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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 13-09-2016 09:29
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ivaneurope wrote:
It's painfully obvious that FDJ has the smallest budget among the WT teams and in fact it's comparable with that of an pro-Continental team.
They're budget is somewhere around middle of the pack in WT. and FDJ is known (just like Cofidis) to pay their riders very well.
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 13-09-2016 09:33
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Spilak23 wrote:
ivaneurope wrote:
It's painfully obvious that FDJ has the smallest budget among the WT teams and in fact it's comparable with that of an pro-Continental team.
They're budget is somewhere around middle of the pack in WT. and FDJ is known (just like Cofidis) to pay their riders very well.
I think a bigger problem for them, and a lot of French teams, is the pressure to sign predominantly French riders when there aren't any many good French riders around at the moment. A lot of French teams contain a lot of very average French riders.
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Posted on 13-09-2016 09:43
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ringo182 wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
ivaneurope wrote:
It's painfully obvious that FDJ has the smallest budget among the WT teams and in fact it's comparable with that of an pro-Continental team.
They're budget is somewhere around middle of the pack in WT. and FDJ is known (just like Cofidis) to pay their riders very well.
I think a bigger problem for them, and a lot of French teams, is the pressure to sign predominantly French riders when there aren't any many good French riders around at the moment. A lot of French teams contain a lot of very average French riders.
AG2R are recently the excpetion of that rule.
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| Strydz |
Posted on 13-09-2016 17:03
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ringo182 wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
ivaneurope wrote:
It's painfully obvious that FDJ has the smallest budget among the WT teams and in fact it's comparable with that of an pro-Continental team.
They're budget is somewhere around middle of the pack in WT. and FDJ is known (just like Cofidis) to pay their riders very well.
I think a bigger problem for them, and a lot of French teams, is the pressure to sign predominantly French riders when there aren't any many good French riders around at the moment. A lot of French teams contain a lot of very average French riders.
I don't think it's really a big issue for FDJ that they sign predominantly French riders, it gives the team some personality which is severely lacking in today's peloton, also the clearly look after the riders they have and have done well in bringing young French talent into the top level of the sport, they might be the best of the best but they are entertaining and clearly the model FDJ does have works as they've been around for some time now while newer teams have come and gone.
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 13-09-2016 17:26
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Strydz wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
ivaneurope wrote:
It's painfully obvious that FDJ has the smallest budget among the WT teams and in fact it's comparable with that of an pro-Continental team.
They're budget is somewhere around middle of the pack in WT. and FDJ is known (just like Cofidis) to pay their riders very well.
I think a bigger problem for them, and a lot of French teams, is the pressure to sign predominantly French riders when there aren't any many good French riders around at the moment. A lot of French teams contain a lot of very average French riders.
I don't think it's really a big issue for FDJ that they sign predominantly French riders, it gives the team some personality which is severely lacking in today's peloton, also the clearly look after the riders they have and have done well in bringing young French talent into the top level of the sport, they might be the best of the best but they are entertaining and clearly the model FDJ does have works as they've been around for some time now while newer teams have come and gone.
Well, Sky signs mostly british guys, Etixx mostly belgian, AG2R mostly french, Katusha mostly russian(so far), movistar mostly spanish....
There you have teams with some "personality"
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| the_hoyle |
Posted on 13-09-2016 17:35
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not really, 4 British riders in the last 3 years would be classed as 'mostly'. It is only 1 more than Polish riders joining the team
not a single Russian signed this year, and announced that they will have less Russians on the team going forward
Their solo signing so far is Italian...
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 13-09-2016 17:38
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Indeed. If you look at their squad's for this year Sky, Etixx and Katusha are all around 10 Brits, Belgians, Russians while FDJ has over 20 Frenchmen.
Main language in those teams is also not Dutch for Etixx or Russian for Katusha but English and Italian. While at teams like FDJ or LottoNL they mainly speak French/Dutch, something foreigners will have to adapt to.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 13-09-2016 17:41
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the_hoyle wrote:
not really, 4 British riders in the last 3 years would be classed as 'mostly'. It is only 1 more than Polish riders joining the team
not a single Russian signed this year, and announced that they will have less Russians on the team going forward
Their solo signing so far is Italian...
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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 13-09-2016 18:31
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Movistar is not all about Spaniards, but almost 90% of their team is Spanish-speaking |
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| tastasol |
Posted on 13-09-2016 18:45
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Regarding Katusha: They will be down to five Russians for next season.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 13-09-2016 18:50
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Aquarius97 wrote:
Movistar is not all about Spaniards, but almost 90% of their team is Spanish-speaking
Yeah, and the main reason why Movistar extended its contract through 2019 is Nairo; their Latin America market is huge. They would want to make it even bigger since thats the primary target of exposition. |
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| Roman |
Posted on 13-09-2016 19:01
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Leopold König has announced in an interview with a Czech newspaper that he is leaving Sky. Will announce his new team next Tuesday. Highly likely he is returning to Bora.
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 13-09-2016 19:10
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the_hoyle wrote:
not really, 4 British riders in the last 3 years would be classed as 'mostly'. It is only 1 more than Polish riders joining the team
not a single Russian signed this year, and announced that they will have less Russians on the team going forward
Their solo signing so far is Italian...
I was not talking about their 2017 signings, but how their team was like during the last years. Please read in context.
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| jph27 |
Posted on 13-09-2016 19:46
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the_hoyle wrote:
not really, 4 British riders in the last 3 years would be classed as 'mostly'. It is only 1 more than Polish riders joining the team
Polish is the 2nd most widely spoken language in the UK, so signing Poles is still like signing British riders in a way  |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 13-09-2016 21:09
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Paul23 wrote:
Strydz wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
ivaneurope wrote:
It's painfully obvious that FDJ has the smallest budget among the WT teams and in fact it's comparable with that of an pro-Continental team.
They're budget is somewhere around middle of the pack in WT. and FDJ is known (just like Cofidis) to pay their riders very well.
I think a bigger problem for them, and a lot of French teams, is the pressure to sign predominantly French riders when there aren't any many good French riders around at the moment. A lot of French teams contain a lot of very average French riders.
I don't think it's really a big issue for FDJ that they sign predominantly French riders, it gives the team some personality which is severely lacking in today's peloton, also the clearly look after the riders they have and have done well in bringing young French talent into the top level of the sport, they might be the best of the best but they are entertaining and clearly the model FDJ does have works as they've been around for some time now while newer teams have come and gone.
Well, Sky signs mostly british guys, Etixx mostly belgian, AG2R mostly french, Katusha mostly russian(so far), movistar mostly spanish....
There you have teams with some "personality"
Sky only have something Like 10 Bristish riders, Etixx have 10 Belgians are a international team and have been for a while now, Katusha have never had any personality and there best riders have always been internationals, Movistar are certainly Spanish dominated, AG2R haven't had the same French connection like FDJ but Bardet has saved them a little this season.
I also never said that FDJ was the only team with personality, I just said the way they go about the riders they sign and the way they race gives them personality and that personality is lacking in today's peloton.
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| Strydz |
Posted on 15-09-2016 10:09
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Reichenbach (FDJ), Farrar (Di Data), Ten Dam (Giant), Howson (OBE), Duchesne (Direct Energie) all sign extensions.
Daniele Ratto and Seb Chavanel announce they will retire.
Chris Horner continues his good luck since that Vuelta win with his latest team announcing they are folding at seasons end https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/horne...n-in-2017/
Edited by Strydz on 15-09-2016 10:15
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Posted on 15-09-2016 10:15
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Strydz wrote:
Reichenbach (FDJ), Farrar (Di Data), Ten Dam (Giant), Howson (OBE), Duchesne (Direct Energie) all sign extensions.
Daniele Ratto and Seb Chavanel announce they will retire.
I like that move from Reichenbach, I don't like it from Farrar. Ten Dam and Howson also solid domestiques for their teams. Shame with Ratto, he really looked talented at some points...
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 15-09-2016 10:32
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Hermans (BMC) and Vanendert (Lotto) also sign extensions. Both for one year, just like Armee (Lotto) while Van der Sande (Lotto) signs a 2 year extension
Edited by Spilak23 on 15-09-2016 13:11
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| Strydz |
Posted on 15-09-2016 10:36
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Croatia14 wrote:
Strydz wrote:
Reichenbach (FDJ), Farrar (Di Data), Ten Dam (Giant), Howson (OBE), Duchesne (Direct Energie) all sign extensions.
Daniele Ratto and Seb Chavanel announce they will retire.
I like that move from Reichenbach, I don't like it from Farrar. Ten Dam and Howson also solid domestiques for their teams. Shame with Ratto, he really looked talented at some points...
From all accounts Ratto has lost motivation since stepping down from WT level which is understandable, still young enough to take some time off and come back to it if he chooses too. What's wrong with Farrar extending? He's a leadout rider at best on this level, maybe he could of stepped down a level and raced with one of the US Pro Conti/Conti squads.
Howson deserved a pay bump after his performances at the Giro and Vuelta riding for Chaves, he's not as talented as some but works hard so it's good to see it starting to pay dividends.
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Posted on 15-09-2016 11:40
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A little sad Farrar has extended but in the end it's what he wants and good on him for it.
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