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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 14-01-2018 23:16
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Yeah, but now we have no detective. It's all a lot harder now.
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| knockout |
Posted on 14-01-2018 23:26
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Spoiler there will be no extensions purely for discussion unless there is a major event late in the day (gunshot mostly)
Day 5:
Some neighbors started questioning why the lights were on during nights at raziz' home. It turns out he was building a bomb. The town is shocked as he uses it for a suicide bombing which also killed helpful town member Ian Butler.
Alive:
baseballlover312
Selwink
Marcovdw
Bikex
trekbmc
ryant
Aquarius97
hillis91
Dead:
sammyt93
Croatia14
weirdskyfan64
TheManxMissile
Waghlon
jseadog1
Ian Butler
Raziz
As we're already in the second half of the day I will extend the deadline for this day. You have 44 hours till the end of the day.
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 15-01-2018 00:13
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Wow, ok. 
Logically though probably more good than bad came from that as we have as we are now 7 vs. 1 and Ian would've had a harder time finding the godfather anyway.
Now we just need to keep lynching with our suspicions each day and not waste any days by failing to lynch.
I'd say now that it's too late for any roles to claim. Especially Since the Godfather's situation is pretty desperate by now he may want to play a risky strategy by claiming a role and hoping the player with that role is already dead. Maybe only gunsmith may benefit us by revealing and handing out a gun to confirm himself, but then he runs the risk of accidently giving a gun to the godfather.
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 15-01-2018 01:22
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Well. Shall we begin then? Selwink is rather quiet and in the shadows if you ask me.
Theirfor.
Lynch Selwink
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| Bikex |
Posted on 15-01-2018 03:14
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trekbmc wrote:
I'm unsure about bikex, on the one hand, he feels to be playing in a rather townie like way from my general feeling (I can understand his want to lynch based on a shot in the dark, that's kinda exactly what we have to do right now), but on the other hand he was willing to buy some very flawed logic from TMM earlier.
Oh come on please, at no point I bought any flawed logic by TMM. Also it's very rich coming from you, after you were in that occasion the one leading the town into lynching an innocent man!
@Aquarius: Looking back, it seems I really didn't explain my lynch vote on you very well. It was mostly following a hunch I had from previous days of the game. At that point it was not easy to focus on any suspiciousns very well, as there was noone's actions clearly pointing towards him being mafia. A lynch vote at least would provoke some reactions. You asking for hillis to be investigated played a role there, but also you critisizing TMM for doing the same mistake later.
Anyways your reaction to it seemed sincere, so I won't keep my focus on you!
@ryant: Can you please explain how you got the idea for lynching Raziz, after your suspects shortly before were jseadog, marco and me! What did you make you shift your focus?
I do not agree that it is necessarily too late for roles to be claimed, still some information could be earned by that. I doubt both masons and the gunsmith are dead and I very much doubt the godfather would risk his life by such a maneuver!
Hillis idea of lynching Selwink, is not a bad one in my oppinion. Like somme others I also started to consider him for a mafia role. Unfortunately he has posted so little until now, that it is not easy to learn anything about him. One option is that he just had not any time, but the other is that he tried to stayed in the background like hillis suggested. Imo it's hard to tell, as it is not like he hasn't logged in or posted on the site since his last mafia post.
Marcovdw is someone I have on my list of suspects already for some while. I find his way of playing a little bit confusing so far: He doubted the legitimacy of Ian Butler's role until the end. This could be him trying to spread uncertainty among the townpeople. Despite that, I find it unlikely that the mafia would choose this strategy, as basically anyone believed in Ian as detective. Claiming something else would unnecessarily make others focus on him, which it did. What made me notice marco at first, was that he did not lynch wsf despite posting, this should also be kept in mind.
Now onto my main suspect atm: baseballlover
This might look like a bad try at revenge after bbl was pushing to lynch me, but looking at his posts there is some stuff smelling fishy. I won't cast a lynch vote without giving enough reason this time.
Generally the way bbl played so far, reminded me a little bit of knockout last game. There are lots of posts from him that seem kind of helpful and well thought through but tbh often lack real constructivism, like for example the explanation that if two argue not necessarily one of them is mafia. Knockout said the same stuff last game. Most others oppinions are changing very frequently and adapt. That was also the case in the last game, only knockout kept insisting that he wanted to lynch sammy. Now bbl seemed to have chosen me and was very clear on staying on that oppinion after the new day started. Of course with no new information, a somewhat logical decision, but still unlike how he played before.
Until know, I probably couldn't convince anyone, but there is more when closely looking at bbl posts. Let's start from the beginning;
Spoiler baseballlover312 wrote:
Just putting it out there that the whole strategy of lynching based on those who are less active or are annoying has been proven to fail every single time. It doesn't work because ultimately, those things are unrelated to town role. What I do know is that as a mafia member, I was always a huge proponent of it. Some can claim that it is a chance without risk, but there's always risk of losing a critical role for no reason. As a mafia member, it's easy to get behind because for them, every townie role is the same toward winning, but that's just the opposite for us.
Just putting that out there. I don't have any actual leads atm.
The first longer post bbl made was that we shouldn't focus on inactive players when choosing who to lynch. He made that post after the possibly knowing he'd play alongside wsf and Raziz, two players who also didn't post much in previous games. Was his motive there to get the town to target someone else than these two?
Then bbl was the last one to lynch vote wsf. At that point it was already clear what would happen and probably the smartest move for a mafia memebr to follow the town.
Finally I want to point at his "well crap" after the bombing. This seems a little bit like a post just written to say something quickly and show his dislike of what happened. I'm quite sure most townies wouldn't have put out a post like this.
Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm just outting this all together to justify to myself that I'm right but so far there is nothing to make me believe bbl could be a townie, contrary to all other still living participants, that's why I vote to lynch baseballlover!
@everyone: I'd like to encourage anyone still alive to shortly post your thoughts about the others. This could give anyone else a slightly easier overview and makes it possible to potentially spot some inconsistencies in the Godfather's post!
Also if anyone has a gun, now is the time to use it!
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Posted on 15-01-2018 04:51
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Oh come on please, at no point I bought any flawed logic by TMM. Also it's very rich coming from you, after you were in that occasion the one leading the town into lynching an innocent man!
TMM's logic to lynch me was basically, that I'm Australian and that I used incorrect maths to protect the 'suspect' hillis, before replying with even worse maths.
And trust me, whatever TMM is 'technically' aligned as, he is not on the town's side.
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Besides that, I share your sentiments ifor Marco, with him putting suspicions on Ian and your points on BBL are quite convincing, I'll hold my vote for the moment though. I want to hear out the discussion a little more and see what others say.
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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 15-01-2018 05:59
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Good to see my wild theory is being debunked. I understand it didn't make sense. It didn't. I never believed in it either, but it just popped up in my head one night and I wanted to share it in case I got killed/lynched.
Will have to read back everything later today in order to create a new opinion from an alternative right wing news source.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 15-01-2018 06:11
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Listen, I've said my piece. Everything I've said has been my honest opinion based on what I have to go on. If I have nothing different to go on, I don't change my vote. If I'm convinced otherwise, I will change. Bikex didn't do anything to convince me otherwise, so I maintain my stance. I'll also say I've thought Marcovdw had been pretty suspicious with his theories not making much sense with the game at hand, but that's all I have to go on.
It is what it is. If learning from previous games and trying to adapt to new styles of play makes me suspicious, then I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do. What exactly wouldn't be suspicious? Frankly you can afford to lynch me as long as you then lynch the godfather who attacked me after. We have the numbers. I just think I've found him without it.
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 15-01-2018 06:12
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Marcovdw wrote:
Good to see my wild theory is being debunked. I understand it didn't make sense. It didn't. I never believed in it either, but it just popped up in my head one night and I wanted to share it in case I got killed/lynched.
Will have to read back everything later today in order to create a new opinion from an alternative right wing news source.
It made sense (although was pretty unlikely) right up until the moment he got healed, then it became impossible. 
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| Selwink |
Posted on 15-01-2018 10:27
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Once again sorry for my inactivity. Like I said before I shouldn't have signed up. My working days from thursday until sunday start very early and in the afternoon I'm basically drained of any capacity of thinking. (and yes I'll probably once again be inactive next thursday until sunday)
My thoughts based on reading everything today:
1. I'm still tired
2. Of everyone still being alive, I don't think anybody hasn't been mentioned as suspicious, so that leads us absolutely nowhere.
3. Lynch attempts on people who have proved to be pro-town were made by
Hillis
trekbmc
ryant
Marcovdw
bbl
So that leads us nowhere as well
4. Only the godfather is alive. Anyone who has had one pro-town reading is still possibly mafia. By that logic still nobody can be excluded
5. My personal feeling is that ryant should be trusted for calling out Raziz. Before acting in any way I think we should await his say at least.
6. I trust hillis as well, more of a hunch though. Bikex seems fine to me as well.
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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 15-01-2018 10:39
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Well guys, i have an exam later in the afternoon, so until the night i won't be able to give my thoughts, and also my vote
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| ryant |
Posted on 15-01-2018 11:39
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I chose to lynch Raziz as he was quiet and had purposefully posted here that he was a simple town member, but then went to say he wouldn't help the town and not post, and only follow any lynch mob vote that would happen. It struck me as him not being soo pro-town for me and since people wanted to lynch someone at least that day, I thought Raziz would be a suitable target as getting rid of him wouldn't necessarily be that bad for the town by removing an inactive member. (I also think he was more active on the site during the night which made me think he had a night role/mafia).
I do admit that I have been 'liberal' on my suspicions throughout the game but I think I've made some valuable contributions here. BBL also was one of those who was intent on proving hillis was not the CC even though it was unlikely he was anything else so I do think we should start with him. I do agree that anyone who had a role e.g. gunsmith or mason should claim it, as it may help us narrow down our list of suspects.
I'm only certain of hillis' pro town status atm and perhaps Bikex, but I'll need to read more in depth of this thread to garner anything else.
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| Bikex |
Posted on 15-01-2018 15:18
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Don't think it's good, I'd have preferred the 99,5% probable detective being still alive over your theory being debunked. 
Looking at the numbers we still have three shots at hitting the godfather, if nothing unforeseen happens. If we'd have a gun or another doctor save we'd even have 4 shots.
Imo there are already enough players that are quite certain townies to cut down the number of candidates to 3/4. If someone has a gun he could even further reduce the number! |
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 15-01-2018 15:55
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After all of theese in depth posts im starting to get even more unsure about who to "go after". I strongly now belive Bikex to be pro-town. Im a bit more trusting of Selwink, so im chaning my vote to alling myself with Bikex: Lynch baseballlover
Im however not sure yet. But we do need to do something now gentleman, we need to lynch somebody tonight.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 15-01-2018 18:55
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Not sure if the bomb reset the day or something - I'll just repeat my vote in case. Lynch Bikex. I've stated my reasons before, and most people don't agree. Fine.
Once I'm lynched, you guys should have a pretty good idea of what's going on here. If you'll still defend Bikex after that, you have to be pretty dense.
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 15-01-2018 19:18
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After that whole TMM situation last time, when both where proven to be pro-town. Im baffeld regarding who to lynch.
Right now im leaning towards you BBL. Just a vibe atm.
But everybody else. Let's go. Let's get something done!
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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 15-01-2018 21:48
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Bikex wrote:
Don't think it's good, I'd have preferred the 99,5% probable detective being still alive over your theory being debunked.
I meant good for me, as I no longer have to defend a theory I no longer believed in myself for the sake of what I'm about to explain below, of course it's bad news for us that we lost our detective.
I tend to get suck into characters when playing this game. This time I wanted to share an alternative unlikely theory. It could've been that the mafia decided to sacrifice wsf (because of inactivity) and have Ian claim the role of detective. The attack in the night was staged, based on the assumption that the doctor was still alive and would protect Ian (which is far-fetched but not entirely impossible). Then Ian would only come up with town readings in order to protect himself and remaining mafia buddy. Obviously there were a lot of flaws in this theory and everyone who has disagreed with me and told me I was crazy is absolutely right. I'm fake news.
Which brings me to why I chose to share it. As simple townie I can play with a bit of risk. In order to stay alive I need a bit us suspicion for the mafia to not kill me, because they'd be better off keeping suspicious people alive. However, if I were to be too suspicious, the town would lynch me and we would lose a townie. Even though I have no special role I would like to remain in the game as long as possible.
I would like to suggest the following: everyone who has not actively disagreed/disproved my theory is suspicious to me, because a mafia would like a townie to who openly questions the detective, in the hope some people would go along with it. Aquarius97, ryant and trekbmc are in the clear for now for doing so before the terrorist move.
Which leaves bbl, hillis, Bikex, Selwink. I believe hillis to be the CC. Selwink can be eliminated if the Mafia doesn't lynch someone in the night when he's said to be inactive. Leaving only two suspects for me at the moment. Flip of the coin decides:
Lynch baseballlover312
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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 15-01-2018 21:57
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First Hillis. To me it's obvious he's a townie. Won't ever bother talking more about him
On BBL. I going to believe now that he is town. The reason? If he was the godfather, when i was in the previous day with only 5 hours to the end of the day and two votes already, he would have jumped on the bandwagon instead of defending me
On Bikex, i have the feeling that he's pro-town despite having tried to lynch me, but i won't close any doors with him. No resentment
You can say that Trekbmc is kinda suspicious for posting and not lynching wsf, but he explained why, being a problem of being tired and time zones. So i'll consider him a townie
That leaves three players. Ryant was the first to lynch Raziz when no one else had even talk about him for some time. It could be a nice cover for him, but given that Raziz wasn't in danger it doesn't make sense to expose him at that moment. So another townie for me at this point.
So my vote is between Marcovdw and Selwink. I don't have the best feeling of Marco, but Selwink has admitted to not being able to follow properly the game, so for me that rules him out of being doctor, and it's the least risky to lynch imo. So i'll go at the moment with Lynch Selwink. But i'm very much open to change my vote in the next hours
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 15-01-2018 22:00
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Marcovdw wrote:
I would like to suggest the following: everyone who has not actively disagreed/disproved my theory is suspicious to me, because a mafia would like a townie to who openly questions the detective.
Which leaves bbl, hillis, Bikex, Selwink. I believe hillis to be the CC. Selwink can be eliminated if the Mafia doesn't lynch someone in the night when he's said to be inactive. Leaving only two suspects for me at the moment. Flip of the coin decides:
Lynch baseballlover312
baseballlover312 wrote:
I'll also say I've thought Marcovdw had been pretty suspicious with his theories not making much sense with the game at hand, but that's all I have to go on.
This has to be the most insane logic I've ever heard of in my entire life. I don't even know how to respond. Not only are you just factually incorrect - I did call you out, as I've quoted. The reason I didn't do so earlier is because it was so insane and immediately discounted that I forgot you were still pulling for it. We unanimously confirmed Ian as detective days ago. We had better leads to go on until today anyway, so it wasn't worth our attention.
Well, you've certainly surpassed Bikex in my mind now. He's done some random, suspicious stuff, but this is unfiltered insanity. I figured you were just a really out there townie, but this has to be the wackiest BS I've ever seen somebody pull. We're supposed to accept that you came up with this stupid theory as some sort of test or something? Or we're supposed to be responsible to call you out for your idiocy, but you aren't supposed to be held responsible for the idiocy itself? What kind of contrived crap is this? I'm at a loss.
Lynch Marcovdw
As I've said before, most important part here isn't that I don't get lynched, but that you hear me out and take the initiative once I'm dead.
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 15-01-2018 22:07
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If it ends up being BBL and he is Pro-Town. My next vote is automaticly for Marcocdw.
I might even change it before the deadline today. But we NEED action today. Theirfor i will follow the majority as long as we get a lynching today. Just saying.
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