jandal7 wrote:
For young riders, at this stage of the season shouldn't it be potential and not stats up/downgrade if anything? Because for example the above Mig Lopez suggestion, he progresses to this level anyway... just a thought
Morganho wrote:
Dan Martin is overrated in MO. I think 76 would be perfect.
Okay, try getting 7th in the Vuelta behind only Contador, Froome, Valverde, Rodriguez, Aru and Sanchez with 76 mtn.
Okay, maybe 77 is better, but 78 is too much.
Regarding the 2014 Vuelta, Samuel Sanchez (6th) and Barguil (8th) are 77 MO. Caruso (9th) and Navarro (10th) are 76 MO. These guys were separated by less than 4 minutes, but were 10+ behind Contador and 5+ minutes behind Aru.
I think his performances both in the Tour and Dauphiné also show that he isn't quite on the same level as Costa, Majka, Yates or Bardet.
Regarding Martin I must agree with Morganho. He should be 76 imo and could arguably be 77. He ain't a top climber and lack the results too justify a high mountain stat. It is true that he finished 7th in the Vuelta last year(His only top ten GC ever), but was behind Sanchez who had a good race and 5 of the best climbers in the peleton last year. He only finished within a couple of minutes infornt of typical 76 riders like Barguil,Caruso and Navorro. And keep in mind that the vuelta suits Martin well, as he his a great punchuer with a great hill stat. I think Martin has a great GC potential if he just manage to improve his concistensy and tactically ability, but at the moment i think 76 is ok.
76 definitely is not okay.
77 could be argued but he's basically 77,5 for me.
Don't forget how strong he was at La Molina(Catalunya queen stage). He lost his great GC position on a hilly stage afterwards though.
Can blame that on REC as well. Which btw should not be forgotten, his REC is very weak.
@Arberg
I have explained the reasoning earlier, Arberg, no need to go on about it.
Adjust it in your own db, but don't forget to lower his RES by 4 if you adjust him because it would unbalance his rider type with 85ACC otherwise
Tafiolmo wrote:
It's also like the STA stat which I think only really kicks in after 230km, making the long classics suitable for the really strong riders.
STA is not about long classics. It's a general stat. Low STA-riders can survive 230+ kilometers, if the race is run slowly. But if you got a 120 kilometer sprint, everyone will need STA if they want to win.
Are you sure about this? Because the best STA riders are men like Cancellara and Kristoff who are super strong on really long classics, meaning that their green bar decreases less than lower STA riders over these races.
@clamel
We do not add stagiares to the teams because they only ride a couple months and in most cases do not get a contract.
However I'm all for adding talents to the game so we can add at least the noteable ones(perhaps all) in a next version, thanks
Well I was thinking on adding the riders, BUT not in the teams they are stags in.
Some cases they are riding for teams in the game I think, but anyway they should be free riders, so that one could sign them in career.
Like the real teams might do.
As you say talents to the game, to be able to sign later on....
and even more important you could add them in startlist for the races in August.
I don't know if the way you put these stats is good ingame, but I see them a bit strange.
For example, Landa being +1 MO than Aru... don't know why, but it looks strange to me.
Also, Thomas at 79 MO... Well, he did a great first week, that's all... Same for all the other Sky domestiques... Thomas at 77/78, Poels at 76/77, Porte at 79/80 should be fine... Sky is enough overpowered, you don't need to overpower them a bit more...
Also, the GC contenders' HI stat... I always put them 77, except other cases:
Froome -> 78
Quintana -> 77
Nibali -> 79
Contador -> 77 (even 78, but 77 is fine)
Valverde -> 82
Purito -> 81
Pinot -> 77
Aru, Landa and all the other guys -> 77 (except people like Pozzovivo and so who deserve a bit more HI, but only A BIT)
Also, Thomas at 79 MO... Well, he did a great first week, that's all... Same for all the other Sky domestiques... Thomas at 77/78, Poels at 76/77, Porte at 79/80 should be fine... Sky is enough overpowered, you don't need to overpower them a bit more...
Thomas at 79 is fine because he can ride a mountain like a 79 , but his low REC stat rules him out of being a contender for GT.
But liege requires a bigger MON, as well as Amgen. I'd do 74/75 with mid-to-low rec for now, so he doesn't do amazingly well in GTs. Basically what he has now,maybe 74 mon
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Landa being +1 MO than Aru... don't know why, but it looks strange to me.
What about looking at the backup stats as well? PCM is made up of about 8 stats which determine who will win a GT or not, why only looking at one?
Also, Thomas at 79 MO... Well, he did a great first week, that's all...
You got to be kidding me. Did you even watch le tour? So who was the lad near to Froome all the time in the 2nd and especially in the 3rd week?
Same for all the other Sky domestiques... Thomas at 77/78, Poels at 76/77, Porte at 79/80 should be fine... Sky is enough overpowered, you don't need to overpower them a bit more...
Lol it does mean nothing. Poels dropped Froome at Alpe and was definitely stronger than him, a bit like Froome/Wiggins in 2012. Porte is quite inconsistent and we reproduced it thanks to his low backups, but when he's in a good day he can climb as an 81.
Landa being +1 MO than Aru... don't know why, but it looks strange to me.
What about looking at the backup stats as well? PCM is made up of about 8 stats which determine who will win a GT or not, why only looking at one?
I agree, but only to some extent,as few of the latest PCMs had a secondary stats just to have more stats, with some of them being unfuctional, or much more less important than daily form. So MTN stat is still overwhelmingly important i would say (not adressing especially case of Landa vs. Aru).
Landa being +1 MO than Aru... don't know why, but it looks strange to me.
What about looking at the backup stats as well? PCM is made up of about 8 stats which determine who will win a GT or not, why only looking at one?
I agree, but only to some extent,as few of the latest PCMs had a secondary stats just to have more stats, with some of them being unfuctional, or much more less important than daily form. So MTN stat is still overwhelmingly important i would say (not adressing especially case of Landa vs. Aru).
The secondary stats count though, and I am not only talking about resistance, recuperation and stamina,all stats who advantage Aru on Landa. Besides these, Landa's TT makes him lose minutes on thr other gc contenders, for instance, so that's the only way of re balancing the superiority of his mountain stat.
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