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| mb2612 |
Posted on 17-08-2013 11:24
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The best team in Africa deserves to have the chance to get as many riders as the 15th best team in Europe.
Also, Morocco has 929 points, Norway has 473. Of course they deserve more riders.
 [url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 17-08-2013 11:30
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Looking at the CQ ranking, Iran have actually got a few riders in the top 200, but not six, and Morocco's best placed rider is Adil Jelloul, in 356th 
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 17-08-2013 12:15
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Don't look at CQ ranking to see if UCI makes sense. CQ ranking does, UCI barely does (except maybe when it comes to sorting out the five or so best WT riders of the season). |
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 17-08-2013 12:38
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mb2612 wrote:
The best team in Africa deserves to have the chance to get as many riders as the 15th best team in Europe.
Also, Morocco has 929 points, Norway has 473. Of course they deserve more riders.
Off course they deserve to get as many riders in the WC as they can get qualified. My point is that the points system is broken as I have a hard time imagining that you actually believe Morroco has more quality riders than e.g. Portugal. They are rewarded for mainly riding races in North Africa with week peloton's while most of the best riders from the other countries are on WT-level. Don't tell me it's just as easy to get points on the WT as in Tour de Algerie...
I'm all for the globalization of the sport, but for the World Championships I want to see as many of the best riders as possible. When I saw the RR live in Copenhagen several of the riders from small cycling nations lost contact with the peloton on the first few rounds...
1 Points system including all countries and both WT and CT races(a la CQ) is what we need. Then they can just award the spots from an end.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 17-08-2013 13:33
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All the CT races already have the same points system.
It's just the World Tour races which are excluded, and yeah, that's really stupid, but Morocco are currently the best African cycling nation by results, and hence deserve to have 6 riders at the worlds. Norway, Portugal etc. don't have excellent results, so don't deserve 6 riders.
[url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
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| CountArach |
Posted on 17-08-2013 13:59
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mb2612 wrote:
All the CT races already have the same points system.
It's just the World Tour races which are excluded, and yeah, that's really stupid, but Morocco are currently the best African cycling nation by results, and hence deserve to have 6 riders at the worlds. Norway, Portugal etc. don't have excellent results, so don't deserve 6 riders.
I would lik tto point out that Morocco are only the best because they have heaps of .2 races. With the low level of funding across Africa it is mostly only possible for Moroccans to race here so while I agree with your point about Morocco deserving more riders because of their place in the African rankings it is worth also critically examining exactly why they are at that point.
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| Wilier |
Posted on 17-08-2013 20:41
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MrUfo87 wrote:
Klier is suspended for half a year because he confessed using doping between 19999 and 2006. He has lost all his results since 21 July 2005.
That means Tom Stamsnijder gets a Vuelta stage win?
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| MrUfo87 |
Posted on 17-08-2013 20:51
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Wilier wrote:
MrUfo87 wrote:
Klier is suspended for half a year because he confessed using doping between 19999 and 2006. He has lost all his results since 21 July 2005.
That means Tom Stamsnijder gets a Vuelta stage win?
I don't know that. I've read indeed that he lost his Vuelta stage and that they don't know if Stamsnijder gets that stage. I hope so. 
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 18-08-2013 09:12
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CountArach wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
All the CT races already have the same points system.
It's just the World Tour races which are excluded, and yeah, that's really stupid, but Morocco are currently the best African cycling nation by results, and hence deserve to have 6 riders at the worlds. Norway, Portugal etc. don't have excellent results, so don't deserve 6 riders.
I would lik tto point out that Morocco are only the best because they have heaps of .2 races. With the low level of funding across Africa it is mostly only possible for Moroccans to race here so while I agree with your point about Morocco deserving more riders because of their place in the African rankings it is worth also critically examining exactly why they are at that point.
We can take Christina Watches - Onfone as an example. They have raced a lot in North Africa this season and was ranked 3rd on the African Tour last time I checked. Still (almost) every time they race in Europe they get completely destroyed. Stars in Africa - Nobody's in European cycling.
But I'll let it rest here. Nothing we can do against UCI sillyness anyway 
Now I just hope to actually see some of the 6 Moroccans or Iranians when watching the WC on TV...
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 18-08-2013 14:21
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Like Mahdi "Asian Gilbert" Sohrabi last year on Lotto-Belisol. Superstar in Asian .2 races, useless on WT-level. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 18-08-2013 14:25
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The Tabriz Petrochemical riders annihilated some good European procontinental competition during Qinghai Lake but there is another reason for that. A team that is called Petrochemical just sounds like riding lab experiments 
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| the_hoyle |
Posted on 18-08-2013 22:19
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Prepare yourselves... Cannondale jersey to be worn at US Pro Challenge! 
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 18-08-2013 22:23
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I'm choking on my own vomit. ugghhh
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 18-08-2013 22:26
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What baseball? Better than their regular jersey if you ask me. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 18-08-2013 22:26
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It's quite ironic that the team which has most ties to Dr. Ferrari wears a 'men in black' outift
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| the_hoyle |
Posted on 18-08-2013 22:31
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Spilak23 wrote:
It's quite ironic that the team which has most ties to Dr. Ferrari wears a 'men in black' outift
surely that is lampre...?
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 18-08-2013 22:38
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Do the marginal gains come free with the black jerseys?
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| stenic |
Posted on 18-08-2013 22:45
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jt1109 wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
Owain Doull would be a good bet
Nope Yates would be the one i'd be pretty sure after that Doull maybe for the sprints Tom Stewart to win KOM might be a good bet though.
if you believe all the rumours, Yates is signing for Sky in 2014 so it'll be interesting to see how he gets on in the ToB, if my memory is correct he had a top 10 finish last year in Caerphilly and some other top 20 finishes. Sam Harrison maybe has a chance in the TT stage (not of winning but a top 10 finish i think is realistic) |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 18-08-2013 23:06
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Miguel98 wrote:
What baseball? Better than their regular jersey if you ask me.
Disgusting to me.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 19-08-2013 06:39
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the_hoyle wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
It's quite ironic that the team which has most ties to Dr. Ferrari wears a 'men in black' outift
surely that is lampre...?
Lampre is not that connected to Ferrari. They're involved in some other cases (Mantova) but there aren't many links to Ferrari. They have signed some riders who once were Ferrari clients.
Liquigas on the other hand, you don't find many riders who rode for Liquigas who didn't have any links to Ferrari. Pozzato, Nibali, Kreuziger, Bertagnolli, Pellizoti are the most famous
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