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| alex valceanu |
Posted on 27-07-2012 18:14
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Look at stage 18 in TDF . he passed that hiill and he was still the strongest - more powerful than Sagan and Goss .(with better hil stat ) |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 27-07-2012 21:26
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alex valceanu wrote:
Look at stage 18 in TDF . he passed that hiill and he was still the strongest - more powerful than Sagan and Goss .(with better hil stat )
That hill was barely anything. Everyone else got over it too and he is a better sprinter than them.
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 27-07-2012 23:10
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The fact that he wasn't even ranked in PCMDaily's fantasy bet with Sagan a clear favorite does tell something though  (either a fault by the bet-organizer underrating him too much, or that Cav did a good job on the hills  ).
https://pcmdaily.com/odds.php?game_id=126
Edited by lluuiiggii on 27-07-2012 23:10
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 27-07-2012 23:13
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The hill looks a lot harder in the profile than it actually was, so I think that may have been the reason.
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| Kejim |
Posted on 29-07-2012 01:31
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Hi guys,
imo you quite underrated Arnold Jeannesson. He's like 74MO in the previous DB... Last year he was Top15 on TDF, this year 6th in Paris-Nice, and he was 5th in Catalunya before he got injured. He was planned to be FDJ leader on TDF instead of Pinot. 75/76MO seems fair to me. And the same in hills...
It seems quite unfair to me that his absence for TDF is lowering his notes like that... He just got injured and would have been able to reach a top10, or at least top15.
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| MartijnVDD |
Posted on 29-07-2012 10:11
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Personally, I think Boonen's sprint stat is too high.
He beat Greipel in a mass sprint while I had set up the perfect lead out train for Greipel and could start his sprint in first position. Agreed, he has a decent sprint, but he's not capable of winning big mass sprints.
75 or 76 instead of 77 would be better, I guess.
Jurgen Van Den Broeck's prologue is a bit too high too, I think.
I'm usually only 20" behind Cancellara and Tony Martin and 15" behind Wiggins and Evans in the prologue of the Tour de France.
Maybe lower his Prologue from 73 tot 70 or 71?
Edited by MartijnVDD on 29-07-2012 10:23
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| PCM rulezz |
Posted on 29-07-2012 10:32
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MartijnVDD wrote:
Personally, I think Boonen's sprint stat is too high.
He beat Greipel in a mass sprint while I had set up the perfect lead out train for Greipel and could start his sprint in first position. Agreed, he has a decent sprint, but he's not capable of winning big mass sprints.
75 or 76 instead of 77 would be better, I guess.
Jurgen Van Den Broeck's prologue is a bit too high too, I think.
I'm usually only 20" behind Cancellara and Tony Martin and 15" behind Wiggins and Evans in the prologue of the Tour de France.
Maybe lower his Prologue from 73 tot 70 or 71?
I think 77 is ok for Boonen, maybe he had just a better day or better fitness. He won also some bunch sprints in Qatar against some other fast riders. So 77 is ok imo. But i agree with you on VDB's prologue.
I think 78Mo for Leipheimer and Velits would be better. They don't had a best tour but I think there current stats are a bit too low imo.
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| alex valceanu |
Posted on 29-07-2012 11:56
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Leipheimer caant be 78 MO ( i wold say 76 is right). and velits i think 75 mo and76//77 hil and high REC stat .
I also think that Bonen deserves 77 sp. |
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| Teddy The Creator |
Posted on 29-07-2012 12:04
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PCM rulezz wrote:
MartijnVDD wrote:
Personally, I think Boonen's sprint stat is too high.
He beat Greipel in a mass sprint while I had set up the perfect lead out train for Greipel and could start his sprint in first position. Agreed, he has a decent sprint, but he's not capable of winning big mass sprints.
75 or 76 instead of 77 would be better, I guess.
I think 77 is ok for Boonen, maybe he had just a better day or better fitness. He won also some bunch sprints in Qatar against some other fast riders. So 77 is ok imo.
+1 I agree. Just because Boonen beat you once in a bunch-sprint doesn't mean his stat is too high. Maybe if he wins stages in the Tour with a fully fit Cav and Greipel, but not one unspecified stage.
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| PCM rulezz |
Posted on 29-07-2012 12:11
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Leipheimer had a "good" season until he had his fibula fracture. In San luis and Paris - Nice he was one of the better riders. So that's why I think 78 is ok. He was able to follow Wiggens and Conatador.
Velits was a bit sick in the Tour so probably not in good shape. But I think he still deserves 78MO.
But that's my opinion and i will use this stats in my game anyway
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| Nookie_85 |
Posted on 29-07-2012 12:46
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from my point of view Leipheimers best years are over...he doesn't deserve a 78 in Mountains. Maybe 76. And Velits showed at the Tour that he become more and more a TT-specialist. I think the same...76 would be ok for hin |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 29-07-2012 12:48
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PCM rulezz wrote:
Leipheimer had a "good" season until he had his fibula fracture. In San luis and Paris - Nice he was one of the better riders. So that's why I think 78 is ok. He was able to follow Wiggens and Conatador.
Being the best at San Luis isn't worth a lot to be honest. And he was 4th up Mende, which is not really the best gauge of mountain lcimbing. He was also outside the top 30 in the Tour in the last 2 years. 78 would be way too high for that, as it would mean he would be top 10-15 for sure.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 29-07-2012 13:34
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CountArach wrote:
PCM rulezz wrote:
Leipheimer had a "good" season until he had his fibula fracture. In San luis and Paris - Nice he was one of the better riders. So that's why I think 78 is ok. He was able to follow Wiggens and Conatador.
Being the best at San Luis isn't worth a lot to be honest. And he was 4th up Mende, which is not really the best gauge of mountain lcimbing. He was also outside the top 30 in the Tour in the last 2 years. 78 would be way too high for that, as it would mean he would be top 10-15 for sure.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 29-07-2012 13:36
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baseballlover312 wrote:
CountArach wrote:
PCM rulezz wrote:
Leipheimer had a "good" season until he had his fibula fracture. In San luis and Paris - Nice he was one of the better riders. So that's why I think 78 is ok. He was able to follow Wiggens and Conatador.
Being the best at San Luis isn't worth a lot to be honest. And he was 4th up Mende, which is not really the best gauge of mountain lcimbing. He was also outside the top 30 in the Tour in the last 2 years. 78 would be way too high for that, as it would mean he would be top 10-15 for sure.
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Does Costa have 78?
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 29-07-2012 13:38
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Spilak23 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
CountArach wrote:
PCM rulezz wrote:
Leipheimer had a "good" season until he had his fibula fracture. In San luis and Paris - Nice he was one of the better riders. So that's why I think 78 is ok. He was able to follow Wiggens and Conatador.
Being the best at San Luis isn't worth a lot to be honest. And he was 4th up Mende, which is not really the best gauge of mountain lcimbing. He was also outside the top 30 in the Tour in the last 2 years. 78 would be way too high for that, as it would mean he would be top 10-15 for sure.
Suisse
Does Costa have 78?
He should. But I think he peaked for it. 77 fpor both IMO.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 29-07-2012 14:18
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baseballlover312 wrote:
CountArach wrote:
PCM rulezz wrote:
Leipheimer had a "good" season until he had his fibula fracture. In San luis and Paris - Nice he was one of the better riders. So that's why I think 78 is ok. He was able to follow Wiggens and Conatador.
Being the best at San Luis isn't worth a lot to be honest. And he was 4th up Mende, which is not really the best gauge of mountain lcimbing. He was also outside the top 30 in the Tour in the last 2 years. 78 would be way too high for that, as it would mean he would be top 10-15 for sure.
Suisse
...Where the better climbers weren't in form. I could just as easily point to Catalunya.
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| MartijnVDD |
Posted on 29-07-2012 14:38
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Teddy The Creator wrote:
+1 I agree. Just because Boonen beat you once in a bunch-sprint doesn't mean his stat is too high. Maybe if he wins stages in the Tour with a fully fit Cav and Greipel, but not one unspecified stage.
It was the second stage of the Tour de France (Visé - Tournai) against a fully fit Cav and Greipel (+1 form) in single stage mode (so no career).
That was only one example by the way, he finishes quite high too often to be realistic. In both super sprints and mass sprints.
I'm not complaining 'cause I'm a huge Boonen fan and I don't mind see him winning, but it was quite impossible.
Edited by MartijnVDD on 29-07-2012 14:39
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| diogo288 |
Posted on 29-07-2012 14:45
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Rui Costa finished top 20 in TdF after reaching his form peak in Suisse, he should have 77 indeed
He also finished in top 15 of the Olimpics, and won Tour de Suisse, among other great results.
He is a very complete rider, who should be well rated in this PCM, he improved a lot. |
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 29-07-2012 15:51
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You shouldn't rate stats by what happens when you're playing. You should compare one rider stats with the other rider stats.
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| Maximka |
Posted on 01-08-2012 14:30
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I think that you guys should review stats for team Itera-Katyusha. That team is the best continental team in uci ranking and had won many races.
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