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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 02-01-2023 19:24
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It was fun to follow this race, glad we were in it and thanks for the great reports from Ulrich!!
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 02-01-2023 22:53
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Congrats to PHL and the other jersey winners (especially Bernal with that fantastic last mountain stage), and thanks a lot to Ulrich for the great series of reports!
As promised in the ranking thread, here are the full points for the Giro for some better overview:
| 1 | Pierre-Henri Lecuisinier | Evonik - ELKO | 1076 | | 2 | Arnaud Demare | Team Puma - SAP | 705 | | 3 | Egan Bernal | Polar | 662 | | 4 | Pavel Sivakov | Tinkoff - La Datcha Team | 466 | | 5 | Sam Oomen | Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam | 436 | | 6 | Eduard Grosu | Huski Chocolate | 428 | | 7 | Dion Smith | King Power | 408 | | 8 | Angel Madrazo | Bralirwa - Stevens | 359 | | 9 | Fredrik Strand Galta | MOL Cycling Team | 302 | | 10 | Warren Barguil | Team UBS | 257 | | 11 | Jan Hirt | Moser - Sygic | 239 | | 12 | Louis Meintjes | De Stijl Cycling | 230 | | 13 | Dylan Groenewegen | Aegon - Peroni | 225 | | 14 | Simon Yates | Zwift Pro Cycling | 219 | | 15 | Takeaki Amezawa | Aker - MOT | 203 | | 16 | Tao Geoghegan Hart | Isostar - Specialized | 163 | | 17 | Aaron Van Poucke | Aker - MOT | 154 | | 18 | Alberto Dainese | Aker - MOT | 152 | | 19 | Joao Almeida | Duolingo | 150 | | 20 | Jasper Philipsen | Polar | 147 | | 21 | Brandon McNulty | MOL Cycling Team | 141 | | 22 | Sigurd Nesset | Grieg-Maersk | 137 | | 23 | Neilson Powless | Zwift Pro Cycling | 131 | | 24 | Francesco Bongiorno | ISA - Hexacta | 119 | | 25 | Wilco Kelderman | Los Pollos Hermanos | 118 | | 26 | Miltiadis Giannoutsos | ELCO - ABEA | 117 | | 27 | Patrick Bevin | King Power | 112 | | 28 | Denys Karnulin | Gazelle | 108 | | 29 | Cees Bol | De Stijl Cycling | 101 | | 30 | Marc Goos | Aegon - Peroni | 99 |
Spoiler | 31 | Alex Kirsch | EA Vesuvio | 99 | | 32 | Primoz Roglic | King Power | 88 | | 33 | Dominik Neuman | Moser - Sygic | 85 | | 34 | Trond Hakon Trondsen | Grieg-Maersk | 82 | | 35 | Yuttana Mano | King Power | 80 | | 36 | Alan Banaszek | Tinkoff - La Datcha Team | 78 | | 37 | Joshua Gayral | Isostar - Specialized | 77 | | 38 | Michail Mavrikakis | ELCO - ABEA | 65 | | 39 | Louis Vervaeke | Gazelle | 64 | | 40 | Keagan Girdlestone | EA Vesuvio | 62 | | 41 | Ka Hoo Fung | King Power | 62 | | 42 | Gabriel Cullaigh | cycleYorkshire | 61 | | 43 | Matvey Mamykin | Tinkoff - La Datcha Team | 59 | | 44 | Muhammad Abdurrahman | Team UBS | 57 | | 45 | Martins Blums | Evonik - ELKO | 55 | | 46 | Ignacio Jesus Prado | Moser - Sygic | 55 | | 47 | Jan Drago Petelin | Isostar - Specialized | 50 | | 48 | Anatoliy Sosnitskiy | Gazelle | 49 | | 49 | Benjamin Brkic | Grieg-Maersk | 47 | | 50 | Jonathan Lastra | Grieg-Maersk | 47 | | 51 | Ziga Rucigaj | EA Vesuvio | 46 | | 52 | George Alexandru Stancu | MOL Cycling Team | 46 | | 53 | Frederico Figueiredo | Gazelle | 45 | | 54 | Giovanni Carboni | Aegon - Peroni | 44 | | 55 | Ruben Guerreiro | De Stijl Cycling | 44 | | 56 | Emiliano Contreras | ISA - Hexacta | 42 | | 57 | Daniel Munoz | Los Pollos Hermanos | 42 | | 58 | Andris Vosekalns | Evonik - ELKO | 41 | | 59 | Tosh Van der Sande | Duolingo | 40 | | 60 | Stylianos Farantakis | ELCO - ABEA | 40 | | 61 | Aleksey Rybalkin | Tinkoff - La Datcha Team | 40 | | 62 | Attila Valter | EA Vesuvio | 38 | | 63 | Dmitry Trakhov | Tinkoff - La Datcha Team | 36 | | 64 | Rigoberto Uran | Tinkoff - La Datcha Team | 36 | | 65 | Andreas Leknessund | Gazelle | 35 | | 66 | Antonio Barbio | Team UBS | 35 | | 67 | Alexander Foliforov | Tinkoff - La Datcha Team | 32 | | 68 | Davide Appollonio | Moser - Sygic | 31 | | 69 | Valens Ndayisenga | Bralirwa - Stevens | 27 | | 70 | Patrick Konrad | Gazelle | 27 | | 71 | Pedro Sequera | Team UBS | 27 | | 72 | Tim Kennaugh | cycleYorkshire | 25 | | 73 | Tim Dees | Gazelle | 25 | | 74 | Ion Izagirre | Polar | 25 | | 75 | Sakchai Phodingam | King Power | 24 | | 76 | Thery Schir | Team UBS | 24 | | 77 | Michael Van Stayen | Duolingo | 23 | | 78 | Patrick Müller | Team UBS | 23 | | 79 | Daniel Felipe Martinez | ISA - Hexacta | 21 | | 80 | Eriks Toms Gavars | Evonik - ELKO | 20 | | 81 | Kaspars Sergis | Evonik - ELKO | 20 | | 82 | Byron Munton | EA Vesuvio | 19 | | 83 | Charalampas Kastrantas | ELCO - ABEA | 19 | | 84 | Davide Villella | Isostar - Specialized | 18 | | 85 | Vadim Pronskiy | Isostar - Specialized | 18 | | 86 | Hector Carretero Millan | MOL Cycling Team | 18 | | 87 | Karol Andrzej Domagalski | MOL Cycling Team | 18 | | 88 | Andreas Stokbro | Aker - MOT | 16 | | 89 | Ioannidis Kiriakidis | ELCO - ABEA | 16 | | 90 | Nikolaos Ioannidis | ELCO - ABEA | 16 | | 91 | Ilia Koshevoy | ISA - Hexacta | 16 | | 92 | Jhonatan Narvaez | Zwift Pro Cycling | 16 | | 93 | Giulio Ciccone | Aegon - Peroni | 15 | | 94 | Jaka Primozic | Aker - MOT | 15 | | 95 | Mektel Eyob | Bralirwa - Stevens | 15 | | 96 | Thomas Pidcock | cycleYorkshire | 15 | | 97 | Inigo Elosegui | De Stijl Cycling | 15 | | 98 | Michael Hepburn | EA Vesuvio | 15 | | 99 | Farzad Khodayari | Evonik - ELKO | 15 | | 100 | Sakari Lehtinen | Evonik - ELKO | 15 | | 101 | Ildar Arslanov | Gazelle | 15 | | 102 | Mathieu Van der Poel | Grieg-Maersk | 15 | | 103 | Ide Schelling | Huski Chocolate | 15 | | 104 | Valerio Conti | Huski Chocolate | 15 | | 105 | Getachew Sendeku | ISA - Hexacta | 15 | | 106 | Juan Osorio | ISA - Hexacta | 15 | | 107 | Daniel Alexander Jaramillo | Isostar - Specialized | 15 | | 108 | Viktor Verschaeve | Isostar - Specialized | 15 | | 109 | Giovanni Aleotti | Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam | 15 | | 110 | Maxim Van Gils | Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam | 15 | | 111 | Pedro Pablo Pereyra | MOL Cycling Team | 15 | | 112 | Jakub Otruba | Moser - Sygic | 15 | | 113 | Jan Brockhoff | Polar | 15 | | 114 | Christian Mager | Team Puma - SAP | 15 | | 115 | Valentin Madouas | Team Puma - SAP | 15 | | 116 | Yikui Niu | Team Puma - SAP | 15 | | 117 | Dominik Fuchs | Team UBS | 15 | | 118 | Yuriy Natarov | Team UBS | 15 | | 119 | Harold Tejada | Zwift Pro Cycling | 15 | | 120 | Juan Pedro Lopez | Zwift Pro Cycling | 15 | | 121 | Matteo Jorgenson | Zwift Pro Cycling | 15 | | 122 | Mauri Vansevenant | Aegon - Peroni | 13 | | 123 | Javier Romo | cycleYorkshire | 13 | | 124 | Stefan De Bod | De Stijl Cycling | 13 | | 125 | Mohamad Izzat Hilmi Abdul Halil | Los Pollos Hermanos | 13 | | 126 | Cristian Munoz | Aegon - Peroni | 11 | | 127 | Ivano Lo Cicero | MOL Cycling Team | 11 | | 128 | Houcaine El Sabbahi | Bralirwa - Stevens | 10 | | 129 | Joel Suter | cycleYorkshire | 10 | | 130 | Norman Vahtra | Duolingo | 10 | | 131 | Janos Pelikan | EA Vesuvio | 10 | | 132 | Morten Hulgaard | Grieg-Maersk | 10 | | 133 | Bas Van der Kooij | Huski Chocolate | 10 | | 134 | Nik Cemazar | Team Puma - SAP | 10 | | 135 | Akil Campbell | Zwift Pro Cycling | 9 | | 136 | Itamar Einhorn | Aegon - Peroni | 8 | | 137 | Thomas Koep | Aegon - Peroni | 8 | | 138 | Alexander Kamp | Aker - MOT | 8 | | 139 | Alexander Konychev | Aker - MOT | 8 | | 140 | Edison Bravo | Aker - MOT | 8 | | 141 | Moise Mugisha | Bralirwa - Stevens | 8 | | 142 | Samuel Mugisha | Bralirwa - Stevens | 8 | | 143 | Elia Viviani | cycleYorkshire | 8 | | 144 | Frederik Rodenberg | cycleYorkshire | 8 | | 145 | Michael O'Loughlin | cycleYorkshire | 8 | | 146 | Edoardo Affini | De Stijl Cycling | 8 | | 147 | Enzo Wouters | De Stijl Cycling | 8 | | 148 | Sandy Nur Hasan | De Stijl Cycling | 8 | | 149 | Cameron Scott | Duolingo | 8 | | 150 | Davide Gabburo | Duolingo | 8 | | 151 | Joel Yates | Duolingo | 8 | | 152 | Kaden Groves | Duolingo | 8 | | 153 | Willie Smit | EA Vesuvio | 8 | | 154 | Aimiliano Vila | ELCO - ABEA | 8 | | 155 | Georgios Stavrakakis | ELCO - ABEA | 8 | | 156 | Piotr Havik | Evonik - ELKO | 8 | | 157 | Mathias Norsgaard | Grieg-Maersk | 8 | | 158 | Stanislau Bazhkou | Grieg-Maersk | 8 | | 159 | Jordi Meeus | Huski Chocolate | 8 | | 160 | Julius Van den Berg | Huski Chocolate | 8 | | 161 | Maurits Lammertink | Huski Chocolate | 8 | | 162 | Omer Goldstein | Huski Chocolate | 8 | | 163 | Diego Agustin Ferreyra | ISA - Hexacta | 8 | | 164 | Salah Eddine Mraouni | ISA - Hexacta | 8 | | 165 | Idar Andersen | Isostar - Specialized | 8 | | 166 | Michael Vanthourenhout | King Power | 8 | | 167 | Rune Herregodts | King Power | 8 | | 168 | Aaron Verwilst | Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam | 8 | | 169 | Dilmurdjon Siddikov | Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam | 8 | | 170 | Viktor Potocki | Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam | 8 | | 171 | Alejandro Osorio | Los Pollos Hermanos | 8 | | 172 | Guillermo Andres Beltran | Los Pollos Hermanos | 8 | | 173 | Matthew Walls | Los Pollos Hermanos | 8 | | 174 | Robinson Steven Ruiz | Los Pollos Hermanos | 8 | | 175 | Jimmy Muhindo | MOL Cycling Team | 8 | | 176 | Daniel Turek | Moser - Sygic | 8 | | 177 | Michal Kukrle | Moser - Sygic | 8 | | 178 | Siim Kiskonen | Moser - Sygic | 8 | | 179 | Artem Nych | Polar | 8 | | 180 | Carlo Noia | Polar | 8 | | 181 | Riccardo Putti | Polar | 8 | | 182 | Stefano Oldani | Polar | 8 | | 183 | Jannik Steimle | Team Puma - SAP | 8 | | 184 | Kelland O'Brien | Team Puma - SAP | 8 | | 185 | Miguel Heidemann | Team Puma - SAP | 8 | | 186 | Dmitry Strakhov | Tinkoff - La Datcha Team | 8 | | 187 | Simon Carr | Zwift Pro Cycling | 8 |
| 1 |  | Evonik - ELKO | 1250 | | 2 |  | Polar | 881 | | 3 |  | King Power | 790 | | 4 |  | Team Puma - SAP | 784 | | 5 |  | Tinkoff - La Datcha Team | 755 | | 6 |  | Aker - MOT | 564 | | 7 |  | MOL Cycling Team | 559 | | 8 |  | Huski Chocolate | 500 | | 9 |  | Team UBS | 453 | | 10 |  | Moser - Sygic | 449 | | 11 |  | Zwift Pro Cycling | 428 | | 12 |  | De Stijl Cycling | 427 | | 13 |  | Aegon - Peroni | 423 | | 14 |  | Gazelle | 368 | | 15 |  | Isostar - Specialized | 364 | | 16 |  | Grieg-Maersk | 354 | | 17 |  | EA Vesuvio | 297 | | 18 |  | ELCO - ABEA | 289 | | 19 |  | Duolingo | 255 | | 20 |  | ISA - Hexacta | 244 | | 21 |  | Los Pollos Hermanos | 205 | | 22 |  | cycleYorkshire | 148 |
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 02-01-2023 23:27
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Abdul Halil again up the front with 1km to go, and then vanishes to 48th place. What the fuck?
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| seancoll |
Posted on 03-01-2023 06:13
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amazing set of reports! thanks for keeping us engaged all tour! congrats to the winners |
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| ember |
Posted on 03-01-2023 06:19
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Thank you for your great reports and all the work these three weeks, UU!
Also big congratulations to knockout on the expected GC win, but it still has to be done, and PHL was very convincing.
Sensational Giro for us with three riders scoring just more than 150 points. We hoped for breakaway appearances from Amezawa and maybe a KoM fight for him. We got that, but then we got stage wins from Dainese and Van Poucke on top of that. Very happy with how it played out for us. |
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| tastasol |
Posted on 03-01-2023 07:04
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Another top 10 to finish it off. It might just be the GT with most top 10s for us, bar the year with Phinney? At least the second half of it. Happy with how the race went for us and scoring it ended up quite nicely, considering the line up.
Congrats on the win, knockout, and congrats to all others who did well.
Also a big, big thanks to Ulrich for all the great reports!
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 03-01-2023 08:22
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Yeah, I could really use those points..
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Nemolito |
Posted on 03-01-2023 09:13
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Eden95 wrote:
Abdul Halil again up the front with 1km to go, and then vanishes to 48th place. What the fuck?
I asked him not to score too many points so you can easily renew his contract 
But indeed strange to see it happen, not for the first time from him in this Giro. I suppose it has something to do with flat/physical stats.
Congratulations to roturn on the final stage win, and to knockout on winning this Giro! Thanks to the great stage win from Kelderman we are not the red lantern of our first GT. One where we definitely had some higher hopes, but that stage win will forever be remembered.
One final big thank you to Ulrich for 21 superb and passional reports that were a treat to read from beginning to the end.
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| Imladrik |
Posted on 03-01-2023 09:34
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As the others pointed out, it was a very nice read all along this Giro, even without being in it. Thank you very much Ulrich.
And yeah, crushing victory for PHL - congrats knockout - with some help from Isostar as well. |
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 03-01-2023 09:49
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Imladrik wrote:
And yeah, crushing victory for PHL - congrats knockout - with some help from Isostar as well.
If I had to pick any team to support it would be Evonik, so happy for their successful Giro. Also congrats to Bikex, cio, Oleg and the other big3 sprinters for their great tours! Was a fun ride, also due to the awesome coverage!
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 03-01-2023 22:44
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Not sure how to feel about Grosu's Giro. By this season's standards, it was pretty great, but I feel like some opportunities were left on the road.
Then again, in terms of points it looks pretty good. Too bad no one else did anything notable in our team.
Thanks for the reports, UU, and congrats to knockout!
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 03-01-2023 23:17
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Stage 20 was a real killer for us, with Almeida dropp8ng 5 positions in the GC. Undeserved after all he did, but such is the Man-Game and cycling. Pretty decent performance from him anyway. Too bad we brought a team of hilly sprinters who did very close to nothing. Especially Van Stayen who almost has more race days than points.
Awesome Giro throughout though. Loved the reports. Lecuisinier's poise, Oomen's flair, Smith's crazyness and the battles for the jerseys. Congrats everyone and thanks again Ulrich for giving life to this beautiful event!
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 04-01-2023 00:37
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Thanks for the report Ulrich! Always fun to follow as a neutral.
Lecuisinier did what he was asked to do, as he should. You always want more points when you send someone as strong as him, but in the end Evonik now gets a Giro victory. TDF is next on their menu!
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| SotD |
Posted on 04-01-2023 08:00
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A bit late, but a big congrats to Lecuisinier and knockout for completing the task of winning all three Grand Tours. To top that, Lecuisinier has also won the U25 competition of all 3 Grand Tours. Can anyone match that?  Cunego, Herklotz, Phinney?
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| DubbelDekker |
Posted on 04-01-2023 17:46
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First of all; amazing reporting. Great job Ulrich!
We had a relatively anonymous Giro, but there were some highlights for sure:
1) That Team Classification battle with King Power was awesome. Very strong team performance to grab the lead in the penultimate mountain stage. But equally impressive response by King Power in the last one. Deserved winners; congrats.
2) Karnulin had many good stages and 13th in GC is a solid job by him. Vervaeke, Sosnitskiy and Figueiredo also didn't disappoint.
3) Cool to see both Geoghegan Hart and Powless have a good and active Giro.
And of course congrats to knockout for the overall win
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| knockout |
Posted on 05-01-2023 17:38
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First of all, thank you for a great race coverage. Awesome report after awesome report, was always a joy to read them. Thanks!
Then thanks for all the congrats along the way and at the end of the race!
Finally, thanks to Isostar so that i could enjoy at least some stage success 
I'm very happy with the race outcome. Sure, it can always be better but we got the win that i wanted so strongly and while the scoring could have been more dominant if we would have been able to control breaks better, we got some stage wins and a lot of days in pink. I always said priority this year is the GC victory to check this race off my list and rankings implications are a bit secondary.
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| OlegTinkov |
Posted on 09-01-2023 05:00
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Although the 10 seconds between Bernal and Sivakov is unfortunate, a podium place at a Grand Tour is way above mine expectations. Thanks for the ride Ulrich Ulriksen!
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