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| grandmister |
Posted on 15-09-2013 17:24
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What about Andre Cardoso? |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 15-09-2013 18:07
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Time for a few Dutch CT stats suggestions:
(Compared to the 2013 TdF update)
Rabo Development Team
Dylan Van Baarle should have higher climbing abilities. He climbed to a Top 25 on every mountain stage in Tour d'Avenir, and got 15th in the GC there. His hill should go up a point or 2 as well(to about 69). I'd rate his MO at 65/66, instead of 59. Maybe his REC & STA should be upgraded a tiny bit as well. Especially Sta, he's just a beast.
Daan Olivier can drop to 71 instead of 72 MO. I know he has been injured, and he's a big talent, but 72MO mainly for Avenir of last year seems not justified. 71MO seems fine.
Mike Teunissen can have a boost in both hills & sprint, with his sprint around 69 and hills around 67. He's doing well lately.
Nick van der Lijke is a better sprinter than 68SP. He always seemed more of a puncheur to me, but I think he's focussed more on sprinting. He's still able to take hills very well, 70SP+70HI seems allright. 69 or 71HI might be possible as well, I'm not sure here, it's hard to define what is his actual specialisation, fact is, that he scores a lot(184) of CQ points and should be highered up for sure.
Maarten van Trijp really turned into a very solid sprinter, maybe even 69SP.
Gert-Jan Bosman should have a small upgrade as well.
I guess you'll add the trainee's as well?
If not, at least add Jeroen Meijers to the DB, he's quite promising.
Zepuntke can have a little ITT boost, has a lot of decent results this season.
Van Empel can have a small hill boost.
De Rijke
Trussov his actual name is Trusov(iirc), and is a bit overrated.
Pfingsten is a better climber, 66MO should be more accurate.
Kouwenhoven should get a few more points on hills, flat and cobbles.
Jo Piels
Van der Weijst should get a massive boost. He's definitely the best sprinter of Jo Piels. He's a good sprinter, I'd say 70SP, 65HI and better secondary stats.
Vermeer is a bit better on the cobbles and maybe a little bit better on sprinting.
Daan Meijers is a good sprinter, 67SP I'd say.
De Vries is a steady TTist, especially in longer TTs. 66TT, 65PRL is what I'd suggest.
Hamelink & Ariesen are both a bit overrated.
Roosen is a lot better at both TTing(I'd say that is his speciality)and hills. I think he's the best TTist from the team, with 68TT(?)
Lammertink & Hoekstracan have small TT boosts as well.
Poutsma is really strong on the hills, and attacks a lot. Big boost for him.
Sorry I went a bit shorter in the end, there's just less to say about the 'smaller' riders.
Edited by Jesleyh on 15-09-2013 18:08
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 15-09-2013 18:15
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Cheers for that, always appreciated, it saves me lot of time which I don't have much lately.
On Avenir, I will be cautious giving out the MO stats for this race, Fernandez will have highest of 72, Adam Yates 71, Konrad 70, Formolo or Kudus will have around of 68's.
I mean Simon Yates will have 65 ( Top 10 in Avenir ) which to me seems very generous, however obviously he's given that stat more on his potential there than actual ability right now . Baarle will have 64 I think, we'll see though 
Edited by Alakagom on 15-09-2013 18:15
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 15-09-2013 18:18
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No problem, if you include them, I don't need to edit them in by myself, so it saves me some time later on 
Simon Yates will have 65? Hmm, could be a bit more generous, the guy won 2 Avenir stages! 
Van Baarle on 64 is okay, as long as his hill ability is a bit upgraded as well. I see him as the next Dumoulin, if you look at the type of rider
Formolo & Kudus could have 69 if you ask me, though. Definitely Formolo, who got 2nd in Aosta as well, might even put Formolo on 70, but 69 seems better.
Another question, will Vilella be included in the DB as well? He should really be added at least
Edited by Jesleyh on 15-09-2013 18:27
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| brewers90 |
Posted on 15-09-2013 19:03
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On Simon Yates, he is an incredible all-rounder, there's no doubt about that. But it's difficult to judge his stats with the limited information you get from U23 races. I would say 66/67 MO (what's Alaphilippe's MO BTW? I think they are quite similar in the mountains) with around 70 HIL. He can also go well in prologues (68/69?) and he's not bad in bunch sprints, I would say 67FL, 66SP and around 70ACC. And what about potential, 6 or 7?
How many young Brits are you adding to the DB? If they're not already in, you should at least add:
Sam Harrison - Time triallist (65TT + PRL?) with a decent sprint, poor climber, likes attacking.
Jonathan Dibben - Sprinter that likes a hard race, decent in hills and also cobbles. Finished 5th in the Junior WC last year.
Owain Doull - Another sprinter that can deal with hills. Did brilliantly in the An Post Ras winning the points competition. Also finished 14th in the RideLondon Classic, so clearly has okay stamina.
Also, what about Tao Geoghegan Hart aswell, even though he is only 18, he looks a phenomenal talent. Difficult to judge atm but he's slaughtering the Juniors this year. |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 15-09-2013 19:05
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Oh, if we're on guys slaughtering Juniors this year, take a look at Mathieu van der Poel, for sure
He continued his domination in cyclo-cross on the road, for sure.
Edited by Jesleyh on 15-09-2013 19:07
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| brewers90 |
Posted on 15-09-2013 19:08
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Oh definitely, those two are the standouts in that age category this year. But he's Dutch, so he'll be crap by the time he's 23 |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 15-09-2013 19:10
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brewers90 wrote:
Oh definitely, those two are the standouts in that age category this year. But he's Dutch, so he'll be crap by the time he's 23
Grr, that's mean.
Really hope he'll go 100% on the road, though he's a big cyclo-cross talent as well, my cyclo-cross interest is 0 and will stay 0...
Also, I just noticed a junior talent called Keldermans. Yay
PS. Add Mads Pedersen to that list.
Another edit:
Lets move this to the U23 discussion
Edited by Jesleyh on 15-09-2013 19:14
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 15-09-2013 21:06
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If you says that Purito deserves 81... Why not Valverde?? |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 15-09-2013 21:08
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AiZaK wrote:
If you says that Purito deserves 81... Why not Valverde??
https://www.cqrank...ceid=24050
Most important race in calendar and Rodriguez has been 3rd best climber in the race, easily in the 3rd week.
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 15-09-2013 21:27
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Valverde had problems with the bike, if not... He would be in the Podium |
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| PhilipBusch |
Posted on 15-09-2013 21:41
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brewers90 wrote:
Oh definitely, those two are the standouts in that age category this year. But he's Dutch, so he'll be crap by the time he's 23
What about Mads Pedersen?? Hart is better uphill but overall I think the Dane has been at least as good.
Van der Poel is a beast, he is just too good to be in the juniors. |
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| samdiatmh |
Posted on 16-09-2013 00:29
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AiZaK wrote:
Valverde had problems with the bike, if not... He would be in the Podium
the last 4 mountain stages
stage 15 - beat Valverde by a minute, and (from reports) bridged from Krueziger to Nieve when Contador went the other way
stage 18 - beat Valverde by a minute again
stage 19 - favourites all rolled in together
stage 20 - beat Valverde by a minute and a half
definately looked like being the main contender to Froome had Nairo not raced - thinking Purito/Nairo/Froome should be similar mountain (basically Froome gained 3mins30 on them in the MontSaintMichel TT - and it finished that way), and they all looked similar (bar Froome's retardedness on Ventoux) climbing in the last week |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 16-09-2013 00:34
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I agree. Purito should be a point above Valverde, although I think it should be said that Valverde was working for Quintana at that point.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 16-09-2013 00:39
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baseballlover312 wrote:
I agree. Purito should be a point above Valverde, although I think it should be said that Valverde was working for Quintana at that point.
Yep. He was basically putting in dummy attacks on every mountain stage. Honestly I'd put them even. Valverde has now beat Purito in the Vuelta two years in a row, surely that should still count for something considering they both targeted it this year after riding the Tour and last year Purito was in arguably better shape as he didn't peak for the Tour like Valverde did.
If its possible, just give Purito a bit of a bonus for July like what happens with Hesjedal/Nibali at the Giro, along with Froome, Quintana etc.
Edited by valverde321 on 16-09-2013 00:40
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 16-09-2013 00:46
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Hesjedal. Have a sad feeling he is getting a big drop in stats. 
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 16-09-2013 00:55
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Hesjedal. Have a sad feeling he is getting a big drop in stats.
Why is that?
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 16-09-2013 00:59
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valverde321 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Hesjedal. Have a sad feeling he is getting a big drop in stats.
Why is that?
Because if someone is not performing or even in races for a while, stat makers tend to focus on the newer guys results and not put the old ones into perspective.
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 16-09-2013 02:00
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valverde321 wrote:
If its possible, just give Purito a bit of a bonus for July like what happens with Hesjedal/Nibali at the Giro, along with Froome, Quintana etc.
The bonus is only for single race mode, no effect on career.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 16-09-2013 16:18
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baseballlover312 wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Hesjedal. Have a sad feeling he is getting a big drop in stats.
Why is that?
Because if someone is not performing or even in races for a while, stat makers tend to focus on the newer guys results and not put the old ones into perspective.
Well I look on the circumstances and he had ltos of bad luck this year, he will have a decrease, but not a great one . I mean 78/78 suits him nicely right now.
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