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| jt1109 |
Posted on 08-02-2013 11:29
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has anyone got the CDB of the database so i can have a look over the English Domestic riders? |
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 08-02-2013 15:49
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Posted on 08-02-2013 16:17
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thanks LLuuiiggii
Right here we go:
Node 4 Giodana:
Micheal Northey: Better sprinter then in DB got some good results last year Couple of wins Domestically Won a few round my Area and was Up there in the Stage Race Doon Hame 4th in the end and won a satge and lead the GC in a stage race in France who's name escapes me. so about Flat 67 Sprint 70 Accel 70
Richard Hepworth: Is a climber not a Flat rider as you have in the DB so Flat 60 Mountain and Hills 64-66
IG Sigma Sport:
Ross Edgar stats need seriously looking at he's struggling to to beat a couple of the new guys in training so his stats are ridicules.
Sprint/Accel down to 70 MAX
Flat is ok i guess
Mountain 50 Hill 53
Ryan Mullen: This guy is very highly thought of maybe give even 6 Potential and upping his TT to 68 to make sure he becomes a TT rider as he will in real life
Suggest Potential to 6
TT and Pro to 68/69
Lowering in Hills to 60
Upping in Flat to 68-70
Team Raleigh:
Hamptons Hills need upping he's a contant attacker as well as he showed in the British Champs last year taking a 3rd place he also did well in Tour de Bouece and a couple of Crits round England
Hills up to 68
Fighter up to 75+
Flat to 65
All round upping of Stamina and Resitance a couple of point to mid 60's
Madison:
Alex Peters is more talented then Townsend then Bayliss last
Peters to Potential 4 (best junior in Britain last year) plus making him a Punchuer so dropping the flat lower then the Hills.
Bayliss lowering to Pot 2.
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 08-02-2013 17:50
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I was wondering if you could add Patrick Sinkewitz and Ivan Stevic
Add them please! |
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| ppanther |
Posted on 08-02-2013 18:02
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Jesleyh wrote:
Maarten de Jonge
Didn't really have good results last years. His stats doesn't suggest that, but his best results were Top 10s in some Serbian and Romanian races. It were all sprint stages though, so I think he's more of a sprinter
HI 66-> 61 SP 64-> 66 Backup stats a bit lower maybe.
With Tour de Serbia you have to notice that it's quite a hilly race. One stage with 5 Cat.2 Mountains and Stefan Schumacher won it, so i wouldn't lower his hill stats so much and up his SP instead. Just my opinion on it. 
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 08-02-2013 18:18
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ppanther wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
Maarten de Jonge
Didn't really have good results last years. His stats doesn't suggest that, but his best results were Top 10s in some Serbian and Romanian races. It were all sprint stages though, so I think he's more of a sprinter
HI 66-> 61 SP 64-> 66 Backup stats a bit lower maybe.
With Tour de Serbia you have to notice that it's quite a hilly race. One stage with 5 Cat.2 Mountains and Stefan Schumacher won it, so i wouldn't lower his hill stats so much and up his SP instead. Just my opinion on it.
Ok, that might be true. Don't really see Tour de Serbia as a prestigious race though, so maybe hill 66-> 64 and then leaving sprint like it is maybe
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| Gulvplanke |
Posted on 08-02-2013 23:39
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I had a look at the norwegian CT riders and I have a few suggestions:
Øster Hus
Fredrik Galta:
The guy is climber. Not a great one, but probably the best in the team.
He was 14th in the U23 race Toscana - Coppa delle Nazioni (Aru won) and he was 9th in a mountain stage in Vuelta a Leon (the other guys in the top 10 there all have between 65 - 70ish in MO)
I think his MO stat should be around 65 or atlest higher then his current 55, and maybe raise his potential a small notch and give him a small increase in hill.
I also think Markaskard's Is a bit overrated and with to high potential.
Joker Merida
Kristoffer Skjerping:
Considered by some to be one of Norway's biggest talents, Skjerping is good at hills and he is a decent sprinter. Internationally he's had a few top 10's in some french 2.2 races last year including the Rhône-Alpes Isère Tour, proving that he can get over hard hills and still have enough power left to win the sprint. I suggest giving him around 66/67 in both hill and sprint aswell as raising his flat and accelration. Acording to CQ he was fifth at a mountain stage in Rhône-Alpes so I would say he deserves a bit more than 58 at Mountain aswell.
Vegard Breen
Breen had good season last year winning La Côte Picarde, beating Jungels in a two man sprint. He was also 4th in Tour de Bretagne and 2nd at a hilly stage in Tour de l'Avenir, again beating Jungels in the sprint.
I think he deserves higher hill and flat stats (around 68)
Truls Engen Korsæth
Possibly the most talented mouintain biker in Norway since Nordhaug. Apart from his 5th place in the norwegian TT championship, he doesn't have many results on the road yet, but if other mountainbikers is anything to go by , he definitely has potential to be a good climber/ TT-er.
Edited by Gulvplanke on 08-02-2013 23:40
How hard can it be?
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| tastasol |
Posted on 09-02-2013 00:25
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Regarding Markaskard: He was sick and injured during the start of the season, and got injured during Rogaland GP. Harsh to judge him from a season with injuries.
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| Bosskardo |
Posted on 09-02-2013 11:47
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Checkes stats of Estonians in 2013DB beta and really can't agree with Taaramäe's and Kangerts stats. Brought out stats that are really wrong imo.
Rein Taaramäe
I think he's quite underrated considering he has good results when not having problems.
DH at least mid 70s- he's usually in front on the decents and has ridden away too
MO and TT a litte higher (Vuelta MOstage win, Tour MOstage top 10s, Tour GC11, several TT top10s including in TdF)
HIL higher (maybe 75), he has good results in hilly stage races (Paris Nice, Vuelta Catalunya) and higher REC (he was goodi n TdF last TT, Vuelta stage win came late in the race and he was sick at the start)
Tanel Kangert
DH at least 70- he is by no means a bad decender
He's not a good sprinter, SP should be more like 60
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 09-02-2013 13:19
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Bosskardo wrote:
Checkes stats of Estonians in 2013DB beta and really can't agree with Taaramäe's and Kangerts stats. Brought out stats that are really wrong imo.
Rein Taaramäe
I think he's quite underrated considering he has good results when not having problems.
DH at least mid 70s- he's usually in front on the decents and has ridden away too
MO and TT a litte higher (Vuelta MOstage win, Tour MOstage top 10s, Tour GC11, several TT top10s including in TdF)
HIL higher (maybe 75), he has good results in hilly stage races (Paris Nice, Vuelta Catalunya) and higher REC (he was goodi n TdF last TT, Vuelta stage win came late in the race and he was sick at the start)
Tanel Kangert
DH at least 70- he is by no means a bad decender
He's not a good sprinter, SP should be more like 60
Well I can't see at all how it's viable to increase Taaramäe MO after the season he had. 76 is more than enough for not doing anything special. Stats are mostly based around 2012, and the MO of Taaramäe should be possibly tad lower than that after 2012 season, but we do consider previous results from 2011 season hence it's at what it is now. 74 REC is enough as well considering he's not at all consistent in GC's. Thx for tip on Kangert though
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| Bosskardo |
Posted on 09-02-2013 13:35
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Alakagom wrote:
Well I can't see at all how it's viable to increase Taaramäe MO after the season he had. 76 is more than enough for not doing anything special. Stats are mostly based around 2012, and the MO of Taaramäe should be possibly tad lower than that after 2012 season, but we do consider previous results from 2011 season hence it's at what it is now. 74 REC is enough as well considering he's not at all consistent in GC's. Thx for tip on Kangert though
About Taaramäe. I considered several years because he had a pretty bad last year. After Paris Nice, he was diagnosed with mononucleosis and just when he was getting better, he had a bad crash in mid-April. He just got back on the road in the middle of May, so I think 2 top10 places in TdF after all that is pretty good.
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| ppanther |
Posted on 09-02-2013 17:30
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I have searched for other overrated riders:
Shinri Suzuki Potential 4->3/2, SP 73 -> 67/68, ACC 74->68/69, other stats also need to be lowered, in the last two years he got 12 CQ points in minor races in addition...
I think Rasmus Guldhammer also need to be lowered. I know he was a promising rider in youth but hasn't fulfilled the high expectations. I would lower MO 70->66/67, SP 68->65, ACC 70->67 HIL 71->69, but I would let his Potential at 4.
Vladislav Borisov didn't even has a team in 2012 according CQ Ranking. SP 67->65, ACC 70->68, HIL 70->68
Vytautas Kaupas also because of lacking results. I think he needs lower stats generally. |
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| ppanther |
Posted on 09-02-2013 18:16
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I have also some upping suggestions :
Guillaume Boivin seems to get his best sprint results in really tough races. So maybe he needs +1/2 in END, RES and HIL. But you could argue about this one...
Francois Parisien has really better results than his stats would suggest in 2012. Before 2012 he didn't show much but a slight update would be the right thing in my opinion. END 65->67, RES 63->67, HIL 66->70/71
Evaldas Siskevicius SP 64->69, ACC 67->71, HIL 66->67, secondaary stats +1/2 |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 10-02-2013 21:39
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Jan Barta
Barta to me, needs a boost in his TT stat. 7th at the TT World Championships, he won the Czech I.T.T's although its not a super strong field but better than 74 I'd say. He also won the Settiman Coppi e Bartali ITT ahead of again a pretty decent field. I think he's been a fairly decent TTer and a small boost is in need. This could mean a tiny boost in Stamina too.
TT 74->76
Roger Kluge
Personally, Kluge is a better sprinter than 73. Last year, he's had many Top 5's in strong sprinter fields.
Tour of Qatar (https://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/...ceid=21981)
Plus at the Tour of California, Marcel Kittel was struggling with a sickness I think, so got to ride for himself and to me he really showed that he's a strong sprinter. In 2011, he finished 3rd in Oman on the stage that Cav lost to Theo Bos. Once again finishing ahead of riders with sprint stats around 77/78 like EBH and Galimzyanov. I really do think 73 is quite low for him. I would suggest atleast a few points increase.
SP 73->75/76 Flat 72->73
Leopold Konig
I feel his climbing stats are under-rated. In 2011 he rode well at the Tour de l'ain. Finished 3rd in a field filled with many of the top French Climbers. Also finished 2nd at the Tour of Austria which certainly isn't a flat stage race. Then in 2012 he did well at the Tour of Utah finished a mountain stage ahead o Dombo, Leipheimer, Horner and Danielson. I think he could use a boost but not major. 72/73 is too low imo though.
Mountain 73->74/75, Hill 72->75, Resistance 68->70
Alexander Wetterhall
I think he could use a bit of a Prologue/TT boost. He isn't very consistent but he's had some amazing results in the past 3 years beating out guys with TT stats in the very high 70's and even low 80's. He's also gotten some poor results in TT's but for the most part, I think he's a very decent TT rider. In shorter TT's he seems to be getting great results, while the longer they are, the worse he does.
I dont know if Prologue will help with 15km TT's at all, as its outside the "official" length to consider it a prologue, but giving him a high TT stat in PCM would mean he does well in long TT's which isn't always true.
I'd suggest:
Prologue 71->75, TT 72->73/74
Ralf Matzka
He is a sprinter and has done alright at times. I would probably just give him a tiny boost so that he actually can make a surprise appearance in a Top 10 at some point, if he's on great form and so on.
SPR 67->69/70
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| Blueprint |
Posted on 11-02-2013 09:05
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I suggest updating the TT stats of David de la Cruz (NetApp) a little bit. He did three time trials last year and placed quite nicely. However, the competition wasn't that strong, so maybe an increase from 59 to 64/65 will do.
Results
Asturias (4th): https://cqranking....ceid=22448
Madrid (9th): https://cqranking....ceid=22489
Portugal (17th): https://cqranking....ceid=23305
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| fickman |
Posted on 11-02-2013 15:08
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Stats for Félix Cárdenas need an upgrade:
2012 [CHI] 1a en 9a etapa Vuelta Ciclista de Chile, Farellones (CHI)
2012 [COL] 1a en Clasificación General Final Vuelta al Tolima (COL)
2012 [COL] 1a en 3a etapa Vuelta a Colombia, Ibague (COL)
2012 [COL] 1a en 4a etapa Vuelta a Colombia, Armenia (COL)
2012 [COL] 1a en 10a etapa Vuelta a Colombia, Medellin (COL)
2012 [COL] 1a en Clasificación General Final Vuelta a Colombia (COL)
2012 [COL] 1a en Prólogo Clásica Perla del Fonce, Acuasán (COL)
2012 [COL] 1a en Clasificación General Final Clásica Perla del Fonce (COL)
2012 [COL] 1a en 1a etapa Clásica Ciudad de Girardot, Girardot (COL)
2012 [COL] 1a en 2a etapa Clásica Ciudad de Girardot, Sibaté (COL)
2012 [COL] 1a en 3a etapa Clásica Ciudad de Girardot, Girardot (COL)
2012 [COL] 1a en Clasificación General Final Clásica Ciudad de Girardot (COL)
2012 [COL] 1a en Prólogo 1a etapa Clasica del Meta, Villavicencio (COL)
2012 [COL] 1a en 5a etapa Vuelta a Santander, Bucaramanga (COL)
2012 [COL] 1a en 2a etapa Clasico El Colombiano (COL)
2012 [COL] 1a en Clasificación General Final Clasico El Colombiano (COL)
2012 [COL] 1a en Juegos Nacionales, Ruta, Elite, Colombia (COL)
I know those are not the best races in the world but FLAT, TT, PR, SP, END and Res are a bit low.
Jose Serpa might need and upgrade too. He won Le Tour de Langkawi in 2012. I mean Rujano has better stats than him and didnt do anything last Year. He also was better than Rujano in Le Tour de Langkawi, Settimana Ciclistica Internazionale Coppi Bartali and Giro d´Italia. Or maybe Ruajno´s stats are a bit high for his performance last Year.
https://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/...derid=1964
https://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/...iderid=658
Johan Esteban Chaves might need 1 ponit more in stats too. Oder riders like David Arroyo or Vladimir Efimkin (this guy isnt even racing since 2011) who havnt been near win anything in years have better stats than him.
2011 he won Tour de l´Avenir
2012:
1º Stage 5 Vuelta a Burgos
1º GC GP Città ´ di Camaiore
2º GC Prueba Villafranca - Ordiziako Klasika
3º Stage 3 Vuelta a Colombia
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| ppanther |
Posted on 11-02-2013 17:19
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Off Topic:
Have you ever thought of lowering the sprint stats of the Climbers and Stage Racers? I have experienced in mass sprints often Climbers try to sprint for the victory and reach places just slightly above top 10. For example Contador or Schleck would fit sprint stats slightly under 60 better than their stats now, in my opinion.
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| ppanther |
Posted on 11-02-2013 18:29
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And some secondary stat changes:
Eros Capecchi DO 72->78 In my opinion one of the best.
Angelo Tulik attacks quite often. ATT 64->69
To be continued...
Edited by ppanther on 11-02-2013 21:40
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 11-02-2013 19:32
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ppanther wrote:
Off Topic:
Have you ever thought of lowering the sprint stats of the Climbers and Stage Racers? I have experienced in mass sprints often Climbers try to sprint for the victory and reach places just slightly above top 10. For example Contador or Schleck would fit sprint stats slightly under 60 better than their stats now, in my opinion.
I think they are perfect like this. Sometimes in the hills Contador, Evans or some similar rider can do Top10 |
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| Kirill Klimenkov |
Posted on 12-02-2013 13:47
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Atlas
Polyvoda is good in flat (69-70). He also not bad hilly stages (70).
Averin is good sprinter with a lot of top-10 last year (71-72) and not bad at hills (~69-70)
Brambilla is top-sprinter of team (72-73)
Klimiankou is climber (70-71) also for hills (71). He won his Euro-23 bronze at hilly route. But suffer at flat windy stages
Chiocca is sprinter (70)
Baldo is good at hilly stages (71). He won overall of An Post
Imhof good at flat. He is track-rider
And Erdin is young, but promising sprinter (for this level). Maybe 68-69 now, but 72 in future
And belarusians
Krasilnikau is TT-specialist. He was 2nd at national championship and had some top-10 at worlds U-23. 72 for TT
Bazhkou is very talented sprinter and puncher. He had a lot of top-10 and wins in italian under-23 tour. Maybe 70-71 now for SP, but smth like 74 in future. He also good in hills (69-70 now, 72-73 in future). He is just a little bit less talented, then Lutsenko. His results https://elite-unde...u_2012.htm and here https://cqranking....current=0. And he was KOM in Baby Giro before injury
Novikau, Sinelnikau, Sobal retired
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