|
Ardennes Classics
|
| jph27 |
Posted on 22-04-2012 18:00
|
Team Leader
Posts: 7380
Joined: 20-03-2010
PCM$: 900.00
|
cactus-jack wrote:
For the love of God, stop quoting!
In all seriousness, I still think anything that appears too good to be true generally is. This from someone who's first experience of cycling was Landis in the 2006 Tour.  |
| |
|
|
| Kami |
Posted on 22-04-2012 18:11
|
Classics Specialist
Posts: 3386
Joined: 19-06-2009
PCM$: 200.00
|
felix_29 wrote:
Before this year´s Ardenne classics, only Gasparotto had one good result in one of them, and now he and Iglinsky take two wins and a third place?
Seems at least Iglinsly spent way too much time with Vino. 
That's the general rule in cycling, yes.
That's why Nuyens is doped, because he had Contador on his team.
Same with Cancellara and Basso in 2006 obviously.
I find the reasoning behind all these accusations just plain retarded. :/
Edited by Kami on 22-04-2012 18:11
|
| |
|
|
| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 22-04-2012 18:12
|
Tour de France Champion
Posts: 15176
Joined: 08-02-2007
PCM$: 200.00
|
Inglisky atack had perfect timing.
then he droped Purito..at the climb.
then he outplayed Nibali with hard core style..
Then he was 1min faster then Nibali inside final 5km.
I just don't trust Astana..they have fooled me so many times and years...starting at 2006..it is 6 years guys.
Edited by Guido Mukk on 22-04-2012 18:14
|
| |
|
|
| felix_29 |
Posted on 22-04-2012 18:25
|
Classics Specialist
Posts: 2918
Joined: 08-08-2009
PCM$: 200.00
|
Kami wrote:
felix_29 wrote:
Before this year´s Ardenne classics, only Gasparotto had one good result in one of them, and now he and Iglinsky take two wins and a third place?
Seems at least Iglinsly spent way too much time with Vino.
That's the general rule in cycling, yes.
That's why Nuyens is doped, because he had Contador on his team.
Same with Cancellara and Basso in 2006 obviously.
I find the reasoning behind all these accusations just plain retarded. :/
I never said it´s a general rule, just that it is noticeable that two riders of the same team are suddenly much stronger than before, with one of them dropping riders like Rodriguez and Nibali.
It´s not the first time Astana riders showed a sudden improvement, and we all know what happend to Kashechkin.
|
| |
|
|
| Ad Bot |
Posted on 18-12-2025 21:14
|
Bot Agent
Posts: Countless
Joined: 23.11.09
|
|
| IP: None |
|
|
| Aquarius |
Posted on 22-04-2012 18:32
|
Grand Tour Specialist
Posts: 4851
Joined: 29-11-2006
PCM$: 200.00
|
Kami wrote:
That's why Nuyens is doped, because he had Contador on his team.
Same with Cancellara and Basso in 2006 obviously.
The because might be wrong, apart from that, erm... |
| |
|
|
| Kami |
Posted on 22-04-2012 18:41
|
Classics Specialist
Posts: 3386
Joined: 19-06-2009
PCM$: 200.00
|
felix_29 wrote:
Kami wrote:
felix_29 wrote:
Before this year´s Ardenne classics, only Gasparotto had one good result in one of them, and now he and Iglinsky take two wins and a third place?
Seems at least Iglinsly spent way too much time with Vino.
That's the general rule in cycling, yes.
That's why Nuyens is doped, because he had Contador on his team.
Same with Cancellara and Basso in 2006 obviously.
I find the reasoning behind all these accusations just plain retarded. :/
I never said it´s a general rule, just that it is noticeable that two riders of the same team are suddenly much stronger than before, with one of them dropping riders like Rodriguez and Nibali.
It´s not the first time Astana riders showed a sudden improvement, and we all know what happend to Kashechkin.
It did surprise me that he dropped Rodriguez, then again, Rodriguez wasn't looking nearly as strong as Wednesday though. If i'm not mistaking, he was with the last to close the gap on the Roche aux Faucons. A bad day is more likely aswell, as Rodriguez didn't even end top 10.
Nibali just broke down after St. Nicolas (understandable after that solo), while Iglinski started his solo inside the final 5.
Again, both Iglinski and Gasparotto have shown before that they can handle these kind of classics, both of them are at the prime of their carreer aswell, so really, it's not that surprising.
Aquarius wrote:
Kami wrote:
That's why Nuyens is doped, because he had Contador on his team.
Same with Cancellara and Basso in 2006 obviously.
The because might be wrong, apart from that, erm...
That's bassicly the same as stating:
Major classic/GT-win = doping.
I'm pretty sure there are still dopers in the peleton, but i don't know if i actually want to believe every major cyclist being doped.
To be honest, i find Gilbert 2011 more surprising than Iglinski winning LBL.
|
| |
|
|
| arthon |
Posted on 22-04-2012 18:47
|
Domestique
Posts: 537
Joined: 22-07-2009
PCM$: 200.00
|
Nibbles almost bursting into tears.  |
| |
|
|
| sam1196 |
Posted on 22-04-2012 18:49
|
Protected Rider
Posts: 1372
Joined: 11-10-2009
PCM$: 200.00
|
So sad for Nibali 
VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO
|
| |
|
|
| cactus-jack |
Posted on 22-04-2012 18:52
|
Classics Specialist
Posts: 3648
Joined: 31-07-2009
PCM$: 200.00
|
Poor Nibbles, maybe he needs a cuddle? |
| |
|
|
| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 22-04-2012 18:55
|
Grand Tour Champion
Posts: 8425
Joined: 30-07-2010
PCM$: 200.00
|
litllemagnum wrote:
sam1196 wrote:
fefj wrote:
Schleck was not out of form? Of course he is, he has shown absolutely nothing this year. He might also be retarded, i wouldn't know, but claiming he was in form to win this race is plain wrong.
And why is was Valverde not a "real" favorite?
Because he never showed he was back on his old level in classics, he only did some things in P-N
This and in regards to Schleck, he was badly postioned at la redoute and as far as i'm aware the Schlecks are bad when the roads are wet so he really wasn't out of form otherwise he would of said so instead of saying he was well prepaired in the startinterview.
And by that you guys are reassuring what I said: F. Schleck was badly positioned, Gilbert was out of form, Valverde isn't a real favorite + punctured in a horrible time, Vino is no real favorite/wasn't racing, Cunego didn't recover well, etc... after all, Iglinsky didn't beat a lot of top names in top shape, mainly Rodriguez (who could either have had a bad day or not recovered much from Fleche, proved by ending in 15th), and Nibali, who bust all his energy too early.
|
| |
|
|
| sam1196 |
Posted on 22-04-2012 18:59
|
Protected Rider
Posts: 1372
Joined: 11-10-2009
PCM$: 200.00
|
lluuiiggii wrote:
litllemagnum wrote:
sam1196 wrote:
fefj wrote:
Schleck was not out of form? Of course he is, he has shown absolutely nothing this year. He might also be retarded, i wouldn't know, but claiming he was in form to win this race is plain wrong.
And why is was Valverde not a "real" favorite?
Because he never showed he was back on his old level in classics, he only did some things in P-N
This and in regards to Schleck, he was badly postioned at la redoute and as far as i'm aware the Schlecks are bad when the roads are wet so he really wasn't out of form otherwise he would of said so instead of saying he was well prepaired in the startinterview.
And by that you guys are reassuring what I said: F. Schleck was badly positioned, Gilbert was out of form, Valverde isn't a real favorite + punctured in a horrible time, Vino is no real favorite/wasn't racing, Cunego didn't recover well, etc... after all, Iglinsky didn't beat a lot of top names in top shape, mainly Rodriguez (who could either have had a bad day or not recovered much from Fleche, proved by ending in 15th), and Nibali, who bust all his energy too early.
Nibali couldn't afford to wait for Saint-Nicolas so Iglinskiy had the luck that Nibali was the only one in form.
VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO
|
| |
|
|
| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 22-04-2012 19:01
|
Tour de France Champion
Posts: 16576
Joined: 27-07-2011
PCM$: 13838.70
|
Pellizotti2 wrote:
3. Gasparotto
4. Voeckler
5. Hesjedal
6. Mollema
7. Sanchez
It's not Hesjedal, it's Dan Martin. Hesjedal was 9th
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy |
| |
|
|
| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 22-04-2012 19:01
|
Grand Tour Champion
Posts: 9885
Joined: 01-05-2010
PCM$: 200.00
|
baseballlover312 wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
3. Gasparotto
4. Voeckler
5. Hesjedal
6. Mollema
7. Sanchez
It's not Hesjedal, it's Dan Martin. Hesjedal was 9th
I know, I corrected that in a later post.
|
| |
|
|
| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 22-04-2012 19:02
|
Grand Tour Champion
Posts: 8425
Joined: 30-07-2010
PCM$: 200.00
|
sam1196 wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
And by that you guys are reassuring what I said: F. Schleck was badly positioned, Gilbert was out of form, Valverde isn't a real favorite + punctured in a horrible time, Vino is no real favorite/wasn't racing, Cunego didn't recover well, etc... after all, Iglinsky didn't beat a lot of top names in top shape, mainly Rodriguez (who could either have had a bad day or not recovered much from Fleche, proved by ending in 15th), and Nibali, who bust all his energy too early.
Nibali couldn't afford to wait for Saint-Nicolas so Iglinskiy had the luck that Nibali was the only one in form.
Exactly, meaning that Iglinskiy didn't put in an 'extraordinarily amazing out-of-this-world' performance today, and can't be labelled 'doper' right away.
|
| |
|
|
| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 22-04-2012 19:04
|
Tour de France Champion
Posts: 16576
Joined: 27-07-2011
PCM$: 13838.70
|
Pellizotti2 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
3. Gasparotto
4. Voeckler
5. Hesjedal
6. Mollema
7. Sanchez
It's not Hesjedal, it's Dan Martin. Hesjedal was 9th
I know, I corrected that in a later post.
sorry, I was out, and was trying to catch up on what I missed
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy |
| |
|
|
| felix_29 |
Posted on 22-04-2012 19:08
|
Classics Specialist
Posts: 2918
Joined: 08-08-2009
PCM$: 200.00
|
Kami wrote:
Again, both Iglinski and Gasparotto have shown before that they can handle these kind of classics, both of them are at the prime of their carreer aswell, so really, it's not that surprising.
Acutally, none of them ever showed they could get such a good result in LBL. The Amstel isn´t as hard, and Gasparotto never came close to the Top20 in LBL. Iglinsky got 22nd when a group of 30 sprinted for 3rd in 2009.
I think that shows huge improvements for both.
|
| |
|
|
| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 22-04-2012 19:15
|
Tour de France Champion
Posts: 16576
Joined: 27-07-2011
PCM$: 13838.70
|
felix_29 wrote:
Kami wrote:
Again, both Iglinski and Gasparotto have shown before that they can handle these kind of classics, both of them are at the prime of their carreer aswell, so really, it's not that surprising.
Acutally, none of them ever showed they could get such a good result in LBL. The Amstel isn´t as hard, and Gasparotto never came close to the Top20 in LBL. Iglinsky got 22nd when a group of 30 sprinted for 3rd in 2009.
I think that shows huge improvements for both.
Riders can't improve?
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy |
| |
|
|
| Aquarius |
Posted on 22-04-2012 19:20
|
Grand Tour Specialist
Posts: 4851
Joined: 29-11-2006
PCM$: 200.00
|
baseballlover312 wrote:
Riders can't improve?
After nearly a dozen of years as a pro, at the age of 31, suddenly, out of blue, a rider will naturally improve from a mere top 30 contender to a Monument winner ?
Well, nothing's impossible, but how credible is it ? |
| |
|
|
| valverde321 |
Posted on 22-04-2012 19:27
|
World Champion
Posts: 12429
Joined: 20-05-2009
PCM$: 530.00
|
Lets get something straight.
Iglinskiy has always been a strong rider! He has been a good hilly rider, as well as a solid cobble rider.
Now, he has got some very good results before, so its only a myth that "he's come out of nowhere" and won a monument.
Now obviously he was not a favourite or anything for this race, but all the intangibles were there for him, and the fact that the leaders group behind Purito + Iglinskiy and Nibali, hardly gave any effort into the chase, allowed him to stay clear.
He got in a good move, and Nibali spent too much effort earlier, on the descent, most likely when Iglinskiy was using the descents to recover a fraction.
Therefore on the final climb, it is possible that Iglinskiy was just the freshest of the two.
|
| |
|
|
| issoisso |
Posted on 22-04-2012 19:39
|
Tour de France Champion
Posts: 19134
Joined: 08-02-2007
PCM$: 200.00
|
What?
Igli.....what?
I left when Nibali had 45 seconds.....what?
I......what?
EDIT: And the guy's been one of the most obvious dopers in the peloton for years now. He's been named in like 3 different investigations. I thought Vino winning was bad, but this is a new low
Edited by issoisso on 22-04-2012 19:43
The preceding post is ISSO 9001 certified
"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
|
| |
|
