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Ronde van Nederland Discussion
jandal7
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Posted on 01-10-2018 00:28
Ronde van Nederland
2 Bumpy (1 uphill finish) | 1 Flat

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It's time for the first ever Ronde van Nederland, and over three days the riders will take on an intriguing trio of stages: One mostly flat but with some bumps and a sprint finish with 1.2-0.4km to go basically at 4-5% before a false flat finish, one pretty much all flat and one with a very hilly start before an undulating rest of the way with some steep pitches but a long flat finish. The F1-style bonuses means consistency is key, which means unless we see a dramatic solo win by a puncheur, this race is probably one for the punchy sprinters who can contest the win on Stage 1, for the top 5 on Stage 2 and for the top 10 on Stage 3, and gaining many bonuses.

Spoiler
SPRHIL
Aegon - LavazzaGroenewegenDylan8266
Aegon - LavazzaBauhausPhil7861
Aegon - LavazzaSbaragliKristian7766
Aegon - LavazzaTrilliniWalter7373
Aegon - LavazzaDe BieSean7283
Aegon - LavazzaThurauBjörn6675
Aegon - LavazzaOlivierDaan6476
Aegon - LavazzaBoomLars6074
Air France - KLMClarkeSimon7962
Air France - KLMTronetSteven7561
Air France - KLMHagenEdvald Boasson7385
Air France - KLMLietaerEliot6676
Air France - KLMEdetNicolas6177
Air France - KLMHivertJonathan6071
Air France - KLMPuccioSalvatore6066
Air France - KLMMartinGuillaume5971
Aker - MOTEngerSondre Holst8169
Aker - MOTVeselyDaniel8168
Aker - MOTTrentinMatteo7574
Aker - MOTOssDaniel7474
Aker - MOTTrondsenTrond Hakon7271
Aker - MOTVakocPetr7180
Aker - MOTLhotellerieClément5964
Aker - MOTWalslebenPhilipp5866
Azteca - NBCSNGranjel CabreraRaúl8069
Azteca - NBCSNKeoughLuke7962
Azteca - NBCSNMartinezJuan7260
Azteca - NBCSNCowanAlexander6868
Azteca - NBCSNWeissEthan6773
Azteca - NBCSNPowlessNeilson6467
Azteca - NBCSNAnderbergHampus6068
Azteca - NBCSNRobergeAdam6062
Bennelong - MitcheltonHowardLeigh8268
Bennelong - MitcheltonEdmondsonAlexander7764
Bennelong - MitcheltonArchboldShane7362
Bennelong - MitcheltonMcCormickHayden7271
Bennelong - MitcheltonWohlerAlex7166
Bennelong - MitcheltonBobridgeJack6983
Bennelong - MitcheltonLanePatrick6376
Bennelong - MitcheltonDyballBenjamin6173
Berg CyclesSilvestreFabio8067
Berg CyclesMcEvoyJonathan7576
Berg CyclesGuerreiroRuben7273
Berg CyclesSchachmannMaximillian6975
Berg CyclesDestriboisAlex Ariya6175
Berg CyclesBartlDavid6072
Berg CyclesJacobsenTormod5971
Berg CyclesGebremedhinAwet5569
DesigualZabelRick8169
DesigualMaksimovRoman8160
DesigualContrerasEmiliano7668
DesigualTsatevichAlexey7577
DesigualGebrezgabihierAmanuel6677
DesigualSvabJernej6671
DesigualJonesCarter6372
DesigualSiriwardenaKashyapa5872
EA VesuvioVan der LijkeNick8176
EA VesuvioReimerMartin7775
EA VesuvioPaterskiMaciej7075
EA VesuvioMraouniSalah Eddine7069
EA VesuvioGastauerBen6782
EA VesuvioKneiskyMorgan6767
EA VesuvioTarvisPeeter6472
EA VesuvioKittelMarcel6064
eBuddyGrosuEduard8373
eBuddyJiangZhihui7366
eBuddyGertsFloris7276
eBuddyCalmejaneLilian7175
eBuddyLammertinkMaurits6876
eBuddyVermeltfoortCoen6474
eBuddyLammertinkSteven6368
eBuddyLampaertYves6066
Evonik - ELKOVan StayenMichael8479
Evonik - ELKOVan AvermaetGreg7775
Evonik - ELKODzamastagicMark7670
Evonik - ELKOEislersIngus7566
Evonik - ELKODe VreeseLaurens7072
Evonik - ELKONooytensSven6964
Evonik - ELKONeilandsKrists6767
Evonik - ELKOStoltzYannick6268
Festina - DexiaTzortzakisGeorgos8164
Festina - DexiaSantosEmerson7864
Festina - DexiaBarJocelyn7770
Festina - DexiaAckermannPascal7572
Festina - Dexiavan der HugenhabenRobin6779
Festina - DexiaLe RouxRomain6575
Festina - DexiaVliegenLoic6572
Festina - DexiaKastrantasCharalampas6275
GazelleFurdiBlaz6977
GazelleSenyenovRoman6877
GazelleHoflandMoreno6876
GazellePottsMarc6874
GazelleGinanniFrancesco6582
GazelleZordanAndrea6577
GazelleTratnikJan6177
GazelleVervaekeLouis6072
Grieg - EftelBoeckmansKris8168
Grieg - EftelBakelantsJan7384
Grieg - EftelRingheimJo Kogstad7367
Grieg - EftelVan EmdenJos7266
Grieg - EftelVinkMichael6475
Grieg - EftelOlssonMichael6373
Grieg - EftelVan NiekerkAidan6272
Grieg - EftelGillettRhys5972
Hugo BossKristoffAlexander8368
Hugo BossHavikYoeri7964
Hugo BossAberasturiJon7964
Hugo BossLigthartPim7058
Hugo BossMinguez AyalaMiguel6675
Hugo BossGonzalez SalasMario6160
Hugo BossRichardsonChequan6066
Hugo BossAramendíaJavier5867
Isostar SlovenijaKumpMarko8177
Isostar SlovenijaKamberajXhuliano7568
Isostar SlovenijaKorosecRok7370
Isostar SlovenijaRumacJosip7370
Isostar SlovenijaKalabaDusan7368
Isostar SlovenijaWyssMarcel6875
Isostar SlovenijaMohoricMatej6781
Isostar SlovenijaPernsteinerHermann6177
Kraftwerk Man MachineCavendishMark8365
Kraftwerk Man MachineHallerMarco8065
Kraftwerk Man MachineKrederWesley7775
Kraftwerk Man MachineGoughWestley7664
Kraftwerk Man MachineFlügelAleksandar6881
Kraftwerk Man MachineMehr-WenigeDietmar6678
Kraftwerk Man MachineDenzNico6374
Kraftwerk Man MachinePolittNils5965
Moser - SygicCroketLars7965
Moser - SygicHoffmanNolan7767
Moser - SygicSaganPeter7382
Moser - SygicHnikKarel7264
Moser - SygicMoscaJacopo6573
Moser - SygicBorošMichael6473
Moser - SygicPolnickyJiri6372
Moser - SygicVysnaMatej5376
Porto - PrioAadelReda7254
Porto - PrioBorgesBruno7178
Porto - PrioMasLluis7165
Porto - PrioNareklishviliGiorgi6668
Porto - PrioBetilsonManuel6265
Porto - PrioAfonsoLuis5777
Porto - PrioNascimentoRodrigo5668
Porto - PrioSilvaBruno5073
RBC Pro CyclingHouleHugo7975
RBC Pro CyclingYoungEric7869
RBC Pro CyclingLaporteChristophe7273
RBC Pro CyclingBassoLeonardo7069
RBC Pro CyclingCarpenterRobin6674
RBC Pro CyclingNaudPatrick6473
RBC Pro Cyclingvan ZylJohann6274
RBC Pro CyclingSoucyMarc-Antoine6167
T-MobileAltanzulMaani7669
T-MobileSchwarzmannMichael7464
T-MobileVan GarderenTejay7082
T-MobileMuhlbergerGregor6873
T-MobileWöhrerDavid6674
T-MobileBuchmannEmanuel6578
T-MobileVeyheTorkil5566
T-MobileMcCutcheonConnor5370
Team Puma - SAPDemareArnaud8279
Team Puma - SAPFellineFabio7477
Team Puma - SAPWackermannLuca7474
Team Puma - SAPHadiJanvier7472
Team Puma - SAPCavagnaRémi7373
Team Puma - SAPArndtNikias7176
Team Puma - SAPBolJetse6276
Team Puma - SAPDunneConor6274
Team TinkoffPorsevAlexander7966
Team TinkoffSamolenkovArtem7864
Team TinkoffManakovViktor7058
Team TinkoffSenechalFlorian6967
Team TinkoffTrakhovDmitry6672
Team TinkoffZakarinIlnur6577
Team TinkoffSulimovAlexander6570
Team TinkoffChernetskiySergey6378
Team UBSReinhardtTheo7967
Team UBSPageDylan7666
Team UBSBohliTom7467
Team UBSReichenbachSebastien6379
Team UBSFumeauxJonathan6276
Team UBSSchärMichael6269
Team UBSSpenglerLukas5963
Team UBSRamos TiconaBasilio5474
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The GC Favourites
SprintersHISPACRSPuncheursHISPACRS
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_evo.png Van Stayen79847871pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_afr.png Hagen85737974
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_pum.png Demare79828172pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_grg.png Bakelants84737878
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_iso.png Kump77818073pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_aeg.png De Bie83727576
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_eav.png Van der Lijke76817971pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_bnm.png Bobridge83698074
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_ebd.png Grosu73838070pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_mos.png Sagan82737674
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_eav.png Reimer75778070pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_tmo.png Van Garderen82707975
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_evo.png Van Avermaet75777774pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_gzl.png Ginanni82657377
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_kmm.png Kreder75777871pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_eav.png Gastauer82677670
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_bgc.png McEvoy76757970pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_iso.png Mohoric81677772
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_des.png Tsatevich77757573pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_akm.png Vakoc80717471
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_akm.png Trentin74757671pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_kmm.png Flügel81687467
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_hug.png Kristoff68837971pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_prp.png Borges78718173
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_akm.png Enger69817873pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_pum.png Felline77747873
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_des.png Zabel69817970pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_ebd.png Gerts76727080
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_evo.png Dzamastagic70767872pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_ebd.png Calmejane75717475
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_fes.png Bar70777672pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_fes.png RVDH79676474
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_pum.png Hadi72747170pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_pum.png Arndt76717576
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_pum.png Wackermann74747274pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_tmo.png Buchmann78657173

If you look at the above table study the four top sprinters. You'd get very low odds on betting that one of them will take this one out. Perfectly suited to a race like this, all four of them could win Stage 1, top 5 Stage 2 and look to stick to the puncheurs on stage 3. pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_evo.png Van Stayen and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_pum.png Demare, permanent rivals, will be our top two contenders to take out the GC victory out of those four, as they both could be top names on a table of pure puncheurs or pure sprinters on the startlist here.

Those punchy sprinters will have to watch out for the likes of pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_afr.png Hagen and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_grg.png Bakelants though. If they manage to power clear on the late rises of Stage 3, and nab some bonus seconds in Stage 1's uphill finish, then they could overturn the deficit, particularly in Van Staeyen et al don't score too well on Stage 2. Watch out for recent Vuelta al Pais Vasco (against pretty much every other puncheur here bar Hagen) winner pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_bnm.png Bobridge as a dark horse to make it two GC wins within a fortnight, as the Aussie could has some serious time trial chops which he could utilise on the flat to rolling finish of Stage 3.

If there's no real decisive stages the focus could switch to a rider like pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_ebd.png Grosu, possibly the best sprinter here and definitely no slouch over some bumpy terrain, and if he doesn't concede time on Stage 3 then he could possibly outdo Van Stayen, Kump and Demare.

Sprinters
RiderSPRACCHILRiderSPRACCHIL
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_evo.png Van Stayen847879pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_akm.png Vesely818068
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_ebd.png Grosu838073pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_grg.png Boeckmans818368
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_hug.png Kristoff837968pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_fes.png Tzortzakis817764
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_vlv.png Ahlstrand838267pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_des.png Maksimov818460
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_kmm.png Cavendish838165pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_azt.png Granjel Cabrera807769
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_pum.png Demare828179pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_bgc.png Silvestre808167
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_bnm.png Howard827968pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_kmm.png Haller807965
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_aeg.png Groenewegen828166pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_rbc.png Houle797875
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_iso.png Kump818077pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_ubs.png Reinhardt798467
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_eav.png Van der Lijke817976pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_vlv.png Stallaert797667
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_akm.png Enger817869pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_tti.png Porsev798066
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_des.png Zabel817969pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_afr.png Clarke797862
 
tastasol
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Posted on 01-10-2018 06:59
Hope Boeckmans turns up for this race. A gamble to have Bakelants here, not knowing how hard those stages turn out. Could well be quite a large group on the third stage, fingers crossed that we will try to animate the race.
 
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Posted on 01-10-2018 07:03
Tricky race, but it seems that I haven't been the only one to take that gamble. Quite a startlist and obviously, those profiles could well end in weird and random bunch sprints. Still hoping for a somewhat "selective" final stage, where a late attack can make you outsmart the sprinters. Of course with Bobridge as the guy to do so Grin

No seriously high expectations though. But we will always have some pressure to deliver, so Bobridge and hopefully Howard (well....) may give their best here, please.

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OlegTinkov
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Posted on 01-10-2018 08:12
Some bonus points would be nice
 
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Gustavovskiy
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Posted on 01-10-2018 09:39
Was looking forward to what Borges could do here, but now I'm more hopeful of a good result in Strade Bianche Pfft

Ardennes-like startlist, it should provide some good racing!
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alexkr00
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Posted on 01-10-2018 09:47
Let's build on that Sanremo result Smile
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ember
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Posted on 01-10-2018 09:49
A top 10 stage result is all I can ask, I think, as my team has some nice riders here, but none to really challenge for anything. It would be great though to see us go KoM hunting, I'll happily take Trentin in a breakaway on the final stage Pfft

This really should be between MVS and Démare, to continue the fun between them and their managers Grin
 
fintas
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Posted on 01-10-2018 10:24
I do not have high expectations for this race, so everything that comes above the minimum points will already be good.
I would like the team to try to enter the breaks and maybe fight for KoM
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knockout
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Posted on 01-10-2018 11:58
Big expectations, big doubts if i made a good call basically sending my flat team and sending all my puncheurs to Italy and big pressure on Van Stayen to beat Demare.
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viking90
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Posted on 01-10-2018 15:25
Well, will be fun to see if Ahlstrand can repeat what he did in Czech this time with Stallaert as leadout. All about stage hunting for us here since we dont have any GC guy here.
 
cio93
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Posted on 01-10-2018 16:42
Win goal for us, with a cautiously optimistic expectation being to get on the podium first. Stage 1 will already play a big role in whether we can dream big here, and objectively, a route couldn't look any better for Demare.

Obviously, a packed startlist for those three race days, but beyond Demare I hope my team can keep up on stage 3 and amass decent stage placings for a good final GC behind the guys taking bonus seconds (as in Top 15 onward, I would guess). As the preview table shows, we have lots of depth for this kind of race.
 
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Posted on 01-10-2018 19:23
Considered Koretzky for this one, but ended up giving him another one-day race instead. So I have no expectations from this race whatsoever.
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DubbelDekker
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Posted on 01-10-2018 21:03
If stage 3 is very selective we have a chance of a good result. A small chance.
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Heine
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Posted on 02-10-2018 09:35
I hope Tejay can do something on the last stage. He should be among the best puncheurs here, and should be far enough behind from bonus seconds to be interested in attacking.
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DaveTwoBob
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Posted on 02-10-2018 21:51
Mainly here for xp which nearly went horribly wrong when I forgot to schedule the riders who needed the xp!

Would love to see us form a train for Cav but doubt it. Flugel could go well on the lumpy bits.
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tastasol
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Posted on 03-10-2018 13:19
First sign of "Boeckmans not being totally shit" this season. That's good. Decent from Bakelants, all though I'd hoped to see him closer to the top, especially given that TJ, Sagan and EBH got some bonus seconds.

A podium without surprises today, though MSR winner Van der Lijke disappointed a bit. Congrats to cio though. I would guess that Van Staeyen passed Demare again on the next stage, so all set for a thrilling end to the race.
 
fintas
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Posted on 03-10-2018 13:46
well played by the team, with no one able to discuss the stage victory the only option was to put a man on the break and that's what we did. Leadership at KoM for at least two days now guarantees a few extra points. The rest of the team as usual was pretty bad.
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roturn
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Posted on 03-10-2018 14:01
The next race where my sprinters are ignored...at least De Bie in front rows...GC against bonus second sprinters will be hard but as home race was needed.
To be fair, not the best suited stage though, so might as well have been mio energy, we'll see on the next.

But far too many opportunities missed already, which will make staying up in PT difficult.
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knockout
Top  #19 Print Post
Posted on 03-10-2018 14:05
No big surprises on the opening stage is good. 2nd on the stage is good too especially with Greg claiming some potentially very valuable bonus seconds as well. Thanks for the report and congrats to cio for his last stage win in this race Wink
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cio93
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Posted on 03-10-2018 14:48
Huzzah! Brilliant setup by the team, on level with the Evonik monster train up until Demare could take care of himself just fine. A tense final ramp with a delicate balance between catching Greg in time, but not acting as a leadout himself either.
Thanks for a great report of those moments!

GvA hopefully helps knockout's mood. Thanks mate, I wouldn't mind both of us missing out from now on Wink



Not entirely happy with the stage placings of Arndt and Cavagna, who both could get minor points at the end of these three days in GC and U25 respectively and could've used a low sum in the end. A very minor thing though.
 
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