
Fixed lol 
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11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 26-03-2019 00:16
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baseballlover312 wrote:
For now though, I'm keeping my vote on Croatia. Those responses were not at all convincing, basically saying "No u" to trek in response for a lynch that was given clear explanation. Blame it on the alcohol, sure. Then I want a sober response before reconsidering. My next choices would be Sammy/Aquarius.
I didnt even Talk to trek did I? Sadly I can't fullfill your request as I can only respond right now in my spare time between going to sleep and waking up early, as I'm on a conference and nights are "dedicated" to socials - life besides daily 
As I've limited time, I'd like to state that lynching kandesbunzler has been a move that has similarly taken place the last episodes, s8mething I will always disagree on. And lynching the new guy NEVER brought any success just for the sake of not knowing him. The guys with the cleanest defender mostly are the most suspicious, as mafia likely spent more time in polishing them.
@knockout: this was not aggressively meant after all, just the gut feeling that I would've highly doubted that you had the intention to kill me right away - especially thinking of numerous after-mafia talks last season's this was a personal gut feeling. Partly thinking about it I have ideas on his intentions, which I for the moment don't want to condemn.
So far my feeling from only reading responses not directed on me only ones I don't like the answers of Ian Butler, jseadog and bbl, while I have a first feeling of trust for kandesbunzler, trek and Sammy. Knockout remains suspicious, he serms to be really determined. Would he be like that if he's a brownie? I can't judge yet, but I very much consider him as a godfather option.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 26-03-2019 00:19
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Croatia14 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
For now though, I'm keeping my vote on Croatia. Those responses were not at all convincing, basically saying "No u" to trek in response for a lynch that was given clear explanation. Blame it on the alcohol, sure. Then I want a sober response before reconsidering. My next choices would be Sammy/Aquarius.
I didnt even Talk to trek did I? Sadly I can't fullfill your request as I can only respond right now in my spare time between going to sleep and waking up early, as I'm on a conference and nights are "dedicated" to socials - life besides daily
Doh, I meant knockout.
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Posted on 26-03-2019 00:29
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ok this seems to be the state of play right now:
knockout - ian butler
sammy - jseadog
aquarius - ryant
trek - hillis
ian butler - hillis
ryant - hillis
marco - df_trek
hillis - df_trek
df_trek - croatia
bbl - croatia
jseadog - kandes
croatia - knockout
3 votes on hillis (if the spelling errors are forgiven) being the current leader in the lynchings rankings.
I would like to think the Aquarius and Sammy fiasco was organic, but it can be hard to believe in such coincidences in such a paranoid town. You could argue that they could have coordinated 'twice' since they then moved their vote onto different targets one after another - something I'd like to keep an eye on...
I don't like knockout's authoritative stance in these discussions so far and for me it seems like he wants to lead the conversation - but I ask to where? They've already moved their vote 3 times this day and it seems to me like theres a bit of deception going on and that is why I vote to lynch knockout
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| jseadog1 |
Posted on 26-03-2019 02:53
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I really don't think lynching knockout is the right move considering how much benefit he brings to the town (unless we are getting played). However, he sparks discussion and brings debate to the thread which keeps it active which is certainly not something I would really expect from Mafia.
My vote is NOT set in stone. It is early, and things can and probably will change. I have read everyones responses and it honestly seems like it will take a day or two of gameplay to really get a better feel and idea of what is going on.
Usually the first lynch result is a great indicator not to mention the mafia kill that night. Day 2 should be much better and organized for us at least in my mind. Thoughts?
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 26-03-2019 05:06
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As previously stated my logic behind voting for kandesbunzler26 was to make sure the new guy is posting and going to be active, that and partly to get his name saved in my phone for later incase he turns out to be suspicious enough to vote for later in the game or someone I need to reply to.
If he didn't respond then he would be a quiet player and dead weight to the town even if he is a townie, or even worse if that was a wasted power role but making sure we recognise whether or not he is going to be active is something I'd prefer to force out early in the game, not day 3 when we've potentially already seen someone who drives the discussion gone and it could go under the radar and be more of a hinderance.
We have enough time in the first day to get a feel for if people are going to be active or not, losing someone inactive is better than losing someone active if there is nothing else to go on this early.
Once he posted I moved up from the bottom of the list to the next person that hadn't posted yet or been voted on, I want to make sure that if we don't force a mistake out of anyone we at least lose someone who isn't' actively contributing to discussions and trying to help the town, whether that is someone new or someone who has played every edition won't make a difference in the long run.
Stating that I think you can see why my next vote was for someone else that hadn't yet participated.
I was at the very bottom and I'm obviously not going to vote for or interrogate myself, Hillis is next one up and had already been voted on (twice spelt wrong) so jumping on the bandwagon before he had responded that early doesn't make sense to me when he wasn't the only one not to post at that point and doing so would generate no new responses or discussion.
Next up the list was Jseadog who I hadn't posted yet so I voted for him, again just trying to help spot an inactive player.
Now I’ve only just got back online and everyone has posted at least once so I’m going to need to evaluate everything else said.
My takes on that will come in a second post just to stop this one being too long.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 26-03-2019 05:32
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Follow-up question to Ian: I see your reasoning why you would have wanted to make an early post as both mafia and town. But why make such an empty nonsaying post. Everything you said in #35 could have been said in #26 too (at least if you replace treks name with mine). That hesitating is what i disliked about you and made me think of you potentially wanting to wait for mafia partners input. Can you give me a reason for that?
That is simple. Loo, at the dates. There's a day in between them. On the first day, I was rather surprised that there was no detective in this edition, and I just reacted to that before shutting down my computer. I wasn't actually "starting" the game yet. I started the next day with my other post.
Anyway, there's probably nothing I can do to ease your (and others) suspicion of me, because I only have words available to me, and so does the mafia.
However, I will say this: at the moment someone like knockout is a lot more dangerous to have around. He is high risk, but also possibly high reward. So I definitely don't want to lynch him (yet). His suspicion of me is not necessarily a bad sign. He is very active and brings a lot to the table. So that can mean he'll be a great help finding the mafia.
But it also means that if he is mafia, he's a good manipulator (sorry, it's true ) and his voice carries around here.
For now I'm not changing my vote, though. Because, frankly, I don't believe we have anything to go on yet. Unless you start looking at spelling mistakes and similar lynch votes, but let's be honest: all behaviour so far makes perfect sense both for mafia and for paranoid townies. It's a gamble at this point.
BBL brings up an interesting point about Croatia, though. Basically everyone would lynch their first day without a clear reason, though Croatia says:
I would Lynch knockout, he would never kill me for no reasons in the first round if he doesn't want me out of his way.
And then goes on to lynch knockout.
On the other hand, would a member of the mafia have such an "explosive" reaction? Wouldn't he be more calculated?
You could start using reverse psychology and say: that's why he does it. But I remember from being mafia that I didn't want any heat drawn to me, seemed much to risky. So drawing heat specifically to try and make you seem like not-mafia, seems a tactic that requires nerves of steel.
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 26-03-2019 06:03
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I think we will learn a lot from the first mafia kill, who they take out might tell us more than who gets lynched unless we get enough discussion going beforehand. We definitely shouldn’t get complacent about the long days.
From the discussion so far Jseadog hasn’t done anything to convince me he is town. His opening post was about how helpful he has been in previous editions and comes across as deflective and doesn’t contribute anything productive.
He ends it by seemingly trying to bandwagon on somebody who had both votes on them rescinded and changed to different people.
His latest post is again just fluff, he does give a weak defence of knockout, but the logic falls short considering that is how knockout acted when he was previously mafia and spent the whole game trying to get my lynched in my first game.
I’m not saying he definitely is mafia but so far he comes across as suspicious.
How would the masons claiming early help us? If they do so and we believe them then one gets targeted by mafia and the doctor has to save the other one all game, if they don’t get targeted do we then assume a doctor save or do we think it was mafia false claiming, either way doesn’t exactly help us as it casts doubt over the claim.
I can’t actually recall a game where this role has helped us as both being alive late doesn’t seem to happen.
I don't think I've heard enough to cast solid blame or doubt on anyone else but jseadog's response is the most suspicious so far to me.
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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 26-03-2019 08:02
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There are two kind of responses from the people who had not yet posted and got lynch votes on them. Either they came up with a new piece of theory on how to play the game or something they found suspicious, or they simply stated why they weren't online and deflected the actual question at stake, explaining why you're not mafia. df_Trek for instance did not say anything noteworthy, simply stating he went to the spa and nominating someone else. My lynch vote therefore stays on him for now.
Of course all the responses could just be BS by some mafia members, they're pretty standard game theories but for now there's not much else to go on, so I would like df_Trek to explain why I should not lynch him.
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 26-03-2019 14:23
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When I wrote first time, I had nothing particular to say, and I was looking in what direction the game was going. Now, I can't explain why you shouldn't lynch me, but like everyone at this point. imo "Why shouldn't you lynch me?" isn't the right question at this point, but maybe if you want to lynch someone you have to expose "why should I lynch this?", that's a good question just after the beginning the first day.
As far I can see there's a situation where everyone is lynching here and lynching there, with not apparently good reasons, in this way we are going to lynch someone with a blind wiew of the game and it can be about 75% townie person. I think this is a good occasion for mafia to have his first free kill and after first night be already with two townie less.
At the beginning I found a good idea to make a lynch vote to stimulate people to interact, but how I can see the situation evolved so far, seems in the city reigns the confusion. I'm now doubtful on who made these dynamics running.
I have a lynch vote on Croatia, but that it is likely to be shifted on someone I consider more equivocal..
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Posted on 26-03-2019 16:11
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Spoiler sammyt93 wrote:
I think we will learn a lot from the first mafia kill, who they take out might tell us more than who gets lynched unless we get enough discussion going beforehand. We definitely shouldn’t get complacent about the long days.
From the discussion so far Jseadog hasn’t done anything to convince me he is town. His opening post was about how helpful he has been in previous editions and comes across as deflective and doesn’t contribute anything productive.
He ends it by seemingly trying to bandwagon on somebody who had both votes on them rescinded and changed to different people.
His latest post is again just fluff, he does give a weak defence of knockout, but the logic falls short considering that is how knockout acted when he was previously mafia and spent the whole game trying to get my lynched in my first game.
I’m not saying he definitely is mafia but so far he comes across as suspicious.
How would the masons claiming early help us? If they do so and we believe them then one gets targeted by mafia and the doctor has to save the other one all game, if they don’t get targeted do we then assume a doctor save or do we think it was mafia false claiming, either way doesn’t exactly help us as it casts doubt over the claim.
I can’t actually recall a game where this role has helped us as both being alive late doesn’t seem to happen.
I don't think I've heard enough to cast solid blame or doubt on anyone else but jseadog's response is the most suspicious so far to me.
How would you like me to persuade you that I am pro-town? Am I supposed to flat out tell you because we all know nobody believes that anymore and I have tried it multiple times in past editions.
I contributed to discussion by saying why I thought knockout could be trusted and I also explained why I voted the way that I did. I'm not sure what exactly your reasoning is for voting for me other than out of everyone else you think I had the "most confusing or pointless" messages per-say.
The thing that confuses me the most is why I am "most suspicious". I think many people jump on bandwagons early in the game which is why I stated that once Day 2 starts we will have a much better idea about what is going on. As an active player that can be trusted to be a part of the conversation, it would be silly in my eyes to lynch me because I come across as "confusing".
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 26-03-2019 20:10
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Exact deadline is in 47 hours, at 7pm GMT on the 28th.
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."
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| kandesbunzler26 |
Posted on 26-03-2019 21:17
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After this first deadline it seems like I should throw a name to lynch in the ring too.
I am willing to take the risk of being accused of jumping the bandwagon and propose to lynch hillis who is hiding for nearly two days now, as long as he has nothing more to make me change my vote. I've noticed I could nominate Aquarius for the same reason, but as he has no further votes on him so far I think my vote will put some more pressure on the nominee who has already accumulated some votes.
By the way I think we should have a look at jseadog as I think he has talked quite a bit without saying too much. To make it clear: this is not only because he votes against me (at least at the moment), which I can cope with, although honestly this is a reason why I notice his posts a bit more than some others.
On the other hand I tend to trust sammy for the moment as he puts a lot of reasoning in the discussion which doesn't clear him from any suspicion, but lets it seem to be a good idea having him around in day 2. |
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 27-03-2019 01:35
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Nightly Croatia updater: thinking about it another day I will take back my vote on knockout, though he reaminsto highly suspicious - but if he is indeed a townie, looking his structure would cost too much for me for taking the risk in the first round...hence I'll postpone my lynch vote on him until next round when two good ones are dead
Also, as we have no detective, in my opinion the masons should clarify their role immediately so that we have two proven good roles, especially if they are in the danger of being lynched
After round 1 we can't trust any mason call anymore, as the real masons couldve been lynched and we have no way to monitor lies
My vote right now goes on jseadog for the above stated gut feeling and the fact that kandesbunzler has a point about him saying nothing while saying a lot
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Posted on 27-03-2019 15:39
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Its so quiet here. I dont like that at all...
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| jseadog1 |
Posted on 27-03-2019 16:29
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This is what it looks like to me right now after double checking:
Hillis - 4 Votes
Croatia - 2 Votes
df_trek - 2 Votes
jseadog1 - 2 Votes
kandes - 1 Vote
ryant - 1 Vote
Ian Butler - 1 Vote
I still think kandes is calling me out because I voted for him. He is saying I brought nothing while saying something but I was explaining why I thought knockout was a strong townie which is definitely something to add to the discussion. I am keeping my vote on him but find it interesting that Croatia is putting a target on my back at the moment. Possibly aligned mafia with kandes trying to save him as he learns the ropes of the game?
We have a little over 1 day yet so I am considering a switch to Croatia but would like to get some more input from those that voted for hillis? More reasoning would be helpful.
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| kandesbunzler26 |
Posted on 27-03-2019 18:01
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jseadog1 wrote:
I still think kandes is calling me out because I voted for him. He is saying I brought nothing while saying something but I was explaining why I thought knockout was a strong townie which is definitely something to add to the discussion.
Strictly speaking I didn't say that you brought nothing but just not much. But aside from this: by linking me to croatia (and the mafia, too) you exposed yourself more which is exactly the thing (but of course not the direction of thought) I wanted to cause. I can only state once again that your vote against me doesn't bother me much because it can easily change (as you stated yourself), but makes me look a bit closer at you than at other people (who don't threat to lynch me), which I think is quite natural. But I don't hold a grudge because of this (look at sammy or Aquarius, while Aquarius is on my list for other reasons I will state below).
Spoiler (Just realized this indeed does not sound like what I want it to, as I speak a lot of a thing that I proclaim doesn't bother me much.
I really just wanted to clear this matter as I think and hope we will encounter again in day 2 and I don't want misunderstandings in our way by then.)
To your request to more input regarding hillis:
As I stated I vote for hillis because he wasn't heard from for nearly three days now (Aquarius as well) which means that he is
a) pretty inactive (not a thing we need to defeat the mafia)
or b) hiding away (which is suspicious at least because there's no need for it as a townie).
I further think that until now nobody has given us a clear reason to lynch him (though there are some things to keep in mind), so I tend to vote for one of those two at the moment.
Why I vote for hillis instead of Aquarius? Because one vote (out of 13) on Aquarius is no real pressure to come to the light and expose himself more, but a fourth vote on hillis one day before the deadline is a clear sign he has to come out and give us something to think about or he will have no more chances to do so. |
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Posted on 27-03-2019 18:46
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Spoiler kandesbunzler26 wrote:
jseadog1 wrote:
I still think kandes is calling me out because I voted for him. He is saying I brought nothing while saying something but I was explaining why I thought knockout was a strong townie which is definitely something to add to the discussion.
Strictly speaking I didn't say that you brought nothing but just not much. But aside from this: by linking me to croatia (and the mafia, too) you exposed yourself more which is exactly the thing (but of course not the direction of thought) I wanted to cause. I can only state once again that your vote against me doesn't bother me much because it can easily change (as you stated yourself), but makes me look a bit closer at you than at other people (who don't threat to lynch me), which I think is quite natural. But I don't hold a grudge because of this (look at sammy or Aquarius, while Aquarius is on my list for other reasons I will state below).
(Just realized this indeed does not sound like what I want it to, as I speak a lot of a thing that I proclaim doesn't bother me much.
I really just wanted to clear this matter as I think and hope we will encounter again in day 2 and I don't want misunderstandings in our way by then.)
To your request to more input regarding hillis:
As I stated I vote for hillis because he wasn't heard from for nearly three days now (Aquarius as well) which means that he is
a) pretty inactive (not a thing we need to defeat the mafia)
or b) hiding away (which is suspicious at least because there's no need for it as a townie).
I further think that until now nobody has given us a clear reason to lynch him (though there are some things to keep in mind), so I tend to vote for one of those two at the moment.
Why I vote for hillis instead of Aquarius? Because one vote (out of 13) on Aquarius is no real pressure to come to the light and expose himself more, but a fourth vote on hillis one day before the deadline is a clear sign he has to come out and give us something to think about or he will have no more chances to do so.
Fair enough regarding hillis. I don't recall many editions where the mafia has simply remained quiet though. Especially 2 members.
However, your latest post has earned my respect because you are indeed investigating into things even if I am one of those you are questioning. I am confused how saying you may be aligned with Croatia is a negative thing for me though as I am just trying to spark discussion and speak about what I think could be going on.
I am taking my vote away from you so we can take another game-day to further this whole discussion. hillis being inactive is certainly not helping and even if he is a townie losing him won't hurt us much at this stage of the game.
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Croatia - 2 Votes
df_trek - 2 Votes
jseadog1 - 2 Votes
ryant - 1 Vote
Ian Butler - 1 Vote
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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 27-03-2019 18:47
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Hey guys, sorry for the inactivity in the couple of past days. Had some busy days and didn't want to post something for the sake of posting it.
I agree with Croatia that Masons should come out now. Why?
- No one would counterclaim at this point unless they want to be lynched at the next minute
- We would heve 2 confirmed townies that would increase our chances of lynching a mafie member
- It would be a major distraction for the mafia, as they can't afford the masons to be alive late in the game, so they'd need to kill them during nights rather early, instead of trying to target other townies. So in that matter it could increase a doctor safe chances.
All pros no cons with masons coming out now. At least for anyone that isn't them, as they would probably die early in the game. But i think it would be the best for the town.
I'm going to vote Lynch trekbmc, basically because he hasn't posted since his very first post more than 3 days ago
Oh, almost forgot. About the situation with Sammy and kandesbunzler that some of you might be finding "fishy". Obviously it was just a coincidence, but there's no way i can convince you of that. I'm quite sure some of you also thought that a "warning vote" on the rookie might be a good idea, and that two people happened to post it at the same time... it can happen. I'm quite sure if we were both Mafia or the masons we wouldn't be that stupid of writing the "same post" within a minute.
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| kandesbunzler26 |
Posted on 27-03-2019 18:58
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jseadog1 wrote:
I am confused how saying you may be aligned with Croatia is a negative thing for me though as I am just trying to spark discussion and speak about what I think could be going on.
Didn't want to put you in any (further  ) suspicion, just wanted to point out that (in my opinion) you had to come out with some more reasoning, regardless of the direction, which you did indeed. |
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