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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 04-04-2014 00:57
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I would think 77 if guys like Martin and Betancur only have one point higher than him currently.
In races like the Ardennes he is nowhere. I think 77 suits better.
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| atlanta |
Posted on 04-04-2014 02:31
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Ha ha at Greipel as good as them two, Cav and Kittel are a notch above even last 2 years were Cav has not really dominatedTDF sprints he as won more than Greipel and done 2 GT's.
Greipel has a poor return for GT wins and others for hw good he is he was their to capatalise on Cav maybe dropping off then BANG comes the German Phenom.
I think he should be 81/80 3rd best, but maybe 81/81 or 82/79 |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 04-04-2014 10:45
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The problem with Sagan being 78 or 77 is that for example he's still about 4 points higher then say Cancellara in the hill stat and Cancellara is always capable of dropping Sagan over the bergs of Flanders, Even in the E3 Harelbeke Sagan couldn't stay with Thomas either and only came back on the flat. Making 77 and 78 too high for him. I think is once third spot finish in the Amstel Gold has made him overvalued in the hill stat cat for the DB.
I think Greipel is good at 82 because he's as fast as say Cavendish when the conditions for him are good. He's like a juggernaut in that he builds upto a certain speed and then goes straight for the line, whereas Cave is more like a sports car that can accelerate where needed, so to recognize this I'd drop Greipel a couple of points in acceleration.
So if keeping Cave and Kittle on 82 I'd then put Greipel 82/80
Edited by Tafiolmo on 04-04-2014 10:46
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 05-04-2014 21:32
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raulvasa_9 wrote:
About the sprint, last Amstel Gold Race [Valverde] won the bunch sprint ahead Kwiato, Gerrans and Gilbert. 1st race after his banned, he defeated Gerrans in Willunga Hill. He don´t usually sprint in GT or massive sprint for keep energy for next races, but when he sprint in one day races he used to be the fastest
He attacked with Gerrans and Gilbert on the Cauberg, Gilbert led all the way to the finish and opened the sprint. They were caught literally on the line by the bunch, so Valverde definitely didn't win the bunch sprint, he basically beat Gerrans and a tired Gilbert.
As for Willunga, the simple fact that Valverde and Gerrans reached the finish alone shows that it was rather about who had the most legs, can't take that result as a pure sprint one.
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| dbreality |
Posted on 06-04-2014 22:37
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I admit that it may not be a priority, but there are some changes that must be made as far as many "less famous" riders are concerned :
- Arnaud Gérard should have 69TT minimum, because of his recent performances over the last couple of years.
- Gregor Mühlberger must be improved, Prologue and Hills. he seems to be a revelation considering his two wins so far.
Edited by dbreality on 06-04-2014 22:42
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 07-04-2014 06:14
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Always welcome 
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| dbreality |
Posted on 07-04-2014 23:44
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And also Denis Zhuykov. His perfs in Grand Prix of Adygeya 2013 were quite good : 7th in TT and 5th in Hilly stage in Guzeripl. |
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| irdalopez |
Posted on 11-04-2014 09:03
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Hello!
the next update will be before or after Giro? |
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 13-04-2014 15:39
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81 - Cancellara (82 myb), Vanmarcke, Terpstra
80 - Boonen
79 - Styby, GVA, ...
78 - Degenkolb, Sagan, Thomas...
77 - Wiggins, Langeveld...
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| Selwink |
Posted on 13-04-2014 15:44
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SSJ2Luigi wrote:
You know you have played to mch PCM when... you immediatly after a real stage, talk about stat increases
Anyway, would give De Backer 77 as well. Where the hell did he come from?
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| cio93 |
Posted on 13-04-2014 15:45
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If you don't win PR on the cobbles, you don't deserve 81 per se imo.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 13-04-2014 15:46
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Agree with that, although I'd maybe still rate Terpstra and Boonen the same. I think if Terpstra had been the one attacking all day it would probably be the opposite results, and it comes down to that more than actual difference.
And I don't even know about Wiggins. Like, seriously, what the hell do you give that? 
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 13-04-2014 15:46
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Terpstra doesn't deserve the same COB stat as Vanmarke and Fabian. They distanced him on the cobbles. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 13-04-2014 15:47
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Lets all discuss a race the Stats man watched and knows very well. Lets all offer up our slightly differing opinions which are so wildly different that they must make a difference....
Seriously people! Alak's got this sh*t nailed down and 1-3CB differences are not going to change anything.
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 13-04-2014 15:50
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Lets all discuss a race the Stats man watched and knows very well. Lets all offer up our slightly differing opinions which are so wildly different that they must make a difference....
Seriously people! Alak's got this sh*t nailed down and 1-3CB differences are not going to change anything.
This thread is made for discussing the stats, so whats the problem? Someone offered his opinion, some others disagree slightly and offer their opinions. |
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| Faillu |
Posted on 13-04-2014 15:56
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admirschleck wrote:
81 - Cancellara (82 myb), Vanmarcke, Terpstra
80 - Boonen
79 - Styby, GVA, ...
78 - Degenkolb, Sagan, Thomas...
77 - Wiggins, Langeveld...
This is just so funny. He used to be a very good time-trialler who somehow won the Tour de France, but then some machine kicked him down from the podium.
But the story didn't end here for this man. After he was knocked down, he was forced to help this machine, but he didn't like it. Now his only hope is the hard, rough cobbles which show no mercy to those riding on them... |
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| depeche92 |
Posted on 13-04-2014 16:08
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I still think Vanmarcke was stronger than Cancellara in the cobble sections in both Ronde and Paris-Roubaix, he should have the same stats of Cancellara:
Cancellara-Vanmarcke 81/82
Terpstra-Boonen 80
Sagan-Degenkolb etc.. 79 |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 13-04-2014 16:20
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Cancellara 81
Vanmarcke 81
Boonen 80
Terpstra 80
Van Avermaet 79
Degenkolb 78
Kristoff 78
Langeveld 78
Sagan 78
Stybar 78
Thomas 78
Vandenbergh 78
A quick look through. First thing, matrix may move up by one at later date. Some are 50/50. Langeveld is such rider, on edge of 77/78. Stybar could be on edge 78/79. Actually one or two from there could move up to 79.
Especially if we decide to move up the matrix by one.
But those are personal preferences I'd say so I not really up for discussion, can be easily changed, but one stat one way or another is not going make much difference.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 13-04-2014 16:24
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As usual i'll flag the issues with Kristoff/Degenkolb/Sagan of making them too high across the board in relation to development (all young with good potentials). But yeah those seem about right. Will be interested to see their FL ratings as well, with Sagan and Degenkolb being better on the flat than the cobbles while Boonen is better on the cobbles than the flat
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 13-04-2014 16:28
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Please stop rating Sagan amongst the top cobblers, he loses every race on the cobbles. Today he attacked on normal roads, got reeled in on the cobbles. He lost Ronde 3x on the cobbles now, and E3 last year as well. He has a good flat, good hill, good endurance and has a sprint. That's why he gets good results in these races, not because of his cobble skills.
Anyway
Cancellara/Vanmarcke 82
Boonen 81
Terpstra 80
Degenkolb/Stybar/Van Avermaet 79
Kristoff/Vandenbergh/Sagan/Thomas/Langeveld/probably someone I forgot 78
De Backer & Wiggins both deserve a 75-76 
Edited by Ollfardh on 13-04-2014 16:29
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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