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kumazan
Well, at least Petacchi could get some wins, and he was arguably better than Farrar in the Tour. But I agree it's time to lower old Ale-Jet stats.
 
baseballlover312
When Faarrar doesn't sprint ofr half the sprint stages, it's hard to judge his sprint. Pfft
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Pellizotti2
I'd give Farrar 77, tops. Maybe 78 if he starts winning some races.

He's really overrated if you ask me. Guys like Blythe and Oss matched him on some stages in Qatar.
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If yoou go purely onresults I'd give Farrar a 74.
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Spilak23
baseballlover312 wrote:
If yoou go purely onresults I'd give Farrar a 74.


Stats are based on results in the two last years so 74 would be way too low for someone who won a straight mass sprint in the tour de france. 78 sounds right for me.
 
Pellizotti2
Spilak23 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
If yoou go purely onresults I'd give Farrar a 74.


Stats are based on results in the two last years so 74 would be way too low for someone who won a straight mass sprint in the tour de france. 78 sounds right for me.

A sprint where Cavendish was hindered by a crash however. Has to be noted.
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baseballlover312
Pellizotti2 wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
If yoou go purely onresults I'd give Farrar a 74.


Stats are based on results in the two last years so 74 would be way too low for someone who won a straight mass sprint in the tour de france. 78 sounds right for me.

A sprint where Cavendish was hindered by a crash however. Has to be noted.

Oh, I don't remember Cav crashing during the sprnt and using his flying powers to get over the line in the top 5. Pfft
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Spilak23
baseballlover312 wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
If yoou go purely onresults I'd give Farrar a 74.


Stats are based on results in the two last years so 74 would be way too low for someone who won a straight mass sprint in the tour de france. 78 sounds right for me.

A sprint where Cavendish was hindered by a crash however. Has to be noted.

Oh, I don't remember Cav crashing during the sprnt and using his flying powers to get over the line in the top 5. Pfft


It was a sharp turn were a lot of guys missed the turn, Cav was hindered by it.
 
lluuiiggii
Just to remember Pfft


So yeah, he beat R. Feillu and Rojas from those who were competing for the win. I agree with 78. Farrar doesn't seem as he's lost that much speed to explain his results, it just seems he can mess up something everytime...
 
Miguel98
I think that José Gonçalves needs a boost in his TT ability and in the MO+Hil stat. He won the TT Champs in Portugal, so probably a 70 TT stat should be good. About his MO stat, he beated Iker Camano in the last stage of GP Torres Vedras, so probably a 68 MO stat should and probably a 69 HIL stat should be good to. It would give him the chance of fighting for small races but not fight for the big races.
 
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Not the only DB I've seen it in, but why does Matt Lloyd have 59 FL? I see him as around 65 at least.
 
valverde321
Farrar 78 for me Smile

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Also I have done some testing since Alakagom is away and Luigi doesn't own PCM 12 I think, so it might be hard to do some testing, but I suggest that you optimize the stats to fit PCM 12, and what I mean by that is lowering the Resistance stats of all riders.

I have tested in career mode, various mountain stages, with the officialrelease, and PCM.daily and the officialrelease had much better gameplay on mountains.

In the Daily DB I had pelotons of 75+ riders, and it was impossible to attack 90% of the time.

With the officialrelease, I immediately noticed that I could break away from the main group thru attacking again, and I had regularly sized groups of 5-6 riders. I noticed this even more, the further I tested this theory.

Just a heads up.

The stats aren't fully to blame though, the latest patch did alter the gameplay a bit.
Edited by valverde321 on 27-07-2012 00:41
 
Avin Wargunnson
valverde321 wrote:
Also I have done some testing since Alakagom is away and Luigi doesn't own PCM 12 I think, so it might be hard to do some testing, but I suggest that you optimize the stats to fit PCM 12, and what I mean by that is lowering the Resistance stats of all riders......


True that, there is a reason why it is changed in original database for this year, it seems important for riders ability to hang longer in the main group in mountains, but it is hard to tell what is done by resistance stat and actual changes in 1.2.0.0 patch as you mentioned...
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 27-07-2012 06:35
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CrueTrue
We addressed that issue in one of the first posts in this thread.

Besides, as I've shown with my tests, the mountain gameplay is (also) screwed up in the Official DB, so before 'fixing' any stats, I'd first like to see whether the last patch (whenever it's released) changes anything in regard to the AI. It'd be quite annoying to make new stats for all riders only to find out that those changes are worthless because of patch changes.

Anyway, as said, I think Alakagom mentioned that in one of the first posts of this thread. Also, Luigi does own the game Wink
 
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diogo288
CrueTrue wrote:

Besides, as I've shown with my tests, the mountain gameplay is (also) screwed up in the Official DB


Same problem here! Lets see if the patch corrects that
 
lluuiiggii
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
True that, there is a reason why it is changed in original database for this year, it seems important for riders ability to hang longer in the main group in mountains, but it is hard to tell what is done by resistance stat and actual changes in 1.2.0.0 patch as you mentioned...

It has not changed in the original database this year, the matrix for resistance has been the same in the Off Release since PCM09 at least Sad
 
AiZaK
Tyler Farrar 78 for me too. But Moreno Moser, what do you think???
 
emre99
Less recovery - Greipel
More hill - Cavendish
79 SP - J.J.Rojas
78 SP - Farrar
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baseballlover312
emre99 wrote:
Less recovery - Greipel
More hill - Cavendish


Why more hill for Cav?

Edit: I agree with Rojas, he shouldn't be penalized for crashing out.
Edited by baseballlover312 on 27-07-2012 18:10
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emre99
baseballlover312 wrote:
emre99 wrote:
Less recovery - Greipel
More hill - Cavendish


Why more hill for Cav?


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