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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 23-12-2012 09:50
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Alakagom wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
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Already in 2010 there was massive improvement in stage races, Wiggins winning Dauphine as well as Vuelta 2-3. Already from that you could see there was potential for bigger things in 2011.
Oh come on.. when Wiggins was leading Dauphine, I clearly remember comments that he should give everything there because winning the Dauphine would be better than anything he could achieve on the Tour. (I couldn't resist going back and taking a look: https://pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread....ost_389292) Even yourself posted that a Top 10 would probably satisfy him, honestly I don't see that as "bigger things" you say we could see potential for 
Actually some comments from that thread are pretty fun to read now  Kinda like the 55 MO that Wiggo had in the PCM08 Official Release (at least in the demo DB )
Yeah definitely, the 2011 Wiggo version pre-Vuelta I didn't believe he would win Tour at all. His 3rd place at Vuelta with no prep races after breaking the collarbone made me think he had a chance of Top 3 at least. However his preparation over winter, plus very strong pre-season form made me think there was going to be destruction at Tour coming from Sky with Froome at Wiggo's hand ( and it happened as well  ).
You are so naive Alakagom, but i get it with all that stuff Sky is sending you.
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| Strydz |
Posted on 23-12-2012 10:17
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Losing a spleen and a kidney, okay. He can live with it, but I don't think at age 33 he'll return to full power. His body had too much to endure...
I would think that the broken leg will be the hardest to recover from and yeah being 33 makes it hard to see him coming back to anywhere near full strength.
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 23-12-2012 10:20
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 23-12-2012 13:33
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Already in 2010 there was massive improvement in stage races, Wiggins winning Dauphine as well as Vuelta 2-3. Already from that you could see there was potential for bigger things in 2011.
Oh come on.. when Wiggins was leading Dauphine, I clearly remember comments that he should give everything there because winning the Dauphine would be better than anything he could achieve on the Tour. (I couldn't resist going back and taking a look: https://pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread....ost_389292) Even yourself posted that a Top 10 would probably satisfy him, honestly I don't see that as "bigger things" you say we could see potential for
Actually some comments from that thread are pretty fun to read now Kinda like the 55 MO that Wiggo had in the PCM08 Official Release (at least in the demo DB )
Yeah definitely, the 2011 Wiggo version pre-Vuelta I didn't believe he would win Tour at all. His 3rd place at Vuelta with no prep races after breaking the collarbone made me think he had a chance of Top 3 at least. However his preparation over winter, plus very strong pre-season form made me think there was going to be destruction at Tour coming from Sky with Froome at Wiggo's hand ( and it happened as well ).
You are so naive Alakagom, but i get it with all that stuff Sky is sending you.
I am not naive, but until no clear reasons I will support Sky.
You have your ''obbsesion'' with Sagan and Eastern Riders, I have with Sky
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 23-12-2012 13:44
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Alakagom wrote:
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You have your ''obsession'' with Sagan and Eastern Riders, I have with Sky
I have with Vanendert.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 23-12-2012 13:55
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Alakagom wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Already in 2010 there was massive improvement in stage races, Wiggins winning Dauphine as well as Vuelta 2-3. Already from that you could see there was potential for bigger things in 2011.
Oh come on.. when Wiggins was leading Dauphine, I clearly remember comments that he should give everything there because winning the Dauphine would be better than anything he could achieve on the Tour. (I couldn't resist going back and taking a look: https://pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread....ost_389292) Even yourself posted that a Top 10 would probably satisfy him, honestly I don't see that as "bigger things" you say we could see potential for
Actually some comments from that thread are pretty fun to read now Kinda like the 55 MO that Wiggo had in the PCM08 Official Release (at least in the demo DB )
Yeah definitely, the 2011 Wiggo version pre-Vuelta I didn't believe he would win Tour at all. His 3rd place at Vuelta with no prep races after breaking the collarbone made me think he had a chance of Top 3 at least. However his preparation over winter, plus very strong pre-season form made me think there was going to be destruction at Tour coming from Sky with Froome at Wiggo's hand ( and it happened as well ).
You are so naive Alakagom, but i get it with all that stuff Sky is sending you.
I am not naive, but until no clear reasons I will support Sky.
You have your ''obbsesion'' with Sagan and Eastern Riders, I have with Sky
Well, Sagan has not doping written all over him and his team, but yeah, sorry for being so offensive, i am just still over-suspicious.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 23-12-2012 14:08
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Already in 2010 there was massive improvement in stage races, Wiggins winning Dauphine as well as Vuelta 2-3. Already from that you could see there was potential for bigger things in 2011.
Oh come on.. when Wiggins was leading Dauphine, I clearly remember comments that he should give everything there because winning the Dauphine would be better than anything he could achieve on the Tour. (I couldn't resist going back and taking a look: https://pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread....ost_389292) Even yourself posted that a Top 10 would probably satisfy him, honestly I don't see that as "bigger things" you say we could see potential for
Actually some comments from that thread are pretty fun to read now Kinda like the 55 MO that Wiggo had in the PCM08 Official Release (at least in the demo DB )
Yeah definitely, the 2011 Wiggo version pre-Vuelta I didn't believe he would win Tour at all. His 3rd place at Vuelta with no prep races after breaking the collarbone made me think he had a chance of Top 3 at least. However his preparation over winter, plus very strong pre-season form made me think there was going to be destruction at Tour coming from Sky with Froome at Wiggo's hand ( and it happened as well ).
You are so naive Alakagom, but i get it with all that stuff Sky is sending you.
I am not naive, but until no clear reasons I will support Sky.
You have your ''obbsesion'' with Sagan and Eastern Riders, I have with Sky
Well, Sagan has not doping written all over him and his team, but yeah, sorry for being so offensive, i am just still over-suspicious.
It's just tha lluuiiggii pointed out a contradiction is all Alakagom.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 23-12-2012 14:11
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Already in 2010 there was massive improvement in stage races, Wiggins winning Dauphine as well as Vuelta 2-3. Already from that you could see there was potential for bigger things in 2011.
Oh come on.. when Wiggins was leading Dauphine, I clearly remember comments that he should give everything there because winning the Dauphine would be better than anything he could achieve on the Tour. (I couldn't resist going back and taking a look: https://pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread....ost_389292) Even yourself posted that a Top 10 would probably satisfy him, honestly I don't see that as "bigger things" you say we could see potential for
Actually some comments from that thread are pretty fun to read now Kinda like the 55 MO that Wiggo had in the PCM08 Official Release (at least in the demo DB )
Yeah definitely, the 2011 Wiggo version pre-Vuelta I didn't believe he would win Tour at all. His 3rd place at Vuelta with no prep races after breaking the collarbone made me think he had a chance of Top 3 at least. However his preparation over winter, plus very strong pre-season form made me think there was going to be destruction at Tour coming from Sky with Froome at Wiggo's hand ( and it happened as well ).
You are so naive Alakagom, but i get it with all that stuff Sky is sending you.
I am not naive, but until no clear reasons I will support Sky.
You have your ''obbsesion'' with Sagan and Eastern Riders, I have with Sky
Well, Sagan has not doping written all over him and his team, but yeah, sorry for being so offensive, i am just still over-suspicious.
It's just tha lluuiiggii pointed out a contradiction is all Alakagom.
What ? Did you read my last post ?
Pre - Vuelta, I don't think Wiggins would win Tour at all. Post - Vuelta he stood a good chance, as he shown that even in his first race back he did well in unsuited climbs to him. Post - winter 2012 (as well post PN ) I thought along Froome Sky would smash it. Not that hard to understand I hope
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 23-12-2012 15:02
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Alakagom wrote:
What ? Did you read my last post ?
Pre - Vuelta, I don't think Wiggins would win Tour at all. Post - Vuelta he stood a good chance, as he shown that even in his first race back he did well in unsuited climbs to him. Post - winter 2012 (as well post PN ) I thought along Froome Sky would smash it. Not that hard to understand I hope
Stop all the quoting people
But well, then that goes along with issoisso's point - we only saw TdF winning potential in Sky after Leinders got in (post-2011 Vuelta).
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 23-12-2012 15:06
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lluuiiggii wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
What ? Did you read my last post ?
Pre - Vuelta, I don't think Wiggins would win Tour at all. Post - Vuelta he stood a good chance, as he shown that even in his first race back he did well in unsuited climbs to him. Post - winter 2012 (as well post PN ) I thought along Froome Sky would smash it. Not that hard to understand I hope
Stop all the quoting
But well, then that goes along with issoisso's point - we only saw TdF winning potential in Sky after Leinders got in (post-2011 Vuelta).
Then again, Wiggins got fourth in 2010.
Don't know when exactly Leinders got in but if he got in right before the Vuelta, that is a bit suspicious ofcourse.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 23-12-2012 15:17
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lluuiiggii wrote:
But well, then that goes along with issoisso's point - we only saw TdF winning potential in Sky after Leinders got in (post-2011 Vuelta).
Leinders was hired mid-season, before the Vuelta. When exactly is not known.
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Then again, Wiggins got fourth in 2010.
4th? In what? I'm confused.
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 23-12-2012 15:19
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issoisso wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
But well, then that goes along with issoisso's point - we only saw TdF winning potential in Sky after Leinders got in (post-2011 Vuelta).
Leinders was hired mid-season, before the Vuelta. When exactly is not known.
I meant we only saw potential post the Vuelta
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| juszta |
Posted on 23-12-2012 15:21
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issoisso wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
Then again, Wiggins got fourth in 2010.
4th? In what? I'm confused.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 23-12-2012 15:22
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issoisso wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
Then again, Wiggins got fourth in 2010.
4th? In what? I'm confused.
4th in the Tour 2009. Time flies.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 23-12-2012 15:23
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Ah, cheers
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| dienblad |
Posted on 23-12-2012 15:28
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juszta wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
Then again, Wiggins got fourth in 2010.
4th? In what? I'm confused.
I think he meant the 2009 Tour (Contador, A.Schleck, Armstrong, Wiggins)
Can Armstrong keep that result? If not, Wiggins was even 3rd back then!
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 23-12-2012 15:32
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dienblad wrote:
juszta wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
Then again, Wiggins got fourth in 2010.
4th? In what? I'm confused.
I think he meant the 2009 Tour (Contador, A.Schleck, Armstrong, Wiggins)
Can Armstrong keep that result? If not, Wiggins was even 3rd back then!
Wiggins was officially given the 3rd place in Tour 2009 indeed
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 23-12-2012 17:01
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But weren't you just saying:
issoisso wrote:
Alakagom wrote:They didn't take a massive jump in Classics, no spectacular results there.
As we've discussed many times before, it was specifically the team's stage racing core. 4 specific riders
Alakagom wrote:
Already in 2010 there was massive improvement in stage races, Wiggins winning Dauphine as well as Vuelta 2-3. Already from that you could see there was potential for bigger things in 2011.
Except that happened in 2011, after Leinders joined. Before he joined (in actual 2010) Wiggins finished the Tour de France in 23rd.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 23-12-2012 17:12
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baseballlover312 wrote:
But weren't you just saying:
issoisso wrote:
Alakagom wrote:They didn't take a massive jump in Classics, no spectacular results there.
As we've discussed many times before, it was specifically the team's stage racing core. 4 specific riders
Alakagom wrote:
Already in 2010 there was massive improvement in stage races, Wiggins winning Dauphine as well as Vuelta 2-3. Already from that you could see there was potential for bigger things in 2011.
Except that happened in 2011, after Leinders joined. Before he joined (in actual 2010) Wiggins finished the Tour de France in 23rd.
Yes, so ? First point, I made mistake in dates. It should be " Already in 2011... bigger things in 2012 ''
There was massive improvement in 2011 from 2010 season. However even 2011 season and it's massive improvement didn't lead me to believe Tour would be won easily, however it made me sure that especially Froome potential could lead to bigger things ( and Wiggins getting Top 3 in Tour )
It's the Winter Prep and the early races in 2012 that made me absolutely sure that Sky would be a force at Tour.
P.S. I think we're just digging a a pointless hole here, especially with me mixing dates which makes it all confusing
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| issoisso |
Posted on 23-12-2012 20:29
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Machado Radioshack leader for the Giro.
I have a question for Guercilena......WHY???
Seriously...
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