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Mafia VI
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 06-01-2018 10:27
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Day 2:
Another death in the town overnight. The second victim of the mafia so far was Croatia14.
Alive:
baseballlover312
Selwink
Marcovdw
jseadog1
Bikex
Waghlon
weirdskyfan64
TheManxMissile
trekbmc
ryant
Ian Butler
Aquarius97
hillis91
Raziz
Dead:
sammyt93
Croatia14
47hr day because I was late on today.
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."
[ICL] Santos-Euskadi | [PT]  Xero Racing
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 06-01-2018 10:37
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Dear fellow townies
This may not be the best strategy, or the smartest thing to do. But very early in the game I'm throwing all my cards on the table, in the hope of ridding this town of evil.
The first night, I investigated weirdskyfan and came up with a mafia reading. Detective or confused cop, I do not know.
The second night, I once again investigated weirdskyfan and came up with another mafia reading.
I would investigate a third time to make sure I'm detective (and not CC), or else go on to investigate others and assume I'm detective. Why am I outing myself early? Because I feel that we can get a head start in this game by eliminating a mafia early on and decimate their ranks.
Doctor: I ask you to protect me this night and allow me to safely perform another investigation.
Fellow townies: Who do I investigate next? WSF to make absolute sure and know if I'm detective or cc, or someone else?
Please trust me. If you decide to lynch me and you see I'm pro-town, do not hesitate to lynch wsf next, as we will have killed off at least 1 mafia (not godfather) early in the game.
I'm endangering myself heavily here, and it might not be the best tactic, but I wanted to share these findings so early in the game. Because if I get killed next, or lynched, this valuable information would be lost.
Sincerly
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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 06-01-2018 10:53
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Investigate a third time the same player i think might be a waste of time. I'm going to trust that you are either Detective or CC. The obvious way to find which one are you is to lynch weirdskyfan.
I don't think we lose anything lynching him, and it clearly helps a lot if he turns out to be mafia. If he's mafia, is yet to be known if he's the goon or the terrorist. If he's the terrorist, i guess that it was you goodbye letter  So i hope he's the goon, so we aren't left without detective so early
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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 06-01-2018 10:55
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Before I make up my mind whether you are telling the truth or not, may I ask why you chose to investigate weirdskyfan in the first place?
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 06-01-2018 11:05
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Hmm, Ian could of course be making a ploy with a fake detective claim like I did two games ago, but if we don't have another lead, perhaps it's best to follow it up? I wouldn't mind some reasoning from Ian on why wsf was his first choice to investigate.
I think in any case, imo it's best to reveal yourself as soon as you have struck mafia (with the night to confirm) and just hope for your sake it's not the terrorist.
I think we have 3 main choices on how to react to this:
1. We get all detectives/CCs to reveal now, given the chance that one is already dead is low, we could probably see if we have 2 or 3 claims.
2. We lynch wsf, if he's mafia, then we'll know that Ian is the detective, if not then any other detectives can investigate Ian (since, if he was telling the truth and he was wrong about wsf then if you got a mafia reading then he would surely be mafia, whether you are the CC or the detective).
3. We conservatively give Ian another day to confirm (preferably making sure to take some action today), any other detective claims would still investigate Ian and we'd see where we'd go from there.
I'd personally prefer to follow tactic 2, I think it gets us moving and worst case scenario if weirdskyfan is innocent our other detective claim(s) can invest Ian twice to figure out his alignment. Following plans 1 & 3 both have their merits though so it'd be good to have a discussion.
I'll await a reply from Ian to marco's question before I cast my lynch vote.
"What done is, is one." - Benji Naesen
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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 06-01-2018 11:13
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Also, there's a 25% chance that Ian is the CC, even if wsf is mafia. So if we lynch succesfully wsf, and he is mafia, that isn't equal to say that Ian is the detective
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 06-01-2018 11:29
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btw, I'd like to suggest something for special roles, that should be obvious, but since both failed to follow this last game, it might be worth restating:
1. Doctor, please don't reveal yourself in any case - whether you're going to be lynched or you want to make the detective/CC feel safe claiming, the chance of you being alive (even if you're dead) is a deterrent which helps prevent the mafia from attacking the detective at the risk of there being a save.
2. Gunsmith, please don't hand a gun to Ian quite yet, just because he's claimed detective, it's still possible that he's lying, wait until he is confirmed.
Also, what do you guys think of masons revealing? It would confirm two town roles, where having two less guys to be suspicious of is a huge benefit, but supposedly they could also wait until suspicion is turned on them or one of them is dead to make the claim, which would let confirmed townies survive for longer.
"What done is, is one." - Benji Naesen
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 06-01-2018 12:45
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Marcovdw wrote:
Before I make up my mind whether you are telling the truth or not, may I ask why you chose to investigate weirdskyfan in the first place?
I had a hunch, would be the usual detective answer.
Seriously though, I had to pick someone randomly for the first night and I thought of weirdskyfan. You gotta investigate someone, right?
Second night I did him again to try to confirm detective/cc. I'm a bit more certain now but still not 100%, obviously.
Lynch weirdskyfan
Yes, it could be a major mafia plot I'm pulling, but think about it for a minute and you'll figure out it wouldn't last me very long. I took a major risk by sharing this information. Why? Because I think the benefit outranks the risk. I'll probably won't live to see the game completed, but by outing one mafia member (well, still 1/4 that I'm cc and weirdskyfan is innocent) I hope to set us in the right direction.
If weirdskyfan is terrorist, I'm dead. But at least terrorist is dead, too, and there is more safety in the town to share more information (if the doc is still with us).
Doc should keep quiet, though, obviously.
I propose we lynch wsf now, even though there's a 1/4 chance I'm cc and I had mafia reading wrong twice. In that case, I'll probably be lynched tomorrow because you'll think me mafia. But still, think about it. As a mafia, I would have nothing to gain by this ploy, except 1 possible mislynching.
If we lynch wsf and he's NOT mafia, at least the other detective/cc will know for certain he is the detective, not I. |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 06-01-2018 16:24
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Ian has all the right logic:
Lynch weirdskyfan
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 06-01-2018 16:49
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Lynch weirdskyfan
Well, i choose to belive Ian. He sounds truthfull to me atleast. And i suggest that you don't waste another night to investigate weirdskyfan again. Find somebody else to look into, as i strongly belive you to be the Detective.
Why?
Because im the CC. I investigated trekbmc the first night, based on a hunch. I got a mafia read. The second night, i investigated him again. And i got a Town read. This might not be the smartest move on my part. But since Ian choose to reveal himself, and him not being sure if he is the CC/Detec. It's in the towns best intrest to put the cards on the table quickly and remove the treats early. The doctor should protect Ian tonight, and a mason should give me a gun. Since im now a major target for the Mafia.
And if i die tonight. I think it was worth it. As we lost a CC for a Mafia.
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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 06-01-2018 17:26
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Frist, and the least important, it's the gunsmith and not the masons who hands guns.
Second, what's the point of giving you a gun if you can't know who are the other two mafia member
Third, why would mafia kill you now if you are useless?
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 06-01-2018 17:41
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Brainfart on my part, as im currently under the weather and on some painkillers and whatnot.
Well, i do have the ability to actually investigate town member. Instead of 1 night, it's over 3. Not as effective
Useless how? Look above.
Read my post again Aquarius. I came forth to make sure Ian don't waste another night to find out if he is the CC or not.
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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 06-01-2018 17:50
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hillis91 wrote:
Brainfart on my part, as im currently under the weather and on some painkillers and whatnot.
Well, i do have the ability to actually investigate town member. Instead of 1 night, it's over 3. Not as effective
Useless how? Look above.
Read my post again Aquarius. I came forth to make sure Ian don't waste another night to find out if he is the CC or not.
I'm not doubting you as a CC but the CC doesn't have any ability to actually investigate anyone. The result of your investigations are given by a "coin flip"
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 06-01-2018 17:58
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I want to believe hillis, but to be on the safe side, I wouldn't give him a gun.
Best way to be sure is if I investigate him. Then there'd be more certainty of both our roles.
However, that might be one night wasted.
For now, I just hope wsf is not terrorist and that the doc will protect me. I sort of trust hillis, he doesn't seem mafia, but better safe than sorry. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 06-01-2018 17:58
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In fact, I implore the gunsmith not to hand out too many guns. We saw in last game that can be extremely dangerous. |
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 06-01-2018 18:05
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But if what Aquarius is saying is right, then i don't need a gun. I've totally missread the CC role. I thought that it took 3 investigations to find out someones true role. If the investigations are totall BS anyways, then im useless anyways.
You should choose to belive whatever you want Ian. But like i said. I came forward so that you don't have to waste another investigation. And for you to be sure about your role as the Detective 
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| ryant |
Posted on 06-01-2018 18:08
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lynch weirdskyfan
Pretty simple, doc on Ian as well seems to be the way to go.
And... if the town gets enough lynch votes to lynch weirdskyfan before he bombs Ian (if he is the terrorist) is Ian saved???
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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 06-01-2018 18:08
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Confused Cop – You are confused. You have the “same power” as the detective but with a twist. When you get your report, you do not really know, whether you can trust it or not, because of bad police work.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 06-01-2018 18:10
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ryant wrote:
lynch weirdskyfan
Pretty simple, doc on Ian as well seems to be the way to go.
And... if the town gets enough lynch votes to lynch weirdskyfan before he bombs Ian (if he is the terrorist) is Ian saved???
Yes. As soon as majority lynches, day is automatically over. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 06-01-2018 18:11
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lynch weirdskyfan because either he's mafia or Ians lying and immediately gets fucked over...
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