I have the question about an possible new patch asked on the cyanideforum. Next after someone with the same question (21 august).
Let's hope they give an answer! So yes, I post the answer here.
Edited by Il Pirata on 25-08-2013 18:31
Lachi is painting a pretty bleak picture here. Unfortunately is is also true...
100% right? At the moment nothing is working correctly in the managment part.
Scouts = total fail since years. Equipment = total fail since years. Sponsor goals + happyness = new fails every year. Sponsor offers = new fail. Rider objectives = new but a total fail. Finances = somewhat failed. E-mails = totally useless.
I can understand that it can be difficult to make things like rider objectives (that I like the idea behind) to be a 100% (now in my opinion it's 40%).
What I can't comprehend is that they can't do the Finances better.
It is so basic, so few parameters and they anyway manages to make it so damn boring, bleak and illogical.
Most things that are important to have a good game can be worked around thanks to Lachi's or the Full editor.
Except this f****** mid-year invitation bug for PT-teams.
I plowed through the Cyanide forum (posted a complaint) a week ago and some people mentioned the bug but it was hardly an uproar. What I did find was frustration that the Cyanide people take vacation in August every year - but this I think you all know by now.
Probably what they did was to put out the patch 1.0.3 and then hit the beach, hoping that everything was ok.......
So, what I see it's either to wait until they get their tanned bodies back and start programming....
... or go "Lachi-editor editing" every darn race from April to September
Very sad indeed. No answering on the forum also. A lot of people wanna know when/or there will be a patch. A quick small answer will be nice....
So we're waiting and waiting again....
Il Pirata wrote:
Very sad indeed. No answering on the forum also. A lot of people wanna know when/or there will be a patch. A quick small answer will be nice....
So we're waiting and waiting again....
Yeah, it's a little bit sad that no one on that forum bothers to answer. They create major bugs with their patches and then they doesn't even bother to answer on their own forum
They cannot answer because they are on vacation.
And I could not care less for missing answers bease answers don't solve any problems.
But I would appreciate it if Cyanide would test their games and patches BEFORE they release it and even more importantly if Cyanide would have a concept/understanding of what they are doing.
All PCM communities should join forces and start a petition against Cyanide.
We pay for a game that's decent at max and they ruin it before going on vacation, leaving us an awful game and no info whatsoever.
They think they can do whatever they want because they're the only cycling game out there, but if all communities complain together, they'll have to listen.
Well I dont know where I should write this post, so I am sorry If I have chosen the wrong topic. I love and appreciate PCM projects, especially all DBs.
I am playing PCM 13 with patch 1.0.2.0. + PCM Real Name DB.
Well I am dissapointed with some stats there and how the value of potential is set for some riders ( TVG only 5? There are only few riders with potential higher than 6) but this is how it goes and I guess that adjustment of stats never adequately met my personal needs. I just dont understand..If riders have low potential it means that in career mode they are not able to progress, or upgrade their stats as much as riders with higher value of potential.
But when I am going to play career I suppose that I am going to play it for a longer time but when my riders are able to get better only for instance in first phase of first season and I want to continue with playing with the same team lets say for 3years and then they are not going to improve because they are not able anymore, the right effect from career mode will fade. The effect of training will fade.
(And I dont want to decrease the value of stats progression to 0)
However this is not reason why I am writing there. I just would like to ask some questions:
1, When I start my career mode I am little bit confused by riders specialisations. For instance Evans specialisation is TimeTrial, Froome specialisation is TimeTrial and I would say that they specialisations are stage races. And there is more cases like that. Is there any bug which set the wrong specialisations for riders?
2, I have read there, that in career mode from April - September WT teams do not participate in lower races..Is that fixed in patch 1.0.3.0. or we will have to wait till final patch from Cyanide?
3, Well simple question, Is the career mode worth of playing with these unsolved problems? Edited by Kalach on 31-08-2013 12:28
Hi Kalach. It's not exactly the correct thread, a better one would probably be the PCMDaily DB: Supports and Comments. But no problem with that
Kalach wrote:
Well I am dissapointed with some stats there and how the value of potential is set for some riders ( TVG only 5? There are only few riders with potential higher than 6) but this is how it goes and I guess that adjustment of stats never adequately met my personal needs. I just dont understand..If riders have low potential it means that in career mode they are not able to progress, or upgrade their stats as much as riders with higher value of potential.
But when I am going to play career I suppose that I am going to play it for a longer time but when my riders are able to get better only for instance in first phase of first season and I want to continue with playing with the same team lets say for 3years and then they are not going to improve because they are not able anymore, the right effect from career mode will fade. The effect of training will fade.
(And I dont want to decrease the value of stats progression to 0)
About the stats, they're very subjective, so it's quite hard to find ones that everything agrees with. For this reason, I'd suggest you make your own adjustments to the top riders; while for the lower level riders, if you have any suggestion we'd be glad to hear it in the PCMDaily DB stats discussion thread (btw, keep in mind that the stats from the Real Name DB are from before the Tour)
About the potentials: the low values for the top riders is on purpose to avoid overpowered careers. It's something that is being tested since PCM12, and so far, the feedback is quite good. It doesn't mean that riders can't improve: opening a random save now, Nibali and Contador can go up to 83 MO, Froome to 85, TVG can improve 3 points to go to 80, and also 3 points to go to 81 TT. If a rider is in his peak or very close to it, rarely there should be room for a lot of improvement.
Checking the MO limits in this save, there are only 25 riders who have a limit of 80 or more; and 1/4 of these are young riders who are not great in MO atm, meaning that when they are the top, some of the current riders won't be anymore. This is a good number; when the potentials where high for top riders, there were usually 40+ riders with 80 MO, 80 HIL etc in a couple of years in career (without counting the young riders!).
Kalach wrote:
However this is not reason why I am writing there. I just would like to ask some questions:
2. That bug was actually introduced in Patch 1.0.3.0 rather than fixed So if you're playing with patch 1.0.2.0, as long as you don't update it you shouldn't have the bug (but obviously not the other 1.0.3.0 fixes too). In this case, not much to do other than wait for the final patch by Cyanide.
3. In my opinion, you are be able to get some fun out of a career, but don't create one that you'll aim to play for months (in real life)/years in game. Perhaps one with some sort of challenge that once you accomplish the career is done, like beating Merckx's stage wins in the TdF with Cav, winning the young rider classification in the Tour a developing talent, stuff like that
For a career that you'll play for months, I'd suggest waiting until the major bugs (not playable WC, WT teams not in CT races, etc) are fixed, or at least until we have a confirmation that they won't be fixed (there's always this chance...). Not only for the bugs, but then because you'll also have the Expansion Pack Edited by lluuiiggii on 31-08-2013 17:35
lluuiiggii wrote:
3. In my opinion, you are be able to get some fun out of a career, but don't create one that you'll aim to play for months (in real life)/years in game. Perhaps one with some sort of challenge that once you accomplish the career is done, like beating Merckx's stage wins in the TdF with Cav, winning the young rider classification in the Tour a developing talent, stuff like that
Hey, I know someone!
(Sorry, really had to)
Yeah, I hope those bugs will at least be fixed at some moment. They can't let this in, really...
lluuiiggii wrote:
Hi Kalach. It's not exactly the correct thread, a better one would probably be the PCMDaily DB: Supports and Comments. But no problem with that
Kalach wrote:
Well I am dissapointed with some stats there and how the value of potential is set for some riders ( TVG only 5? There are only few riders with potential higher than 6) but this is how it goes and I guess that adjustment of stats never adequately met my personal needs. I just dont understand..If riders have low potential it means that in career mode they are not able to progress, or upgrade their stats as much as riders with higher value of potential.
But when I am going to play career I suppose that I am going to play it for a longer time but when my riders are able to get better only for instance in first phase of first season and I want to continue with playing with the same team lets say for 3years and then they are not going to improve because they are not able anymore, the right effect from career mode will fade. The effect of training will fade.
(And I dont want to decrease the value of stats progression to 0)
About the stats, they're very subjective, so it's quite hard to find ones that everything agrees with. For this reason, I'd suggest you make your own adjustments to the top riders; while for the lower level riders, if you have any suggestion we'd be glad to hear it in the PCMDaily DB stats discussion thread (btw, keep in mind that the stats from the Real Name DB are from before the Tour)
About the potentials: the low values for the top riders is on purpose to avoid overpowered careers. It's something that is being tested since PCM12, and so far, the feedback is quite good. It doesn't mean that riders can't improve: opening a random save now, Nibali and Contador can go up to 83 MO, Froome to 85, TVG can improve 3 points to go to 80, and also 3 points to go to 81 TT. If a rider is in his peak or very close to it, rarely there should be room for a lot of improvement.
Checking the MO limits in this save, there are only 25 riders who have a limit of 80 or more; and 1/4 of these are young riders who are not great in MO atm, meaning that when they are the top, some of the current riders won't be anymore. This is a good number; when the potentials where high for top riders, there were usually 40+ riders with 80 MO, 80 HIL etc in a couple of years in career (without counting the young riders!).
Kalach wrote:
However this is not reason why I am writing there. I just would like to ask some questions:
2. That bug was actually introduced in Patch 1.0.3.0 rather than fixed So if you're playing with patch 1.0.2.0, as long as you don't update it you shouldn't have the bug (but obviously not the other 1.0.3.0 fixes too). In this case, not much to do other than wait for the final patch by Cyanide.
3. In my opinion, you are be able to get some fun out of a career, but don't create one that you'll aim to play for months (in real life)/years in game. Perhaps one with some sort of challenge that once you accomplish the career is done, like beating Merckx's stage wins in the TdF with Cav, winning the young rider classification in the Tour a developing talent, stuff like that
For a career that you'll play for months, I'd suggest waiting until the major bugs (not playable WC, WT teams not in CT races, etc) are fixed, or at least until we have a confirmation that they won't be fixed (there's always this chance...). Not only for the bugs, but then because you'll also have the Expansion Pack
Thank you for your answer, explanation and tips. Much appreciated!
lluuiiggii wrote:
Hi Kalach. It's not exactly the correct thread, a better one would probably be the PCMDaily DB: Supports and Comments. But no problem with that
Kalach wrote:
Well I am dissapointed with some stats there and how the value of potential is set for some riders ( TVG only 5? There are only few riders with potential higher than 6) but this is how it goes and I guess that adjustment of stats never adequately met my personal needs. I just dont understand..If riders have low potential it means that in career mode they are not able to progress, or upgrade their stats as much as riders with higher value of potential.
But when I am going to play career I suppose that I am going to play it for a longer time but when my riders are able to get better only for instance in first phase of first season and I want to continue with playing with the same team lets say for 3years and then they are not going to improve because they are not able anymore, the right effect from career mode will fade. The effect of training will fade.
(And I dont want to decrease the value of stats progression to 0)
About the stats, they're very subjective, so it's quite hard to find ones that everything agrees with. For this reason, I'd suggest you make your own adjustments to the top riders; while for the lower level riders, if you have any suggestion we'd be glad to hear it in the PCMDaily DB stats discussion thread (btw, keep in mind that the stats from the Real Name DB are from before the Tour)
About the potentials: the low values for the top riders is on purpose to avoid overpowered careers. It's something that is being tested since PCM12, and so far, the feedback is quite good. It doesn't mean that riders can't improve: opening a random save now, Nibali and Contador can go up to 83 MO, Froome to 85, TVG can improve 3 points to go to 80, and also 3 points to go to 81 TT. If a rider is in his peak or very close to it, rarely there should be room for a lot of improvement.
Checking the MO limits in this save, there are only 25 riders who have a limit of 80 or more; and 1/4 of these are young riders who are not great in MO atm, meaning that when they are the top, some of the current riders won't be anymore. This is a good number; when the potentials where high for top riders, there were usually 40+ riders with 80 MO, 80 HIL etc in a couple of years in career (without counting the young riders!).
Kalach wrote:
However this is not reason why I am writing there. I just would like to ask some questions:
2. That bug was actually introduced in Patch 1.0.3.0 rather than fixed So if you're playing with patch 1.0.2.0, as long as you don't update it you shouldn't have the bug (but obviously not the other 1.0.3.0 fixes too). In this case, not much to do other than wait for the final patch by Cyanide.
3. In my opinion, you are be able to get some fun out of a career, but don't create one that you'll aim to play for months (in real life)/years in game. Perhaps one with some sort of challenge that once you accomplish the career is done, like beating Merckx's stage wins in the TdF with Cav, winning the young rider classification in the Tour a developing talent, stuff like that
For a career that you'll play for months, I'd suggest waiting until the major bugs (not playable WC, WT teams not in CT races, etc) are fixed, or at least until we have a confirmation that they won't be fixed (there's always this chance...). Not only for the bugs, but then because you'll also have the Expansion Pack
Thank you for your answer, explanation and tips. Much appreciated!
danyyev wrote:
when will be released new PCM Daily for PCM 13 ? maybe will be called v1!?!?
Well with the release of a new patch planned from Cyanide, I will probably think it will follow that. It would be pointless releasing the db for a buggy patch, and then having to adjust things for the new patch.
(btw, keep in mind that the stats from the Real Name DB are from before the Tour)
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