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21 and Done - April Draft
Croatia14
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Posted on 04-10-2018 14:33
Inspired by Projects like the Grand High Wizard Contest and threads like "Who is going to be the next GT winner?", it's time to bring up a continuous minigame that unites a small management/scouting side with a prediction game. Let's kick off "21 and Done".

The rules are as easy as they could get. You build a team by drafting riders that have to be 21 years old or younger. This really is the only rule. Draft positions are random for the 2 kick-off draft rounds (1 -> X, X -> 1), afterwards former draft positions will determine chances for certain draft positions in the future. After the kick-off draft there will be 4 drafts each year, for which you can sign-up in beforehand. The draft positions will be posted 2-1 days in advance. You can only acquire riders via drafting.

Kick-off Draft:

- 21.10.2018
- 21:21 daily time
- 21 hours on the clock
- Starting with 2 rounds (1-n, n-1)
- Sign-Up is open from now on

Further timeline:

- New round every 3 months (21.2., 21. 5, 21.8., 21.11.)
- Sign-ups from 21 to 2 days before the draft starts
- Awards starting at the 21.12.

Draft System:

- Different system for kick-off draft than for future draft
- Randomized numbers (1-1000) determine draft ranking
- Each draft new draw of positions
- High pick in last round -> lower chance of high number in next round (lower range to reach up high f.e. 1-700)

How to draft:

- Your are allowed/wanted to post your choice in here yourself
- Draft lists are possible to send in if you can't post in time
- Make clear for everybody who you drafted!

Draft failures:

- If you post an invalid rider will be skipped
- If you post not in time (and didn't hand in a draft list) you will be skipped
- People are welcome to point out invalid drafts/order issues
- invalid drafts are allowed to be cancelled in hindsight even if unnoticed earlier without compensation

-> If you missed/failed your post, you can draft as soon as possible eventhough somebody else is on the clock

Eligeability:

- 21 or younger at the exact draft time
- male gender
- Pcm.daily time is the official game time
- Not the draft beginning time, but the time when you make your pick decides about whether a rider is eligeable or not
- No fictional riders are allowed

Award categories:

Gold, Silver and Bronze for:

- Strongest Team
- Smartest Chemistry
- Coolest rider combinations
- "Terrain Dominator"
- Surprise development of the year
- Steal of the year
- Rookie of the year

Anything else:

- There will be only this 1 thread
- Team posts/presentations are very welcome in here, same goes for discussions
- Proposals to riders prior to them being drafted is prohibited -> fine: loss of draft right
- Possible changes in future years potentially happening according to the development of the game (number of drafts in a year, influence of a pick for the next one,...)
- New managers are always welcome to join at a later point in this game
- skipping the draft has no consequences besides not receiving a rider in that
- if necessary by request, please provide evidence of the riders age (link website if no PCS/CQ/firstcycling age given)

Ideally this game never ends, riders leave your team when they retire. The goal is some sort of competition on who is going to project the future stars of this cycling world the best. This is a non-competitive game in the sense that the teams won't compete against each other (yet). So we have more of a scouting & predicting game than a management game. If wanted by the majority, it may be possible to add either a story based fictional voluntary cycling series or a more combat management version in the development process.

Sign-Ups are open now!
Edited by Croatia14 on 17-04-2021 11:30
 
Croatia14
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Posted on 04-10-2018 14:33
All-Time Draftlist


1jaxikaEgan Bernal
2kandesbunzler26Remco Evenepoel
3TheManxMissileJulius van den Berg
4trekbmcMarc Hirschi
5jandal7Robert Stannard
6FreitasPCMBjorg Lambrecht
7ShonakJhonatan Narváez
8Croatia14Iván Ramiro Sosa
9df_TrekStan Dewulf
10redordeadTadej Pogačar
11cio93Jasper Philipsen
12Aquarius97Mikkel Bjerg
13hillis91Alan Banaszek
14Ollfahrd
15AbhishekLFCMax Kanter
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16AbhishekLFCPascal Eenkhorn
17Ollfahrd
18hillis91Mark Donovan
19Aquarius97Brandon McNulty
20cio93Thymen Arensman
21redordeadDušan Rajović
22df_TrekPavel Sivakov
23Croatia14Thomas Pidcock
24ShonakMikkel Frølich Honoré
25FreitasPCMGino Mäder
26jandal7Bram Welten
27trekbmcNicola Conci
28TheManxMissileAidan van Niekerk
29kandesbunzler26Alexys Brunel
30jaxikaJulius Johansen
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31df_TrekMichael Storer
32jandal7Clément Champoussin
33AbhishekLFCJoao Almeida
34cio93Szymon Sajnok
35ShonakNils Eekhoff
36redordeadLuis Villalobos
37Ollfahrd
38Croatia14Kevin Rivera
39FreitasPCMAndreas Leknessund
40kandesbunzler26Michel Ries
41Aquarius97Maarten Kooistra
42jaxikaFilip Maciejuk
43TheManxMissileAidan van Niekerk
44trekbmcAlexander Evans
45hillis91
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46kandesbunzler26Žiga Jerman
47redordeadKarel Vacek
48ShonakNiklas Märkl
49Croatia14Sergio Andres Higuita
50jaxikaMatteo Sobrero
51FreitasPCMAndrea Bagioli
52df_TrekGerben Thijssen
53jandal7Eli Iserbyt
54cio93Biniyam Ghirmay
55Aquarius97Felix Gall
56trekbmcJaakko Hänninen
57TheManxMissile
58AbhishekLFCAlejandro Osorio
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59ShonakIlan van Wilder
60kandesbunzler26Jake Stewart
61TheManxMissile
62trekbmcKevin Vermaerke
63df_TrekVadim Pronskiy
64AbhishekLFCAlberto Dainese
65cio93Thibau Nys
66jandal7Giovanni Aleotti
67redordeadStefan Bissegger
68jaxikaAttila Valter
69Aquarius97Samuele Battistella
70Croatia14Kaden Groves
71FreitasPCMBarnabas Peak
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72Croatia14Andres Camilo Ardila
73jaxikaMauri Vansevenant
74FreitasPCMJonas Rutsch
75ShonakMarco Brenner
76AbhishekLFCFilippo Zana
77jandal7James Fouché
78df_TrekBrent Van Moer
79kandesbunzler26Ben Tulett
80Aquarius97Jordi Meeus
81cio93
82trekbmc
83redordeadMarijn van den Berg
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84redordeadAlex Molenaar
85df_TrekQuinn Simmons
86AbhishekLFCMatteo Jorgenson
87jandal7Andrea Piccolo
88kandesbunzler26
89FreitasPCMAntonio Tiberi
90trekbmc
91cio93Einer Augusto Rubio
92Aquarius97Leo Hayter
93jaxikaCarlos Rodriguez
94Croatia14Santiago Buitrago
95ShonakFlorian Vermeersch
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96ShonakHidde van Veenendaal
97Croatia14Magnus Sheffield
98jaxikaFabio Mazzucco
99Aquarius97Iñigo Elosegui
100cio93Lars Boven
101trekbmc
102FreitasPCMMarco Frigo
103kandesbunzler26
104jandal7Maurice Ballerstedt
105AbhishekLFCAlexander Konychev
106df_TrekEnzo Leijnse
107redordeadSebastian Berwick
81cio93Thibau Nys
6FreitasPCMJ.Alexander Cepeda
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108Aquarius97
109df_TrekAlfred Wright
110FreitasPCMOlav Kooij
111cio93
112ShonakViktor Verschaeve
113trekbmc
114kandesbunzler26
115jaxikaSamuel Watson
116AbhishekLFCNatnael Tesfazion
117jandal7Andreas Kron
118Croatia14Alessandro Fancellu
119redordeadSavva Novikov
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120redordeadKristjan Hočevar
121Croatia14Jesús David Peña
122jandal7Alessandro Covi
123AbhishekLFCYevgeniy Fedorov
124jaxikaSøren Wærenskjold
125kandesbunzler26
126trekbmc
127ShonakMarius Mayrhofer
128cio93
129FreitasPCMFilippo Conca
130df_TrekJuan Ayuso
131Aquarius97
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132valverde321Micheal Garrison
133valverde321Lewis Askey
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134jandal7Hugo Toumire
135jaxikaJohan Price-Pejtersen
136df_TrekGijs Leemreize
137redordeadLane Maher
138FreitasPCMAlexandre Balmer
139AbhishekLFCErik Bergstrom Frisk
140ShonakMichel Hessmann
141valverde321Mattia Petrucci
142Croatia14Sean Quinn
143valverde321Hugo Page
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144df_TrekKevin Colleoni
145jandal7Finn Fisher-Black
146jaxikaHenri Vandenabeele
147ShonakFrederik Wandahl
148Croatia14Cian Uijtdebroeks
149redordeadJonathan Milan
150FreitasPCMMaxim van Gils
151AbhishekLFCXandres Vervloesem
152valverde321Mathias Vacek
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153valverde321Tobias Lund Andresen
154AbhishekLFCTaj Jones
155FreitasPCMJavier Romo
156redordeadVeljko Stojnić
157Croatia14Santiago Umba
158ShonakMaxime Chevalier
159jaxikaTobias Bayer
160jandal7Corbin Strong
161df_TrekWilliam Blume Levy
162valverde321Mauro Schmid
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163redordeadLuke Plapp
164FreitasPCMAndrii Ponomar
165jaxikaMattias Skjelmose Jensen
166ShonakFlorian Lipowitz
167DarkWolfAbner Gonzalez
168valverde321Valentin Paret-Peintre
169AbhishekLFCMatis Louvel
170jandal7Alessandro Baroni
171df_TrekIdar Andersen
172Croatia14Daniel Arroyave
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173Croatia14Raúl García Pierna
174df_TrekJacob Hindsgaul Madsen
175jandal7Thomas Champion
176AbhishekLFCMarkus Pajur
177valverde321Rait Ärm
178DarkWolfYesid Pira
179ShonakAlan Boileau
180jaxikaAnders Halland Johannessen
181FreitasPCMArnaud de Lie
182redordeadBen Healy
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183DarkWolfJarrad Drizners
184valverde321Didier Merchan
185DarkWolfNicolas David Gomez
Edited by Croatia14 on 07-05-2021 10:31
 
Croatia14
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Posted on 04-10-2018 14:33
Teams & Draft History


i.imgur.com/0dAdD5T.jpg


AbhishekLFC

Max Kanter
Pascal Eenkhoorn
Joao Almeida
Alejandro Osorio
Alberto Dainese
Filippo Zana
Matteo Jorgenson
Alexander Konychev
Natnael Tesfazion
Yevgeniy Fedorov
Erik Bergstrom Frisk
Xandres Vervloesem
Taj Jones
Matis Louvel
Markus Pajur

Aquarius97

Mikkel Bjerg
Brandon McNulty
Maarten Kooistra
Felix Gall
Samuele Battistella
Jordi Meeus
Leo Hayter
Iñigo Elosegui

cio93

Jasper Philipsen
Thymen Arensman
Szymon Sajnok
Biniyam Ghirmay
Einer Augusto Rubio
Lars Boven
Thibau Nys

Croatia14

Iván Ramiro Sosa
Thomas Pidcock
Kevin Rivera
Sergio Andres Higuita
Kaden Groves
Andrés Camilo Ardila
Santiago Buitrago
Magnus Sheffield
Alessandro Fancellu
Jesús David Peña
Sean Quinn
Cian Uijtdebroeks
Santiago Umba
Daniel Arroyave
Raúl García Pierna

DarkWolf

Abner Gonzalez
Yesid Pira
Jarrad Drizners
Nicolas David Gomez


df_Trek

Stan Dewulf
Pavel Sivakov
Michael Storer
Gerben Thijssen
Vadim Pronskiy
Brent Van Moer
Quinn Simmons
Enzo Leijnse
Alfred Wright
Juan Ayuso
Gijs Leemreize
Kevin Colleoni
William Blume Levy
Idar Andersen
Jacob Hindsgaul Madsen

FreitasPCM

Gino Mäder
Andreas Leknessund
Andrea Bagioli
J. Alexander Cepeda
Barnabas Peak
Jonas Rutsch
Antonio Tiberi
Marco Frigo
Olav Kooij
Filippo Conca
Alexandre Balmer
Maxim van Gils
Javier Romo
Andrii Ponomar
Arnaud de Lie

jandal7

Robert Stannard
Bram Welten
Clément Champoussin
Eli Iserbyt
Giovanni Aleotti
James Fouché
Andrea Piccolo
Maurice Ballerstedt
Andreas Kron
Alessandro Covi
Hugo Toumire
Finn Fisher-Black
Corbin Strong
Alessandro Baroni
Thomas Champion

jaxika

Egan Bernal
Julius Johansen
Filip Maciejuk
Matteo Sobrero
Attila Valter
Mauri Vansevenant
Carlos Rodriguez
Fabio Mazzucco
Samuel Watson
Søren Wærenskjold
Johan Price-Pejtersen
Henri Vandenabeele
Tobias Bayer
Mattias Skjelmose Jensen
Anders Halland Johannessen

kandesbunzler26

Remco Evenepoel
Alexys Brunel
Michel Ries
Žiga Jerman
Jake Stewart
Ben Tulett

redordead

Tadej Pogačar
Dušan Rajović
Luis Villalobos
Karel Vacek
Stefan Bissegger
Marijn van den Berg
Alex Molenaar
Sebastian Berwick
Savva Novikov
Kristjan Hočevar
Lane Maher
Jonathan Milan
Veljko Stojnić
Luke Plapp
Ben Healy

Shonak

Jhonatan Narváez
Mikkel Frølich Honoré
Nils Eekhoff
Niklas Märkl
Ilan van Wilder
Marco Brenner
Florian Vermeersch
Hidde van Veenendaal
Viktor Verschaeve
Marius Mayrhofer
Michel Hessmann
Frederik Wandahl
Maxime Chevalier
Florian Lipowitz
Alan Boileau

trekbmc

Marc Hirschi
Nicola Conci
Alexander Evans
Jaakko Hänninen
Kevin Vermaerke

valverde321

Michael Garrison
Lewis Askey
Hugo Page
Mattia Petrucci
Mathias Vacek
Tobias Lund Andresen
Valentin Paret-Peintre
Rait Ärm
Didier Merchan

TheManxMissile

Julius van den Berg
Ethan Hayter
Aidan van Niekerk

hillis91

Alan Banaszek
Mark Donovan
Edited by Croatia14 on 07-05-2021 10:43
 
FreitasPCM
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Posted on 04-10-2018 15:30
Sounds like my kind of game, I'm in. Smile And welcome back, Croatia!

Just one quick question, can I draft a rider born, for example, on October 23, 1997? Realistically he'll only be 21 years when the draft starts, though only for two days, and there's a very high chance that said rider won't race during those two days. Pfft
 
Croatia14
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Posted on 04-10-2018 17:04
cheers Freitas!

Just one quick question, can I draft a rider born, for example, on October 23, 1997? Realistically he'll only be 21 years when the draft starts, though only for two days, and there's a very high chance that said rider won't race during those two days.


- 21 or younger at the exact draft time
- Pcm.daily time is the official game time
- Not the draft beginning time, but the time when you make your pick decides about whether a rider is eligeable or not


If you announce your draft pick (or your draft pick is announced) in a valid way before the date he turns 22 (October 23rd), then he's eligible. If not, then bad luck - so yes, riders can turn ineligible while the draft is running if the time of his draftpick surpasses the date he turns 22 Smile
 
AbhishekLFC
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Posted on 04-10-2018 17:15
I'm in off course Smile

Although I do already know I won't have Daily access on 21st October (actually till 24th October), so I'll just send in a draft sheet.
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Posted on 04-10-2018 20:21
I'll give it a go Smile
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Posted on 04-10-2018 20:26
1) Get lucky on the draft order
2) Pick Remco Evenepoel
3) ????
4) Profit
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Posted on 04-10-2018 20:39
Sounds fun and sounds like it requires roughly 21 seconds of effort here and there Wink
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Posted on 04-10-2018 23:49
Is this a unisex game - could you draft women?
 
TheManxMissile
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Posted on 05-10-2018 00:08
Ulrich Ulriksen wrote:
Is this a unisex game - could you draft women?


As long as they are not fictional Wink

Or my interest takes a dive Pfft
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Posted on 05-10-2018 00:24
Sounds like exactly my cup of tea, count me in!

Evenepoel here, Evenepoel there, but Bernal would still be eligible too, right?
 
trekbmc
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Posted on 05-10-2018 00:34
Awesome! Really good idea for a game! Grin I'm probably going to accidently pick all the guys who fail to go pro, but I'll have a lot of fun doing it! Pfft



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Posted on 05-10-2018 01:00
In! Looks like a Jinx game Pfft
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FreitasPCM
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Posted on 05-10-2018 01:20
@Croatia, thanks, just what I thought. Also ignore my mistake, as any rider born in 23rd October 1997 (meant 1996) will be 21 in a couple of weeks and not 22. Pfft
 
Croatia14
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Posted on 05-10-2018 01:27
Thanks for all the entries so far! I can't wait to get this going Smile

cio93 wrote:
Evenepoel here, Evenepoel there, but Bernal would still be eligible too, right?


Both would be eligible, yes.

Of course a top pick is more valuable in this first ever draft with riders like Bernal and Evenepoel, which is hard to make up for. At first I thought of starting with the rounds in the first draft as compensation (1 - n, n - 1, n - 1), but I think it makes more sense if we just lower the possibility (declining) of a #1pick in the next couple of draft rounds for the lucky ones in this kick-off draft.

Ulrich Ulriksen wrote:
Is this a unisex game - could you draft women?


Well to be honest this is not intended, as the idea of this game is to predict something in one special cycling category: Men's Road Racing. Of course anybody can join this category at some point, even if they have other specializations (cyclocross, track racing,...). However, if you think a woman can become the next (Male Road Racing) Grand Tour/Monument winner or successful in this racing category, I can't stop you from picking them. Keep in mind that it does not really tackle the main idea of the game though Smile
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Posted on 06-10-2018 22:41
I'm in Grin
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Posted on 09-10-2018 10:58
Current Participants List


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Reaching double digits is nice, but looking at how many people love to talk about how good young prospects will become in the future I'm hoping for double the number once we draw the draft order. Get in Pfft
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Posted on 16-10-2018 21:59
3 days left for signups, hoping for some more participants in here Smile otherwise we'll be an elite group!
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