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| ember |
Posted on 04-02-2024 00:41
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We are definitely trying! Can’t fault the team, as it is nice to see us join the breakaways. In an ideal, it would have been Preidler up front on stage 18 due to the descents, but we had a go anyway. Hoping we continue, eventhough we are very clearly outmatched and outclassed by most other breakaway riders this late in the race.
Congratulations on the stage wins, knockout and beagle! |
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| DubbelDekker |
Posted on 04-02-2024 10:28
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Warchol is getting beaten hard by Formolo, but it's definitely not for a lack of trying.
Appreciate his effort.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 04-02-2024 15:18
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That's just funny. I really don't know what to say. Never actually seen that happen before in this version of PCM, where we've decreased daily form limits to +/-2. Without a puncture I can only imagine the game hates me. Don't know what else it could be.
Quintana dropping is whatever at this point, but Aranburu and Eg way out of minor placings now too. And yet, think about this, we didn't even have a rider in the 15 team break to begin with despite our best guy starting the day in 18th. I might be more angry about that.
Let's just get out of here please.
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| Bikex |
Posted on 04-02-2024 16:36
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Sosa's performance is very frustrating. Either he misses the right attacks or he is just not strong enough when he should be. |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 05-02-2024 02:51
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Just one more! The stage is set.
One last time without wasting energy, one last time keeping the break sufficiently in check (the GC gaps look decent), one last time in the direct duel on the road before the clock decides this race. Be confident, but not cocky!
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 05-02-2024 03:29
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Congrats to Cio!
From an objective standpoint I'm happy to see the AI not letting the breaks get crazy. From a manager's perspective... can't be thrilled. Galta loses 6 spots in the Giro because of random AI fuckery, but Quintana doesn't go in a single break after falling behind terribly for no reason at the Vuelta. Feels like the AI's just working against us.
but that's cycling.
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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 05-02-2024 07:18
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Vosekalns picks up two points today. Not nearly enough to challenge those above and those behind him come closer. We'll see what happens tomorrow
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| redordead |
Posted on 05-02-2024 07:35
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TGH has been doing okay doting the last few stages, but there is one left where he can cock it all up.
"I am a cyclist, I may not be the best, but that is what I strive to be. I may never get there, but I will never quit trying." - Tadej Pogačar
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 05-02-2024 08:31
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Good to see Formolo consolidating his KoM lead. The top 10 looks very far now and would need the breakaway to be given a lot of time tomorrow for him to have a chance at it. It probably won't happen, but at least I hope he will be in the breakaway once again.
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 05-02-2024 09:18
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All primed for the Choi breakaway raid for the red jersey tomorrow 
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| tastasol |
Posted on 05-02-2024 09:36
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Very happy with our performance in the race so far. Larsen very consistent in the sprints and then of course the big highlight is Arensman in red Awesome for him to get that opportunity. And then also Nesset doing a good race again, up there in the GC and a lovely third place from the break. Considering our team strength, a good race for us, hopefully also a good last two stages.
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| Bikex |
Posted on 05-02-2024 10:18
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Confused about my team working to catch the breakaway. |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 06-02-2024 00:06
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Legend.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 06-02-2024 00:46
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Glad we at least tried for once. But the peloton just wouldn't let go. No idea what made this race turn out so much differently from the Giro, when the top teams had less support here. Unfortunately we get the short end of the stick in both instances. Our season would be a lot better if the AI there acted the same as here.
Thanks for the report!
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| OlegTinkov |
Posted on 06-02-2024 04:48
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+ 2'30 on Morton, should be doable!
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| ember |
Posted on 06-02-2024 06:38
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Thank you for a very good, report, UU!
Turned out it wasn’t only us that decided to give a helping hand to Herklotz this race Don’t get why other teams have been that keen on pulling the peloton and group of favourites in the mountains. Having said that, it still takes something special to finish it off again and again and again. Big congratulations, cio!
We tried again, but the AI dynamics with only having one of our riders try in the late mountains always saw us struggle, with none of our three breakaway riders nowhere strong enough to fight against other breakaway riders. Another good effort, eventhough it didn’t bring points. |
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| redordead |
Posted on 06-02-2024 07:02
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We're done with the (for us) boring climbing. Everyone survived so hopefully we have energy left to score some worthwhile points in the time-trial. TGH should move up to 10th in GC.
"I am a cyclist, I may not be the best, but that is what I strive to be. I may never get there, but I will never quit trying." - Tadej Pogačar
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| DubbelDekker |
Posted on 06-02-2024 07:45
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Break/chase AI in this game has bipolar disorder.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 06-02-2024 08:01
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No breathing room for the breakaway and Formolo misses out on another 2nd place. Unfortunately this also means that we won't be achieving our top 10 goal this year. Still, 12th looks pretty solid at the moment. And we'll happily take the KoM jersey as a consolation prize.
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 06-02-2024 08:52
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baseballlover312 wrote:
No idea what made this race turn out so much differently from the Giro, when the top teams had less support here.
My hypothesis is that it's less about team support than about the strength of the GC riders, both at the top and in depth. The combination of Herklotz, Kudus and Morton can easily erase 5+ minute deficits on a single climb in a way that Dombrowski and Haig never could, and they're more aggressive attacking each other. And I really think it hurt the Giro that the list of GC contenders was so "flat", in the sense that too many riders were so similar in their skillset but could range in GC position from basically 3rd to 10th.
For example, here at the Vuelta you have guys like Latour, Wellens, Tenorio, who are entrenched in the Top 6-7 and therefore firmly too strong to be allowed in the breakaway, but they're also not on the podium and so they can take more liberties and attack from longer ranges, while being significantly stronger than the breakaway riders and thus chipping away at their leads. In the Giro, that was completely missing and you had guys like Godoy or Shikai, who on paper could've been in the Top 3-5, but just happened to find themselves in 8th or 10th. When they went into the breakaway, there was no second tier of stronger riders, nor a really strong Top 2-3, who could close them down later in stages.
I think it was this flat (outside of Dombrowski/Haig almost nonexistent) hierarchy on what was probably one of the weakest GT startlists we've had in a long time (if I'm not mistaken) that made the Giro as chaotic as it was. In contrast, at the Vuelta, the difference between breakaway riders like Formolo, Warchol or (at least once, finally) Quintana to the top contenders was way higher and therefore we saw fewer breakaway wins. In a way, this dynamic could even conceivably be described as realistic. Not compared to anything real-life, of course, but at least in the context of our startlists.
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