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Ideas for 2012
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| Smowz |
Posted on 29-11-2010 16:06
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Heine: That is a clever idea - I am probably the extreme case (I have a number of riders who will not race at all this year) - but there are a large amount of squads who have an excess of race days with their squad.
Of course this may not stop certain races from being short staffed - the Tour of America is the obvious example but may stop some small fields in shorter races. |
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| SotD |
Posted on 29-11-2010 17:09
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I really hate drafting systems. It takes all the fun out of the game imo. The off season is the best part by a huge margin, because I get to work with my skills as a seller. If I was to pick between riders not being able to get a superb team then I would probably not be very interested in the game.
Transfer period is what it's all about for me...
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 29-11-2010 17:43
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Rin wrote:
Just 1 idea:
I think there should be some "talent developing refund" if a young rider goes FA or will be bought from a team and gained XP from 1-3 level last season
Maybe there could be a restriction to this, as I think the money could be used more to pay transfer fees instead on training riders, so that money you become, could be used just on training young riders?
I dont really understand what you mean there. Can you try to clarify what exactly the 'refund' is for?
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| Setzel |
Posted on 29-11-2010 17:48
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Its like the english rule for u-23 football players if they are signed under the age of 23 the forming club gets a fee .
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 29-11-2010 17:51
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Well when you sell riders, it generally is the case that you get a fee for it.
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| Heine |
Posted on 29-11-2010 17:55
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I think he meant in future transfers. Say I train Haavardsholm now (level 1 rider), then sells him later. Then the team I sold him to sells him again next season. Since I was hit "motherclub" I get a part of the transfer money.
I think it would be too hard to keep track off tbh
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 29-11-2010 18:02
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The thing is though, its not really comparable to football. In football, a smaller team may lose a promising player theyve developed for financial reasons, or because the player wants to leave and go to a bigger club.
But in the man game, theres nothing to force you to sell or release any of your riders. The only reason that you would be selling a player youve developed is that you no longer want him, or like the offer being made.
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| Smowz |
Posted on 01-12-2010 18:26
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Okay - yet another little idea I was having when reading fenian's post on the Tour of Luxembourg.
CTour currently has two classifications HC and C1, teams may pick up to 12 HC races and fill up the rest of their racedays with c1 races.
Also CTour teams can pick try for wildcards for Protour races - this gives the teams in this division a lot of freedom to pick and choose which is great.
It would be nice if there was a chance to see Protour teams mixing it up a bit other than the wild card system.
Here is the idea - a category of races between Protour and HC, though I really do not know what to call it let us say 'Pro-Am' whereby a Protour teams mix with CTour teams. Using a selection system similar to the HC selection system and a points system that would gather points towards their respective tours.
Probably works against the KISS principal - but thought I would put it out there... |
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| Kami |
Posted on 01-12-2010 18:27
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Smowz wrote:
fenian_1234 wrote:
Not related to this, but I think a team like Vesuvio should have a team at this race. I've suggested it before - the Pro Tour teams should be able to mix a little with the Conti teams in their home races.
I have had these thoughts too, but it raises some questions:
1) What would Vesuvio gain from this?
2) Would the other teams race it knowing that they had to face Vesuvio?
3) Would Vesuvio have to use up race days?
It seems like a good idea to give Protour teams a chance to race in these sorts of races, but I am not sure the Continental tour would work very well if you had Pro Tour teams in some but not all c1 races.
I will post a slight variation on this suggestion in the ideas forum and wait for a combination of SotD, rjc and SN to shoot it down in flames 
Quoted from the Tour of Luxembourg race thread.
Not a bad idea, but the idea of CT is that it's "weaker". So if F. Schleck would suddenly show up that would take away valuable race points from CT Teams. You could give points to only CT riders, but that would involve extra work and some managers might care more about the prestige of winning a stage/classic, than the points.
Also, wouldn't be fun for CT teams if suddenly Cunego shows up at hilly classics. So overall, it might not rly work out well and we already have the wildcard system anyways.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 01-12-2010 18:45
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I dont think another division is the right way to go about it.
If PT teams were ever to ride in CT, theyd have to send relatively weak teams, as in theyd struggle to win, but then the argument is whats the point of them doing it at all?
Id love to be able to ride my Luxembourg domestiques in the Tour of Luxembourg - and all have race days to spare that could be used on it - but Id assume appeal is limited to the more nationalistic PT teams.
Itd probably need something like no riders above X average, or X individual stat. And then that it uses race days aswell, to further prevent the best riders - aswell as limiting the amount of times a team can do it per season.
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 01-12-2010 18:56
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Perhaps set up a [temporary] loaning system of riders? Say that someone like Marc Machado really wants to ride some more cobble races in France, and he's only at level 1 exp, and below 67 average, so Auber can loan him out, at our own race day cost (for that rider) to Team Z who use him, and gain points for him, should he get any results, whilst in return Auber gain the exp points (to help Machado go up to level 2 exp - I know he's already at it, but if he wasn't) plus some token pre-arranged monetry fee? Or a return arranged loan. I know some pro teams could do with a rider to fill in a spot especially in the Paris-Nice, Tirreno and Volta(? is it?) time in the calender. What would harm them if a rider could pop up. Perhaps a limit of only allowing this exchange maybe 3 times a season? I don't know if there should be a limit on CT to PT riders on temp loan, I suspect there should be. Maybe again below an average of 70? And it does? or doesn't? come out of their race days?
In some cases, I doubt some pro tour teams have spare riders. In Aubers case, I have far too many. But that's cos their all mostly a bit rubbish 
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| OlegTinkov |
Posted on 01-12-2010 19:50
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In my opinion, after reading 111 posts about ideas for 2012, none of the suggestions (sofar) will make the game better.
Edited by OlegTinkov on 26-11-2014 22:23
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 01-12-2010 20:12
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am i right in sayiing that your idea rjc is short-term loans? it sounds interesting although arranging loans might be difficult mid-season (not that i'd know (sn?))
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 01-12-2010 20:28
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1) What would Vesuvio gain from this?
2) Would the other teams race it knowing that they had to face Vesuvio?
3) Would Vesuvio have to use up race days?.
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1. Mainly 'fun' at seeing your team ride in your home race. XP could be gained for riders - but fun would be the main aim.
2. I think as SN says there would need to be a stat limit on it, something like no riders over 75 average from the PT. Alternatively, the big names might ride but their stats be hacked to reflect that they're just their to show their face for the sponsors. This would involve more work though.
3. I'd say it should work just like CT wild cards. You don't use up race days, you don't gain any points, but can pick up some XP for riders. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 01-12-2010 20:34
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OlegTinkov wrote:
In my opinion, after reading 111 posts about ideas for 2012, none of the suggestions (sofar) will make the game better.
Agreed.
Except for my doping idea which no one commented on |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 01-12-2010 20:49
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so you'd need something that randomly picks a few out of the doped riders to test positive. also if your rider was caught, you could lose a lot from your budget the following season (cos of the bad publicity).
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 01-12-2010 20:59
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CrueTrue wrote:
OlegTinkov wrote:
In my opinion, after reading 111 posts about ideas for 2012, none of the suggestions (sofar) will make the game better.
Agreed.
Except for my doping idea which no one commented on
Cos it's bollocks.
They're all on drugs to get the stats they've got anyway.
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
am i right in sayiing that your idea rjc is short-term loans? it sounds interesting although arranging loans might be difficult mid-season (not that i'd know (sn?))
Short term loans for one, two, or three races at random points throughout the season (they could be back to back races, or they could be the first and last race of the season). It's prearranged during transfers as part of the contract/loan agreement. In fact, the riders involved would get their own Loan Topic. In the topic, the races the riders were going to be doing would be written down. SN, myself and whoever does the teams race sheets would then add in the short term loan riders into the respective sheets, and ensure all other races apart from the ones they're meant to be in are blacked out. Just like stagiares have this season.
If I've got my time line mucked up, which I don't think I have, and calender and race choosing comes after transfers, then it don't work. Nor, to be honest, does it have much use. I don't see the point in a ProTour sending down a "good" rider to race a race if it uses up the good riders race days. I see the point in conti going to pro for experience, but most pro guys don't need the experience from the low down races. So, yeah, meh. I'm kinda inclined to agree with Oleg so far. |
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| Levi4life |
Posted on 01-12-2010 21:12
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How this for an idea: A vuvuzella sound file to play along with the stage reports.
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| rycadinho |
Posted on 01-12-2010 21:15
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How this for an idea: A vuvuzella sound file to play along with the stage reports.
Doping...vuvuzella horns...I'm already looking forward to see a peloton with a avg at 85 battling in the alpes to the beautiful sound of the vuvuzella horn.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 02-12-2010 00:47
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I have my own so I could record the sound, can't see how it would make the man game better but I'm always happy to help
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