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Collaborative Tour de France by PCM FRANCE
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| grebiere |
Posted on 18-12-2015 13:39
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EMERGENCE OF THIS PROJECT
The best stagemakers of PCM France wanted to gather their skills in order to create a Tour de France. It isn't a contest, it is a collaborative work whose aim is to track and make the best Tour de France variant ever. The method we use is based on discussions, points of view exchanges and debates.
The collaborative Tour de France by PCM France will emerge from this method. Nobody creates his own Tour de France, we build it together through our suggestions.
We try to find some remarkable elements for each stage (history, architecture, gastronomy, landscape...) thanks to our discussions.
The key words are :
- High quality of the tracks
- High quality of the stages (on the Stage Editor PCM15)
- Realism
- Pay homage and tribute to France (and adjacent countries), tribute to its History, landscapes, gastronomy, architecture, heritage ... Everything which makes our country so beautiful.
METHOD AND ORGANISATION
1. We define a global philosophy for each week of race
2. We agree about a general structure between each transfer (type of stage, distance, directions ...)
3. Then, everyone posts his stage (one by one) considering the previous one.
4. Evaluation with sportive and aesthetic criteria to reach a consensus (no vote, only discussion)
5. We search some possible improvements of the stage
6. We approve the stage and the modelisation on SE can start
7. Then, we start again for the following week of race
Debates and discussions are led by the active stagemakers because they will make 80% of the job.
ACTIVE STAGEMAKERS
- Grebiere
- Leon
- Samuel14
- Ursul
- Will_Valverde
- 40 LL
- Johostile
Everyone can take part in the discussions ! Feel free to come in our topic :
https://legruppett...96#p479284
ENGLISH SPOKEN 
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Posted on 18-12-2015 13:49
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1. Lindau/Bodensee (All) - Konstanz (All) (203 km)
Lindau (405 m) ; Friedrichshafen (400 m) ; Côte d'Allerheiligen (701 m) cat 3 ; Sipplinger Berg (682 m) cat 3 ; Schienerberg (682 m) cat 3 ; Côte de Liggeringen (543 m) cat 4 ; Konstanz (400 m)
https://www.openrunner.com/index.php?i...id=4661223
Stagemaker : Leon40 In progress
2. Konstanz (All) - Freibourg im Brisgau (All) (179 km)
Konstanz (All) (399 m) ; Côte de Waldfrieden (774 m) cat 3 ; Münchingen (820 m) cat 3 ; Bärental (978 m) ; Freibourg im Brisgau (272 m)
https://eseifrance...rack/23671
https://drive.goo...sp=sharing
Stagemaker : Grebiere Done
3. Breisach am Rhein (All) - Müllheim (All) (179 km)
Breisach am Rhien (191 m) ; Waldkirch (270 m) ; Kandel (1202 m) cat 1 ; Schauinsland (1204 m) cat 1 ; Wiedener Eck (1035 m) cat 2 ; Côte d'Oberböllen (812 m) cat 4 ; Blauen (946 m) cat 3 ; Müllheim (267 m)
https://www.openru...id=4660315
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/qjwgk5lg2k2j845/AAApuWjXBLwsyRRt20H9enila?dl=0
Stagemaker : Will_Valverde Done
4. Mulhouse - Rougemont-le-Château (35 km) TTT
Mulhouse (243 m) ; Heimsbrunn (290 m) ; Soppe-le-Bas (350 m) ; Rougemont-le-Château (443 m)
https://www.openrunner.com/index.php?i...id=4662043
Stagemaker : Ursul In progress
5. Belfort - Le Champ du Feu (200 km)
Belfort (365 m) ; Ballon d'Alsace (1093 m) cat 2 ; Col du Hundsruck (748 m) cat 3 ; Grand Ballon (1343 m) cat 1 ; Munster (390 m) ; Col du Wettstein (882 m) cat 3 ; Col du Calvaire (1144 m) cat 2 ; Col des Bagenelles (903 m) cat 4 ; Col de Fouchy (608 m) cat 3 ; Le Champ du Feu (1100 m) cat 1 ; Le Champ du Feu (1000 m)
https://www.openrunner.com/index.php?i...id=4671384
https://www.mediaf...Leon40.rar
Stagemaker : Leon40 Done
6. Saint-Dié-des-Vosges - Commercy (195 km)
Saint-Dié-des-Vosges (340 m) ; Col du Haut Jacques (604 m) cat 3 ; Épinal (325 m) ; Col de la Main Noire (427 m) cat 4 ; Commercy (235 m)
https://eseifrance...rack/23902
Stagemaker : Samuel In progress
7. Bar-le-Duc - Laon (211 km)
Bar-le-Duc (186 m) ; Châlons-en-Champagne (81 m) ; Côte d'Avize (246 m) cat 4 ; Côte du Bois Joli (270 m) cat 4 ; Laon (177 m) cat 4
https://eseifrancesi.altervista.org/ap...rack/41345
Stagemaker : Grebiere Done
8. Saint-Quentin - Lille Métropole/Stade Pierre Mauroy (170 km - cobblestone)
Saint-Quentin (106 m) ; Denain (31 m) ; Villeneuve-d'Ascq (41 m)
https://www.openru...id=5416310
https://www.mediaf...Leon40.rar
Stagemaker : Leon40 Done
9. Lens/Musée du Louvre - Dieppe (189 km)
Lens (36 m) ; Mont du Quesnoy (130 m) cat 4 ; Saint-Valéry-sur-Somme (6 m) ; Le Tréport Terrasse (93 m) cat 4 ; Dieppe (12 m)
https://eseifrance...rack/41411 ou https://www.openru...id=5479981
https://www.mediaf...Leon40.rar
Stagemaker : Leon40 Done
[size=150]10. Clermont-Ferrand - Lyon (211 km)[/size]
Clermont-Ferrand (391 m) ; Thiers (305 m) ; Col Saint-Thomas (935 m) cat 2 ; Côte de St-Just-en-Chevalet (791 m) cat 3 ; Col de de la Croix des Fourches (778 m) cat 3 ; Col du Joncin (697 m) cat 2 ; Côte du Charnay (414 m) cat 4 ; Côte de Limonest (422 m) cat 3 ; Côte de Fourvière (298 m) cat 4 ; Lyon (174 m)
https://www.openrunner.com/index.php?i...id=5611319
https://www.partage-facile.com/DCEH91K...m.rar.html
Stagemaker : 40 LL Done
[size=150]11. Voiron - Réallon (196 km)[/size]
Voiron (294 m) ; Côte du Crozet (859 m) cat 2 ; Col de l'Holme (1213 m) cat 2 ; Col Bayard (1254 m) cat 3 ; Gap (730 m) ; Col Lebraut (1115 m) cat 2 ; Réallon (1554 m) cat 1
https://www.openrunner.com/index.php?i...id=5652300
Stagemaker : johostile Done
[size=150]12. Mont-Dauphin - Valberg (171 km)[/size]
Mont-Dauphin (1040 m) ; Col de Vars (2108 m) cat 1 ; Col de Larche (1991 m) cat 2 ; Pianche (980 m) ; Col de la Lombarde (2351 m) HC ; Col de la Couillole (1678 m) HC ; Valberg (1669 m) cat 4
https://www.openrunner.com/index.php?i...id=5697240
Stagemaker : grebiere In progress
[size=150]13. Saint-Sauveur-sur-Tinée - Monaco (163 km)[/size]
Saint-Sauveur-sur-Tinée (498 m) ; Col Saint-Martin (1503 m) cat 1 ; Col du Turini (1607 m) cat 1 ; Col de Braus (1002 m) cat 2 ; Col de Castillon (707 m) cat 3 ; Menton (5 m) ; Col de la Madone de Gorbio (926 m) cat 1 ; Monaco (1 m)
https://www.openrunner.com/index.php?i...id=5708709
Stagemaker : Leon40 In progress
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STAGE #2 - Grebiere
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Posted on 18-12-2015 13:57
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Stage #3 - Will_Valverde
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Posted on 18-12-2015 13:58
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Stage #5 - Leon40
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Posted on 18-12-2015 14:00
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Stage #8 - Leon40
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Posted on 18-12-2015 14:01
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Stage #9 - Leon40
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Posted on 22-12-2015 18:13
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Discussions about the second week of the collaborative
Tour de France will start the 26th of December
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Schedule :
1. Before tracking the stages, we have to define the shape of this second week :
- location/direction (Pyrénées or Alps)
- prohibited cols and finish climbs because too much appeared in the previous real editions
- the number of 1st category and HC cols (mini - maxi)
- a ITT or not
2. Define the philosophy of the tracks, three by three :
We will split this second week into two parts of three stages for the discussions.
For both part, we will define the philosophy in terms of direction, profile, location ...
3. Tracks proposed for the stages 10, 11 and 12 => brainstorming
4. Same as previous (points No. 2 and 3) for the stages 13, 14 and 15
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You can start to search your tracks
but discussions will start the 26th of December.
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Below, the active stagemakers who made the nine first stages :
- Will_Valverde
- Ursul
- Samuel
- Grebiere
- Leon40 aka toto40
Below, the presumed active stagemakers who can also make the next stages :
- ChRiS1021
- 40 LL
- vinzzz78
- valjo98
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Remind : we are looking for a consensus with the whole participants to build the best TDF variant ever. Nevertheless, final decisions will be taken by the active stagemakers.
Everybody is guested to take part in the discussions on the following topic :
https://legruppett...96#p479284
Thanks a lot for your future participation, hoping these discussions will be successful !
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| clamel |
Posted on 10-01-2016 23:51
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These are just brutal. Highest class, and my God what time and work you have put into these stages. I tested 9. Lens/Musée du Louvre - Dieppe (189 km) and was blown away. So detailed, and racing it is even better than the pictures look.
I do hope this project proceed and gets the whole TDF eventually, but that will take time if all the stages will be this HC-class standard 
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| grebiere |
Posted on 15-01-2016 13:37
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clamel wrote:
These are just brutal. Highest class, and my God what time and work you have put into these stages. I tested 9. Lens/Musée du Louvre - Dieppe (189 km) and was blown away. So detailed, and racing it is even better than the pictures look.
I do hope this project proceed and gets the whole TDF eventually, but that will take time if all the stages will be this HC-class standard
Thanks a lot Clamel !
Yes, all stages will be made with the same HC-class standard ! We wanna make the best TDF variant ever and we'll do it
I've just finished the seventh stage between Bar le Duc and Laon :
Test in-game :
1. Gerrans
2. Sagan mt
3. Kristoff +10"
4. Meerman mt
5. Navardauskas mt
6. Degenkolb mt
7. Sereing mt
8. Kwiatkowski mt
9. Mollema mt
10. Gallopin mt
Screens in game :
Spoiler Départ de Bar le Duc
Campagne entre Bar et Chalons
Chalons en Champagne
Montagne de Reims
Lac de l'Ailette
Laon
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Posted on 15-01-2016 15:17
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Looks really good. Also, your simulation was very good; Sagan didn't win the stage in the Tour but got yet another second place; realistic.  |
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| Margh Norway |
Posted on 15-01-2016 15:19
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Screens are looking awesome, great work guys!
Love to see you making vertical adjustments to the IB's. It's sometimes an immersion killer when I wonder how a resident climbs (or digs) to his front door.
These little things can imo make the difference between a very good and an an excellent stage.
Keep it up! I'm highly optimistic it will be the best grand tour ever made on any PCM!
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Posted on 15-01-2016 16:34
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Yet another one. 
This will set a standard few will equal and I believe hardly surpassed. Yes, as MarghNorway says, the handling of IBs is superb. Skilled stuff 
I know lots play the game differently but surely this kind of work will open new ways to look and getting the feeling of a beautiful race. One thing one never experience while in the peloton itself 
The only sad thing is the wait for this project to finally be complete and published. But who waits for something special
Best of luck mates
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Posted on 15-01-2016 17:12
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Martii :
Realistic even in the simulation
Thx a lot !
Margh :
Thanks
It's always a pleasure to read the opinions of such a legend of stagemaking. As we are limited in Cyanide IBs and as "home-made" IBs have poor quality, we must be creative and handle IBs like that. And it's truly the difference between a very good stage and excellent stage.
Thx for coming in this topic
Clamel :
Once again, thx a lot mate. Time is required to build the best tracks and make the best stages. Personnaly, I need between 40 and 50 hours to make a stage like that, I think Leon too. So it need time, and furthermore, there is the "immerged part" of the iceberg (all the discussion about the route of each stage, very interesting part).
Be patient, you won't be disappointed
General message :
Everybody is guested to discuss with us about the routes, it's a collaborative project. Most people speak English, and even, I would be able to translate into French. Currently, we are validating the route of the tenth stage and we are discussing about the eleventh stage, in Alps. The link to these discussions is in the first post of this thread
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Posted on 15-01-2016 17:42
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Thank you for your feedback !
It is very appreciated.
Be patient. We are going at our own pace, but it's to give the best.
Come and participate in our chat if you want
toto40 aka Leon40
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Posted on 11-03-2016 13:50
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Hi guys,
Our TDF keeps going on ! Stages 10 and 11 have been made by 40LL and Johostile. Toto40 (Leon40) and me are working on stages 12 and 13.
Stages in Alps have just been tracked. Next step : Cévennes and Pyrénées !
Posts above updated with the new profiles and the updated map.
Some screens of the stages 10 and 11 :
[size=150]10. Clermont-Ferrand - Lyon (211 km)[/size]
Clermont-Ferrand (391 m) ; Thiers (305 m) ; Col Saint-Thomas (935 m) cat 2 ; Côte de St-Just-en-Chevalet (791 m) cat 3 ; Col de de la Croix des Fourches (778 m) cat 3 ; Col du Joncin (697 m) cat 2 ; Côte du Charnay (414 m) cat 4 ; Côte de Limonest (422 m) cat 3 ; Côte de Fourvière (298 m) cat 4 ; Lyon (174 m)
https://www.openrunner.com/index.php?i...id=5611319
https://www.partage-facile.com/DCEH91K...m.rar.html
Stagemaker : 40 LL Done
Spoiler Clermont Ferrand - Place de Jaude
Thiers
Lyon - Fourvière
[size=150]11. Voiron - Réallon (196 km)[/size]
Voiron (294 m) ; Côte du Crozet (859 m) cat 2 ; Col de l'Holme (1213 m) cat 2 ; Col Bayard (1254 m) cat 3 ; Gap (730 m) ; Col Lebraut (1115 m) cat 2 ; Réallon (1554 m) cat 1
https://www.openrunner.com/index.php?i...id=5652300
Stagemaker : johostile Done
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Posted on 25-03-2016 18:42
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| grebiere |
Posted on 27-03-2016 13:41
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[size=200]12th STAGE FINISHED[/size]
MONT DAUPHIN
GUILLESTRE
VARS
MEYRONNES
ROUBION
BREUIL
VALBERG
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Posted on 17-04-2016 15:51
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Saint-Sauveur-sur-Tinée - Monaco
Saint-Sauveur-sur-Tinée (498 m)
Rimplas
La Bolline Valdeblore
Col Saint-Martin (1503 m)
Roquebillière et Belvédère
La Bollène-Vésubie
Col du Turini (1607 m)
Lucéram
L'Escarène
Col de Braus (1002 m)
Sospel
Col de Castillon (707 m)
Castillon
Castellar à gauche et descente vers la Méditerranée
Menton (5 m)
Sainte-Agnès
Col de la Madone de Gorbio (926 m)
Saint-Martin de Peille
La Turbie
Descente sur Monaco
Arrivée sur le port de Monaco (1 m)
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| bigggassi |
Posted on 17-04-2016 17:18
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This is such a great work. I like the course so far as well. I really hope you can finish the Tour.
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