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| Riis123 |
Posted on 22-10-2014 15:00
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CountArach wrote:
Well looks like Giro will once again hold all of my hopes of being the best GT of the season.
Yep, and you will once again be glued to the TV for 4 hours a day in July as always. Cut the crap |
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 22-10-2014 15:03
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I don't understand this community though. You all wanted shorter stages and in 2015 you get them but youre still not happy 
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 22-10-2014 15:03
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Profiles: (analysis to follow once I've calmed down and ceased facepalming)
Put simply: it's a disgrace. What we have here is the worst elements of the Tour combined with the worst elements of the Vuelta to form a complete and utter shambles. Quintana and Contador better try and animate the race otherwise we will have the most boring GT since Tour 2012.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 22-10-2014 19:27
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Honestly I just hate watching TTs. They are boring as hell. So I'll accept it.
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| rycadinho |
Posted on 22-10-2014 19:37
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Muy d'Huy, cobblestones, team-timetrial and lots of mountain stage finishes.. this tour will be awesome, don't really get the hate since the French riders will for sure do their utmost to animate the race and I'm quite sure that neither Nibali, Quintana, Contador etc. will just sit and look at each other!
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| jph27 |
Posted on 22-10-2014 19:40
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I like it. Slight chance of a French winner provided the Cobbles don't ruin their race. |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 22-10-2014 19:45
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Which cobbles are we doing?
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 22-10-2014 19:48
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Ollfardh wrote:
Which cobbles are we doing?
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| Strydz |
Posted on 22-10-2014 20:04
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Honestly some of you guys are straight up sooks! It doesn't matter what the route is, you will still complain. SO we get a mountain orientated Tour, GOOD! The route doesn't always have to be perfectly balanced, there is nothing wrong with leaning this way and that when choosing the type of contest they want. I absolutely love TT's but I don't mind that 2015 is lacking this, the riders make the race so if they all decide to mark eachother out then so be it but with a couple of short mountain stages it gives them a chance to have a go, I remember the 2011 Alpe stage when the big GC guys went for it pretty much from the gun and it was a cracking days racing (personally id like them to avoid Alpe D'Huez for a few years).
I wonder how many of you guys will be moaning about the cobbles if they are included again in the 2016 route 
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 22-10-2014 20:13
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Best GT of 2015, I'm sure of it already. |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 22-10-2014 20:15
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Strydz wrote:
Honestly some of you guys are straight up sooks! It doesn't matter what the route is, you will still complain. SO we get a mountain orientated Tour, GOOD! The route doesn't always have to be perfectly balanced, there is nothing wrong with leaning this way and that when choosing the type of contest they want. I absolutely love TT's but I don't mind that 2015 is lacking this, the riders make the race so if they all decide to mark eachother out then so be it but with a couple of short mountain stages it gives them a chance to have a go, I remember the 2011 Alpe stage when the big GC guys went for it pretty much from the gun and it was a cracking days racing (personally id like them to avoid Alpe D'Huez for a few years).
I wonder how many of you guys will be moaning about the cobbles if they are included again in the 2016 route
You will all watch
Exactly, I will bet some people in where would have criticised the route regardless just for the heck of it. Your last point is exactly how I feel about it, its almost disgusting reading all those comments when you can be absolutely positive that those same persons will watch every tidbit of the race.
Personally, I think the route looks fine, but I would like to judge it when I see all the 21 profiles instead of just the mountains stages. But it definitely looks interesting |
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| deek12345 |
Posted on 22-10-2014 20:15
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Schleck96 wrote:
Best GT of 2015, I'm sure of it already.
Vuelta as usual  |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 22-10-2014 20:50
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Strydz wrote:
... I remember the 2011 Alpe stage when the big GC guys went for it pretty much from the gun and it was a cracking days racing (personally id like them to avoid Alpe D'Huez for a few years)...
Just had to bring this point to the fore. 2011 was indeed a great race, really fantastic with plenty of action from all sides. We saw Contador and Evans attacking downhill a few time to pray on Andys weaknesses (note downhill, not up). The GC battle was great and went to the wire, as did the Points competition and even the KoM wasn't half bad!
However that Alpine stage up the Galibier was amazing with Andy going all-in from far out. But why did he do this? Well he was behind Cadel overall so needed to gain time back, attacking makes sense. But why attack from so far out? Because he needed to try and gain significant time on Cadel because of the final ITT of 42.5km...
Now this is why i fear this years route. Once Quintana gets to the lead he won't need to do any big attacks. In fact the climbers will have no major reason to do anything particularly spectacular at all, because there is no reason to have to gain big time because there is no chance for them to loose big time. They are most likely to loose time by blowing up on one of the climbs and not recovering well enough. This risk is minimised by saving energy and waiting to attack as late as possible.
This is born out by past GT's, most notably the ones with time bonuses i grant, but the point still stands. Not saying we need lots ot time trialing, it's nice to have a route that favors the climbers, but put a nice sized (35km+) ITT in those last few days to give the climbers a bit more incentive to gain time.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 22-10-2014 21:42
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The thing is, that scenario is not a given at all. We know that everything can happen the first week, there are cobbles and some hilly stages and a combined like almost 40 km TT. I think its impossible to say how this is gonna pan out.
Also, to user the 2011-argument, the Pyrenees where boring as heck. More or less only the last week had GC-implications, allthough the rather long TT was lurking. |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 22-10-2014 23:03
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Stromeon wrote:
Profiles: (analysis to follow once I've calmed down and ceased facepalming)
Put simply: it's a disgrace. What we have here is the worst elements of the Tour combined with the worst elements of the Vuelta to form a complete and utter shambles. Quintana and Contador better try and animate the race otherwise we will have the most boring GT since Tour 2012.
Curious, exactly what elements? One stage has a dull vuelta-typical summit finish of ____/, which can be entertaining when they are limited. All others offer multiple challenges from the look on the profiles. La Toussouire looks cracking, good climbs and short length. And looking forward to Alpe d'Huez. 2011 was amazing.
@TMM: Attacking climbers will look to attack whether a TT is in the route or not. Actually, their incentive might even be bigger because what they gain in the mountains they can keep until Paris. Regardless of this, Q is far from set to win this thing.
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"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 22-10-2014 23:18
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Wiggo will be happy if Froome opts for the other two GT's  |
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| the_hoyle |
Posted on 22-10-2014 23:36
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sutty68 wrote:
Wiggo will be happy if Froome opts for the other two GT's
Not when he will turn his attention to the track... Although I'm sure Geraint will be ready on the marginal gains to step up by July time!
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 23-10-2014 07:49
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Well, i like thge route. With one exception and that is lack of individual TT kilometres. 50kms long ITT except of one wall finish and it would be ideal Tour with TTT and cobbles and interesting mountain stages.
Also eveyrbody is claiming this is already won by Quintana. Maybe he will fuck up again and will crash into the barriers? Anything can happen and in the end, the riders are making races, not routes...
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| sgdanny |
Posted on 23-10-2014 08:19
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The Andy Schleck vs Cadel Evans duel in 2011 is the best moment I've seen in Tour de France, Loved the way that Cadel Evans solely handed pulled the favorite group for so long ^^
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| CountArach |
Posted on 23-10-2014 09:05
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Riis123 wrote:
CountArach wrote:
Well looks like Giro will once again hold all of my hopes of being the best GT of the season.
Yep, and you will once again be glued to the TV for 4 hours a day in July as always. Cut the crap
Well... that outburst was certainly justified
EDIT: And Alakagom said it all. Mountains only really become interesting if there is a reason for people to attack.
I am betting that the same people who are now talking about how great the lack of TTs is are the same people who were saying that the cobbled stages this year were fantastic because they would mean that the TDF could truly determine who the best all-round cyclist was. Well TTs are a HUGE part of that, in fact they are the only way we have to determine who the best cyclist is at an individual level. That is what the essence of this sport should be.
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