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| Jeremy |
Posted on 25-07-2013 16:50
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I'd like to see some other method for stage picking in Armada ranked races. The random factor is just silly. I did 100+ games and I only got one monument (Milan San Remo). I have an amazing cobbles team and I never get cobble races.
More than half the races are completely flat, which makes armada a bit less interesting because there's little diversity. |
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| denbaai |
Posted on 25-07-2013 16:54
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admirschleck wrote:
He is talking about gaps, Pelli.
1:5 mode would be absolutely great. Aaand, i would really,really love something like Become a Legend or My Career when you actually play with only 1 rider. I always imagined that , but ye, imagination...
yeah I would really like that too |
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| Tjugotre |
Posted on 25-07-2013 19:36
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- Be a pro
I know many players are against such a system, and I fully comprehend why they don't like it. I've read a couple of times that the one-rider-stories in the career mode are already great and because of that, we don't need the Be-a-pro-mode. Personally, I love the stories on different communities, team-stories as well as one-rider-stories, but the problem is that you can't simulate a career. If you want to create such a story, your rider has to stay with one team for his entire career. You miss the early beginnings at the continental level, or even as an espoir. You miss the dream transfer to a World Tour team. Writing a one-person-story based on the career mode is a nice solution, but it lacks too many things to be considered the real deal. A wake-up call for the ones who hope PCM will feature the Be-a-pro-mode in the next couple of years (and I'm one of them): Cyanide announced that's not on the agenda and is not even being considered at the moment.
- More realistic calendar
Maybe it's just me, but I really love realism in computer games and a game like Football Manager has provided me that realism for the last couple of years. FM has a quite advanced calendar (compared to PCM) and if PCM would feature the same type of calendar, the classics would always be held on sundays, every year. This may seem like a minor detail, and maybe it is, but adapting this calendar would create the possibility to ride at the Olympics every four years, races could change their dates (e.g. Roma Maxima/Giro del Lazio from october to march). Of course the Roma Maxima wasn't organised for a couple of years, but that could be implemented too: each year races come and races go, races promote and races relegate. And of course, when the Olympics are held, some races will have to move on the calendar.
- Stats
I think the stats are lacking some depth. At the moment, the riders only have physical stats (apart from the attacking stat). Yet again, I'm going to refer to FM (sorry folks). I think PCM has the physical part well covered with the current stats, but except for the attacking stat, PCM left the possibilities to influence the racing behaviour of the riders untouched. FM included stats like composure, concentration, decisions and determination as possible racing stats, but also ambition, loyalty, pressure and professionalism as stats that are important off the bike as well.
- Conversations
The conversation about the team's objectives is a huge improvement in my opinion, but of course it can still be improved. I think that not only the results in races could be discussed, but also the races themselves. Also conversations with the riders in order to provoke changes in behavior, willingness to sign contracts et cetera. And why not include press conferences from riders, then we can add another FM attribute for riders, being controversy (FM again, my bad).
- Specialisation
It's mentioned earlier (like many of the things I'm stating right now), but the change of specialisation has to be revised. When Cancellara was in the yellow jersey a couple of years ago (I think in the Carlos Sastre TdF of 2008), and also when he lost the yellow jersey, many people said that if he lost weight and trained for it, Cancellara could be a top-5 rider for the GC. Right now in PCM, riders have limits based on potential and specialisation, but if Cancellara would try this in real life, he would lose power to perform in the cobble classics and time trials like he does now. In PCM, that's not the case. I've seen an Edvald Boasson Hagen who could reach a rating of 80 in climbing, 83 in sprinting, and 78 in cobbles. Some examples of riders who tried to change their specialisation in real life are Boonen en Museeuw (from sprinting to cobblestones), and even Sagan lost some weight since last year in order to climb better, but he lost some sprint speed (as we've seen in this year's TdF). I think this may be the most important improvement to be made.
Something that bothers me as well, is the fact that riders' stats only go up until they reach their age of decline and that the stats get worse. Andy Schleck for example, went from 82 to 76 in a couple of years, while I don't think that he already reached his age of decline. Other examples are Gesink, Cunego, this year's Contador and many more. I think stats should be partially result-related.
- Affiliated teams
As seen in FM, I know. I don't think this needs a lot of explanation, but I would like to specifiy a thing or two. Of course, a WT-team that has a sattelite team (ST) or a development team (DT) doesn"t have the exclusivity to sign the ST's or DT's riders (e.g. Rabo CT's riders Van Baarle and Zabel signed for Garmin and BMC respectively), but the riders tend to sign for the parent teams rather than joining another side. Those teams are great for WT-teams to make their young talents gain some experience before riding with the big guys.
- Sponsors
The last couple of years, this part of the game has been improved a lot, with the possibility to change sponsors. But again, I think that the current system is a bit superficial. I've read the following idea in this thread as well. A team is more than a sponsor and a co-sponsor. It's a clothing sponsor, a bike sponsor, et cetera, et cetera. Finding a balance between money and quality seems very interesting and tempting to me.
I think I've covered everything I wanted to say. One last thing: I referred a lot to Football Manager, but I know that FM has more people in their development team than PCM and that they have been working on their game since 1992. The comparisons made were mere comparisons and I know and acknowledge that the PCM-team are working their asses off.
Edited by Tjugotre on 25-07-2013 19:43
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| cio93 |
Posted on 26-07-2013 00:06
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Can fricking Cyanide finally manage to neglect the effect of a single small cobbles section at an completely unimportant spot in quick sim?
I fucking hate to see 10-minute-gaps because of some cobbles so short I can't even see them on the stage profile.
ZLM Tour stage 3 for example.
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| Tjugotre |
Posted on 26-07-2013 10:42
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There's one detail I forgot to mention: when creating a custom team, I would like to see a filter 'Contract' because I don't like stealing riders from other teams, I only want free agents. |
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| rogvi97 |
Posted on 26-07-2013 21:27
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rogvi97 wrote:
A crazy idea:
I tried to get this to the Cyanide forum, but here it is. A new dimension of cycling in career mode. I don't want to only have road races, but also track racing and riders like Cavendish, Durbridge etc. get their competitions in track cycling like the real world.
So where's it possible to add those track events?
Well, you could just like in the road cycling or as the Pro Tour, set in different places throughout the season. So let's say each event takes 2 days and you set them at a weekend in August and they're located in London. So three weeks later a new competition is located in maybe USA. And then two week later in Denmark. Then in China. And so one it will create a world tour. Someone wins there and gets points to collect. When the season is over, the winner will be the one who has most points. This model isn't made up by me, but it's seen in Diamond League. Athletics most prestigous world tour.
All riders in your road team can join a competition, but they'll have low stats if they aren't used to the track.
And to make it more realistic, new track teams and riders can be in PCM. They can also ride on road, but they'll just as road riders have on track, lower stats. And finally a World Cup is needed so there can be a rainbow jersey in every event. But in team-events, there will only be one to wear the rainbow jersey, just like when riding on the road. Like team-time trial, there's only one in the team to wear it, because at WC it's competed individually. And there will also be a rainbow jersey in Omnium, Sprint, Keirin etc.
THANKS FOR READING!
Does noone support this? 
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| alex-sonic |
Posted on 07-08-2013 10:38
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This thread is a little dead right now so I come with a new idea! Of a be a pro-be a manager
I know Cyanide won't be EA Sports so It's a bit utopic but here we go:
It could be cool as Nhl did to begin @ 17-18yo and make your rider come in a be a pro team.
We could have amateur team, in France we have third divisions, we could go into Division Third then have contracts in division 1 then conti team and finally pro team.
As in NHL your stats increses with exp points that you gain with objectives: for examples Kom jersey, win races in amateur, then yellow jersey, in attacking, protecting a leader during all a race etc.
And finally what could be interesting is a be a pro-be a manager where you control the team of your rider.
If my rider change his team, I change too.
Think of it because be a pro mode could be boring for some people
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| Deksel |
Posted on 18-08-2013 10:00
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I found some really interesting improvements in this thread, but not the one I was thinking of myself:
I would like to see a separate cyclist model for time trials. Now PCM is using one cyclist model for all races. A new cyclist model could realize the smoothness of a skinsuit instead of using that muffin-top road race model.
Next to that it would be great if the time trial jersey could come back. In that way every team (xxx_maillot.png) and every NC (xxx_maillot_gbr.png) could have a separate TT jersey (xxx_maillot_itt.png and xxx_maillot_gbr_itt.png). And if the TT jersey is not in the team folder, PCM can just use the normal jersey. I know it seems to be more work for graphic artists, but it could make in-game time trials much more realistic. So a combination of a new TT cyclist model and the comeback of the TT jerseys would be great!
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| nejc |
Posted on 18-08-2013 10:57
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I'd like more realistic breakaways. If they have still 2-3 minutes advantage in last 20km,you cant cathc them!
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| Matrix |
Posted on 18-08-2013 11:09
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Allow the AI to really work. How many times can you be out front in a climbing stage...only to have a lesser rider catch or pass you on a DH? If my climber is an 80, how can a rider who is a 68 catch me? His DH stat is 73, mine is 73...I should out climb him by a large enough gap that he could not catch me on a DH. So the AI overall needs some tweaks, or overhaul. My getting caught on a DH was a great example.
Easier to understand editor. Why have a built in DB editor if most of the time you need a DB editor like the ones on this site to change anything.
This is for DB makers, start early and get all pics of riders.
Make the stats more real to life. This somewhat goes with fixing the AI. How can say Peter Sagan climb next to Froome and Contador? In the game it will happen, in reality it wont. Fix issues like this.
Improve stages, graphics and textures in the game. The trailer video is always better than when you play. Make the graphics near as good as the trailer or make the trailer direct from game play.
Make the difficulty real. If it is set easy, make it so. If needed add a "master" or "pro" difficulty so everyone has a setting they can really work with.
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| Rzrassman |
Posted on 18-08-2013 11:50
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Try to start early n build a stable n reliable game(unlike this year partly completed game with many bugs).
Focus less on the graphics n more on the game engine("AI" needs some serious overhaul).
Try to be build on things n be progressive(you fixed the ACC but the RES has limited Effect.It like taking one step forward n 2 steps back).
Knowing that the workforce is small use the help of communities.
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| nejc |
Posted on 18-08-2013 12:17
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Rzrassman wrote:
Focus less on the graphics n more on the game engine("AI" needs some serious overhaul).
I totally agree!! |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 18-08-2013 12:51
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@Matrix:
This game has a difficulty setting, so what exactly are you referring to?
As far as I know, the trailer video is made from ingame footage. You can achieve it too if you have a good PC. |
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| ste_18 |
Posted on 18-08-2013 12:55
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This is for DB makers, start early and get all pics of riders.
-They start early, i mean after the first week of september they usually let the old PCM for the incoming one...plus they can't get pics of all rider due to licence
Make the stats more real to life. This somewhat goes with fixing the AI. How can say Peter Sagan climb next to Froome and Contador? In the game it will happen, in reality it wont. Fix issues like this.
-The stats aren't a problem, after all you can edit them and choose them...about the AI, well, i also think that they have to improve it
Improve stages, graphics and textures in the game. The trailer video is always better than when you play. Make the graphics near as good as the trailer or make the trailer direct from game play.
-Well the trailer is always better, in almost every game...plus the graphic part imo is pretty good and not so important, the AI or the managerial part must be their main focus |
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| gregoryVG |
Posted on 18-08-2013 13:28
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The possibility to make coorporation in the race.
Like it is on the ps3 gme.
- You shouldb e ablo to make a conversation with another rider: you go for GC he can have the stage victory,
- asking other teams to chase the breakaway together with you
- be able to ask and ride withyou in the reakway. the AI can ask you but you can't ask the AI
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| daloe |
Posted on 18-08-2013 14:05
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Something like: Be 1 rider, grow ypur reputation, search for a new team, participate in a team when selected etc.
I've seen it so much in this thread and it would be very nice! 
Dutch
Playing PCM 2013 - PCM.daily Real Name DB
Belkin fan!
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| HaRe |
Posted on 18-08-2013 14:08
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daloe wrote:
Something like: Be 1 rider, grow ypur reputation, search for a new team, participate in a team when selected etc.
I've seen it so much in this thread and it would be very nice!
I want something like that but wouldnt it be a little boring to just control one rider. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 18-08-2013 14:44
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Matrix wrote:
Allow the AI to really work. How many times can you be out front in a climbing stage...only to have a lesser rider catch or pass you on a DH? If my climber is an 80, how can a rider who is a 68 catch me? His DH stat is 73, mine is 73...I should out climb him by a large enough gap that he could not catch me on a DH. So the AI overall needs some tweaks, or overhaul. My getting caught on a DH was a great example.
Easier to understand editor. Why have a built in DB editor if most of the time you need a DB editor like the ones on this site to change anything.
This is for DB makers, start early and get all pics of riders.
Make the stats more real to life. This somewhat goes with fixing the AI. How can say Peter Sagan climb next to Froome and Contador? In the game it will happen, in reality it wont. Fix issues like this.
Improve stages, graphics and textures in the game. The trailer video is always better than when you play. Make the graphics near as good as the trailer or make the trailer direct from game play.
Make the difficulty real. If it is set easy, make it so. If needed add a "master" or "pro" difficulty so everyone has a setting they can really work with.
First of all I don't know about the ai problem there.
There are plenty of different DB editors that are far better thant he general one made on PCM. Daily
Stats are changed in DBs.
These things are also changed in DBs.
The difficulty could be improved. As far as I know now it is based on ai stat reductions/boosts, and activating things like sprint trains?
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| NTTHRASH |
Posted on 18-08-2013 15:03
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@bbl: You'd be right; difficulty affects stats, giving the AI reductions or boosts depending on the level.
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| nista |
Posted on 18-08-2013 15:04
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Maybe a differentiation between medium mountain and hilly stages
I'm tired to see Sprinters like Cavendish win stages with Mountains about 1000 metres. |
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