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Vuelta a España 2017 - Preview/Week 1
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 25-08-2017 16:43
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nt Rojas  |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 25-08-2017 16:44
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I like UAE, Colnago is always super classy.
Xorret de Cati tomorrow, a rather legendary climb in the Vuelta. Chaves FTW! |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 25-08-2017 17:10
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FINALLY a big win for Mohoric. I wanted to say that he wasted all those years at Vaughters but then I realized that he jumped ship just after one year and he is just 22 years old haha. Damn he has been around for at least 4 years now. Just a shame that at Lampre he never properly grew, but I hope this is a sign of things to come.
Even for Vuelta standards, this race is unusually great for outsiders and breakaways so far.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 25-08-2017 17:14
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Its more than your standard murito, Catà is a beast of a climb.. still not harder than Los Muchachos, but thats not really a murito given its length. Still by far the hardest climbed they have faced, I fear Nibali will lose a minute if they go full retard like they have done uphill so far. |
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 25-08-2017 17:43
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My main man Matej Mohoric!!!  Showed some great form lately and now finally went clear. Stuff looked great already when he was with the Etixx guys on the crosswind stage but called back to Modolo, now he got his well deserved result. That is some amazing news 
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| LuckyLukas |
Posted on 25-08-2017 17:43
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this are not quite serious cobble stones. And dont forget Froome did survive tour "Roubaix" stage quite easily.
I'm aware of that but if they increase tempo and froome has a mechanical, they don't "have to" wait  |
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| roturn |
Posted on 26-08-2017 09:13
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Barguil out of Vuelta due to decision by Team Sunweb.
Likely due to him not waiting on Kelderman yesterday when he needed help after a puncture.
Guess this is an easier decision since he is leaving the team anyway.  |
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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 26-08-2017 09:20
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 26-08-2017 09:50
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roturn wrote:
Barguil out of Vuelta due to decision by Team Sunweb.
Likely due to him not waiting on Kelderman yesterday when he needed help after a puncture.
Guess this is an easier decision since he is leaving the team anyway.
Taking for granted that Barguil was at vuelta like Kelderman domestique, unprofessional behaviour by both sides...
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| bah |
Posted on 26-08-2017 10:23
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roturn wrote:
Barguil out of Vuelta due to decision by Team Sunweb.
Likely due to him not waiting on Kelderman yesterday when he needed help after a puncture.
Guess this is an easier decision since he is leaving the team anyway.
They don't mention not waiting. They blame it on one his press statements.
Sunweb have been squeezing the most PR possible out of him since he decided to leave, by getting him to do interview after interview almost every day. Yesterday he said to a reporter he didn't feel like working for Kelderman. And that statement is the reason Sunweb are giving. |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 26-08-2017 11:11
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The correct decision, I wish more teams would have the guts to do this rather then the usual "we'll talk about the incident in private". He got every chance to get his career going at Sunweb and he repays them with breaking his contract and this insubordination.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 26-08-2017 11:57
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roturn wrote:
Barguil out of Vuelta due to decision by Team Sunweb.
Likely due to him not waiting on Kelderman yesterday when he needed help after a puncture.
Guess this is an easier decision since he is leaving the team anyway.
a little dick acting for Barguile.
Team helped him at tour ..now he says fuck you..I am leaving anyway |
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 26-08-2017 12:21
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It was nice to see a young rider like Matej Mohoric have his time in the spotlight  |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 26-08-2017 12:21
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Meh I can understand him. Sure Sunweb is his employer and pays his salary. But he has achieved far more than Kelderman at this point and with them all being so close in the GC (Oomen included), there is no need to sacrifice his chances for those of Kelderman. Especially since Kelderman is far from a real proven GT contender and we are talking about a Top 10 here. What's wrong with Barguil wanting a free role to hunt stages? It's one-sided treatment by Sunweb to favor a rider that will be with them next year. That is of course their right and their decision but Barguil doesn't have to agree with it.
Too bad for the Vuelta. Now one of the most attacking and entertaining riders has left the race.
@Ollfardh: As far as I understand, the breaking of contract was in agreement with Sunweb and they got a nice compensation for it, too. They were well aware after his breakout tour performance that either they would have to up him big in salary or allow him to leave. Besides that, sure Barguil got his career going at Sunweb but the return and spotlight he gave them at the Tour (and throughout the years..), should have hold value to Sunweb, too.
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 26-08-2017 13:17
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Barguil has requirements to ride TdF like main captain, nothing wrong about him if he want to go to his home GT without an heavy presence like Dumoulin in the same team. Separating from Sunweb was natural course of things. It's a pity that sunweb don't think the same, or at least act like it isn't
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 26-08-2017 14:03
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What are you guys talking about?
Pretty sure Barguil knew what he signed up for when he came to the Vuelta. Not dropping to help his leader yesterday is a dick move no matter how you put it. It's Sunweb who pay him so they have the right to ask him to do what he is told. He is here because of Sunweb, not the other way around. Same case with Landa at Sky in the Tour.
And Sunweb not respecting him? Didn't they let him go to another team where he could be the absolute leader like he wants and not have to work for others. Disrespecting him would have been forcing him to run out his contract and have him work for other or stop selecting him for races and ruin his career.
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 26-08-2017 14:28
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Shonak wrote:
Meh I can understand him. Sure Sunweb is his employer and pays his salary. But he has achieved far more than Kelderman at this point and with them all being so close in the GC (Oomen included), there is no need to sacrifice his chances for those of Kelderman. Especially since Kelderman is far from a real proven GT contender and we are talking about a Top 10 here. What's wrong with Barguil wanting a free role to hunt stages? It's one-sided treatment by Sunweb to favor a rider that will be with them next year. That is of course their right and their decision but Barguil doesn't have to agree with it.
That is just so wrong. Barguil has proven nothing in terms of being a GT rider. Kelderman came fresh from the Giro incident, where he looked strong before, preparing for captaining at La Vuelta. As Barguil has shown at Le Tour, you can have a great impact on a race even if you're not the strongest rider in the first week (and Warren was far worse in the first Tour Week than Kelderman at the Vuelta). Wilco is the designated leader, Barguil has to accept that if the team prepared their race like this. Kelderman captaining at La Vuelta was also planned way before Barguils departure, which makes it even more ridiculous.
Also Barguil is not an elite stage hunter, just because he had some good stage at the Tour de France this year. I bet Kelderman would've had more winning chances if he'd hunt for stages in the same manner than Barguil "planned" to do, he is the stronger rider at La Vuelta most likely.
Unacceptable behavior by Barguil, the right decision by Team Sunweb. Cycling is a team sport.
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| matt17br |
Posted on 26-08-2017 14:44
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That is just so wrong. Barguil has proven nothing in terms of being a GT rider. Kelderman came fresh from the Giro incident, where he looked strong before, preparing for captaining at La Vuelta. As Barguil has shown at Le Tour, you can have a great impact on a race even if you're not the strongest rider in the first week (and Warren was far worse in the first Tour Week than Kelderman at the Vuelta).
I don't necessarily agree with what Barguil has done, but this is also just so wrong. Barguil has shown a lot more in the Tour alone than Kelderman in the last 3 seasons, Grand Tours GCs wise. And that's because Barguil was coming from an injury and was clearly out of shape for the first week - and that's counting that he never had any GC ambitions, heck he probably felt lucky to be at the Tour - and still finished top 10.
Also Barguil is not an elite stage hunter, just because he had some good stage at the Tour de France this year.
What? Barguil is one of the very best stage hunters among the elite climbers, he has won 2 stages in this year's Tour and they could have been 3 if it wasn't for an unlucky photofinish - he didn't time his sprint extremely well and he was the only one of the winning group that came from the morning breakaway. Furthermore, he won 2 stages in the 2013 Vuelta, which yeah was a long time ago but was one of the best showings of his potential imo.
I bet Kelderman would've had more winning chances if he'd hunt for stages in the same manner than Barguil "planned" to do, he is the stronger rider at La Vuelta most likely.
Shoulda coulda woulda yeah, now you just have no basis for such a statement come on, Kelderman has to be one of the most boring stage racers in the peloton. As far as Dutchies go, he can't even touch Gesink's tactical intelligence and stage hunting skills. Like wow, the guy has no professional wins that aren't time trials (or a GC in the 2013 Denmark Tour because of a TT) and he Zubeldia'd his way to a couple of top 5s in WT stage races, that's not even close to the amount of talent Barguil has shown. Kelderman is Dutch, his peak was basically 3 years ago and will never get past that I'm afraid.
You can make an argument like that for someone like Adam Yates, that has turned into a much more boring version of his brother, but in 2014-2015 was stage hunting like crazy and showed quite a bit more potential than Simon.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 26-08-2017 15:05
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In 3 days time Kelderman will have crashed out and everyone will've forgot
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 26-08-2017 15:08
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sure about that Barguil took part of Vuelta for being a domestique?
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