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| tsmoha |
Posted on 05-11-2018 09:41
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Of course Morton drops to 5th.. Really bad day overall with Dyball also losing his top 30..
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| cio93 |
Posted on 05-11-2018 11:08
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Too bad Bongiorno couldn't repeat his past Giro results, it's just a lottery sometimes.
Congrats to Meiji though who drew the winning ticket this time around!
23 points gap to Schleck can only mean one thing: Demare does indeed win the final stage, but Andy gets into the Top 15 too and denies us the jersey that way.
I'd surely take the stage win though, so let's get out there one last time and catch the break please!
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| Roman |
Posted on 05-11-2018 11:20
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Hirt with another really fine stage result celebrates his successful Giro mission - 7th place with such a bad TTT is an absolute stunner. Also happy with Chen surviving all mountain stages, hopefully he can get another top 10 result in the last stage.
Congrats to Meiji for a beautiful stage win, overall KoM win and moving inside the top 10, what an effort by Choi!
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| Bushwackers |
Posted on 05-11-2018 12:24
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Congrats to SN and valverde, as well as alex for making the podium. I am very distraught by Amadors result here. It will take some time to recover. What could have been... 
Thanks for the race roturn, it has been very well reported and at a great pace.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 05-11-2018 19:21
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Amazing. This type of "miraculous" effort is exactly why I came to the Giro. Great effort by Choi who wins us the KoM and moves into the Top 10 which was my realistic goal heading into the race. If only I could get points for this race  One of our best efforts of the year. Choi seems to be the teams most valuable rider so far this season.
Thank you everyone for the kind words!
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| ember |
Posted on 05-11-2018 19:38
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Chapeau Schleck and big congratulations, SN! Superb performance by Schleck to win in such a field of top, top class climbers and stage racers. Assuming Spilak and Taaramäe both do the Tour, I suspect the top riders here will be of slightly higher quality than what we will see in the Vuelta. But surely, Schleck can't win a GT next year?
Solid GC by Guldhammer, which makes for a good result, especially considering his stage win early on and one day in the Maglia Rosa. Still a disappointing race as Ciolek went completely missing, both when he was actually in the race and later, when he was actually gone. Really, really hope he can do better and find his Qatar legs again later this season. If not, I'm kind of nervous for what's to come considering the battle to avoid relegation.
Also a huge, huge race for Puma and cio, congratulations! Together with a brilliant California, Puma definitely has momentum going. Who knows, of course depending on the startlist, but Herklotz could well be a realistic winner of the Vuelta, which could see them mount a very serious challenge for the Pro Tour title. Fun team to see enjoy huge successes, filled with youngish riders |
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| tastasol |
Posted on 05-11-2018 20:09
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That was a pleasant surprise! I was hoping to see Wisniowski in the break, as he hasn't really been bothered to do anything on the flat stages earlier. Might have been the hill, at least very happy when I suddenly saw his name at the end there.
Absolutely nothing to do about Démare though, what a Giro he's had. Congrats Cio! Of course a bit unlucky to just miss out on the points jersey, but I guess you can't complain
All in all a decent Giro for us. Wisniowski did what he came for on the opening prologue and with a 2nd place on the last stage, that's a success for him. Olsson active in the breaks throughout and picking up a few points. Stake Laengen and Iturria both also managed to get inside top 40, despite both having two stages with quite uneccessary time losses. Can't expect much more from of them. Could have liked to see them in more breaks, but at least Stake Laengen gave it a shot a couple of times.
Thanks for all the reports, roturn!
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 05-11-2018 20:23
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Another Time. Two times heartbreaks on the last km of solo breakaways may make us the most unlucky team of this Giro. Nice effort by Polanc once again though!
Rocco and Faiers sadly very disappointing this Giro and neither living up to their potential nor to the freedom we gave them here with Spilak elsewhere...
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| cio93 |
Posted on 05-11-2018 20:27
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All-time ManGame record for stage wins in a single Grand Tour:
| Alexandre Vinokourov | Vuelta a Espana | 2008 | 6 stage wins | | Damiano Cunego | Giro d'Italia | 2011 | 6 stage wins | | Angel Madrazo | Vuelta a Espana | 2012 | 6 stage wins | | Arnaud Demare | Giro d'Italia | 2018 | 6 stage wins |
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| fintas |
Posted on 05-11-2018 20:34
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This race was the final nail in our coffin, Relegation became inevitable..
Cattaneo was not bad in the mountains and TT unfortunately a day to forget in stage 3 ended up throwing everything to lose.
The rest of the team was a complete disaster, and it was almost better not to have participated in the race. With the exception of Silvestre who was in his best shape of the season so far. Five top 10 of stage and two second places are pretty good results for him who is far from being one of the top sprinters.
Congrats to SN with Schleck to prove he still has what it takes to be on top, a word of appreciation also for Demare and Cio it should cost to lose the points classification in this way but for me Demare is the real winner ...
Once again thank you for the great reports and for the fast pace
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| roturn |
Posted on 05-11-2018 21:02
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Must admit it was one of the hardest traces to report for me. Once it was obvious Groenewegen was hit by AI and Dekker being just an anonymous rider but both rated strong enough to not allow any other joining breakaways, it was really painful to play stage by stage in such detail and report it afterwards as well.
In the end Groene Groenewegen had exactly 1 stage on a flash stage to show himself and got 2nd, just inches away from a win. Even worse then to see, he would have been a potential winner.
Same with Dekker, 15th might be okay, but had hoped to get more things like from Choi, Quintana or even Chamorro once.
Being out scored by 4-5 times by 77-79 riders was surely not expected.
Congrats to all successful teams though. In especially Vesuvio and Puma obviously but also Evonik or Festina. |
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 05-11-2018 21:15
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Croatia14 wrote:
Rocco and Faiers sadly very disappointing this Giro and neither living up to their potential nor to the freedom we gave them here with Spilak elsewhere...
So you call Ricco Rocco and trek calls Rocco Ricco?
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15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."
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| fintas |
Posted on 05-11-2018 22:20
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332pts is much less than we expected to conquer, we were not the teams that scored less but we should not have stayed too far
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| viking90 |
Posted on 05-11-2018 23:04
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First of all thanks for reporting this race roturn!
Seconds congrats to the podium takers!
The Giro started well for us with Bertilsson taking some surprise result with a stage win as the big one! Yeah!
David Abal could not achieve our top 10 goal here, the startlist was the tough this year. By that he could not repeat his great season last year with top 10 in 2 GTs. FÃ¥glum Karlsson & Ludvigsson was a bit dissapointing with only managed 43 and 46 was hoping closer to top 30. |
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| OlegTinkov |
Posted on 06-11-2018 06:54
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Thanks for reporting this Giro roturn, unfortunately Tinkoff had one of our worst GTs ever, still thanks to you it was fun to follow it!
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| dev4ever |
Posted on 06-11-2018 07:47
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Stage 20 just got me thinkin what could've been..
Big congratz to SN for Andy Schleck's final GT win! The only one of the top favourites without a proper blackout day.
And wow, what a GT for cio aswell, that was a perfect GT for Demare really.
Dunno how to feel about the Giro overall really, bit dissapointed about the 6th place really, finishing behind the likes of Lecuisnier. Kinda hoped to see Carapaz and co. a bit more agressive without a GC-lead to protect, but that was probably hoping too much
The prize for the most unlucky participant goes to Bushwalkers though, really looked like Amador could go all the way here, to settle for 3rd then without any stage wins gotta be pretty tough.
But two stage wins and a second place makes some decent results stagewise atleast. Dont think we need to worry about relegation though so not a disaster that Alarcon couldnt fare like last year. And we got the Vuelta to fight for aswell!
Big thanks for all the great reporting, Roturn!
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| SotD |
Posted on 06-11-2018 08:36
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Thanks for a great race. Well done with the reporting Roturn. Especially seeing how badly your own team kept performing throughout!
Congrats to SN for a great month. Landing something like 1500 points in a Grand Tour definately couldn't be expected anymore, after Schleck started to decrease in level.
ebuddy with a decent 2nd from Dombrowski, but still not quite the point scoring they could have had. On the contrary, Puma scored a HUGE amount of points from Demare who just hit it out of the ball park with 6 stagewins.
From our point of view it was mainly a positive race. Tzortzakis with a stagewin and a total of something like 100 points. Better than anticipated, although after his stagewin he really was a letdown - especially in the later part of the race, where he was actually starting to become a pre-stage favorite.
Chamorro and Vasyliv were both below par, but Chamorro got a bit back from 3rd on a stage, while Vasyliv mainly scored points from an OK GC, and a decent U25.
The big revelation was Lecuisinier who levelled his all time best GT result from the Vuelta 2016. (I think it was). He was really strong, even 2nd place potential if he had one of the strongest TTT setups, rather to the worst.
Overall we come away with a very nice points haul here to effectively put the relegation zone behind us. We are ~5-6th overall by now and with quite the distance to the troubled area. We are looking towards some very bad races though, so we need the distance.
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| roturn |
Posted on 06-11-2018 09:40
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 | EA Vesuvio | 1522 |  | eBuddy | 903 |  | Festina - Dexia | 879 |  | Team UBS | 818 |  | Team Puma - SAP | 774 |  | Hugo Boss | 646 |  | Bennelong - Mitchelton | 491 |  | Aker - MOT | 451 |  | Moser - Sygic | 425 |  | Porto - Prio | 423 |  | Evonik - ELKO | 420 |  | Berg Cycles | 333 |  | Gazelle | 324 |  | Desigual | 323 |  | Volvo acc. by Spotify | 312 |  | Grieg - Eftel | 294 |  | Isostar Slovenija | 256 |  | RBC Pro Cycling | 229 |  | Air France - KLM | 213 |  | Team Tinkoff | 203 |  | Aegon - Lavazza | 188 |  | T-Mobile | 102 |
| Andy Schleck | 1284 | | Joseph Dombrowski | 698 | | Andrei Amador | 672 | | Arnaud Demare | 620 | | Pierre-Henri Lecuisinier | 585 | | Jose Alarcon | 509 |  | Ki Ho Choi | 357 | | Lachlan Morton | 327 | | Jan Hirt | 318 | | Andris Vosekalns | 314 | | Rasmus Guldhammer | 306 | | Tiago Machado | 294 |  | Lahcen Saber | 211 | | Lukasz Wisniowski | 182 | | Nairo Quintana | 168 | | Mattia Cattaneo | 156 | | Sergio Luis Henao Montoya | 146 | | Christian Bertilsson | 141 | | Magnus Cort Nielsen | 118 | | Fabio Silvestre | 114 |
Who had expected riders such as Bertilsson in the top 20 scorers of the Giro? Or Choi/Vosekalns as top10 scorers?
2nd last is obviously bad for my team when having had a 7th with last years team, which was basically similar. Easily 350+ points below expectations.
When not having a top GC rider I would need the sprinters to score in GTs to compensate this. So big hopes now for the next 2 GTs to get the scoring going.
Regarding a full update, I will try my best to get it done as soon as possible. Simply too busy in last few weeks but it should getting a bit better now in the next days. |
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| Heine |
Posted on 06-11-2018 11:13
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A really, really bad race for us. Had expected something at least, but we got nothing
Congrats to SN and Schleck, his last GC win I guess, but a great one
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| knockout |
Posted on 06-11-2018 12:02
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Thanks for the reports!
It was a great race for me. Vosekalns with an outstanding week one and two. This is the kind of action i want to see from my climbers in every race and he delivered big time. That i got the stage win and countless days in the kom jersey is the icing on the cake. After the first week i even had reasons to expect an even better outcome and I'm slightly annoyed that he didn't even try to defend the jersey on the final stages eventhough i know i have no reason to complain.
Mansilla did well in the sprints but im disappointed by Dzamastagic who didn't even try to contest even when he was well positioned.
Overall im super pleased to be right in the middle of the scoring table. My team here should be one of the lowest waged GT lineups here so i probably have the best points per spent wage ratio here which is very nice and certainly was the idea when deciding my GT strategy this season (no MVS etc). So weird to see my team be one of few that no DNFs.pretty sure thats a first time for me
Congrats to all the managers of those who performed well: Andy, Demare, Choi, etc.
A Big Thank You To All MG Reporters! |
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