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Expansion Pack: Stat Discussion
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| ppanther |
Posted on 05-02-2013 20:04
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I've checked the Austrians and here are my results.
Harald Starzengruber has already retired but if you want to keep him in the db then his Stats should generally be lowered.
Stefan Rucker has also too high Stats in General. I would lower his SP -> 67/68, ACC ->69 HI -> 66
Riccardo Zoidl needs better Stats in General. He won Austrians National Racing League (Tchibo Cup), finished 16th on Kitzbühler Horn or 14th on Großglockner Stage at Tour of Austria. (so 59 is way too low in MO) His best achievment was his 14th place at TT World Championships, he won Austrian TT Championship and finished 3rd in Austrian Mountain Championship Race. (behind Vrecer and Benetseder)
FL -> 67/68, MO -> 66/67, TT -> 71, PR -> 69, SPR -> 67, ACC -> 70 (quite strong at hilly finishes) HI -> 69, maybe also slightly better secondary Stats
Christoph Sokoll is not a sprinter at all. So he needs lowered SP, ACC and FL Stats and slightly better MO Stats, but not much because he is just a mediocre rider at best.
SP -> 65, ACC -> 66, FL -> 65, MO -> 63
Michael Pichler is now a racing endurance races like Race Around Austria and tries to qualify for RAAM. So he also retired from road racing. |
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 05-02-2013 20:23
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Thanks for the feedback, Jesleyh and ppanther. That's perfect, with exact description of what should be changed and why  It's also great that you suggested riders that should be worse than currently, ppanther, because most times the suggestions are only riders that should be better but if we keep increasing and increasing stats, that's not very good for the overall stats matrix of the DB 
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 05-02-2013 20:29
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No problem
I can look at some more guys, also ones that deserve less skills, but since most people I look after are young, it's not easy to estimate if they deserve lower skills than they have, especially since most young guys actually developed since the last CT stats update instead of the opposite (that makes sense I think )
But I will look at a few more guys soon if you want
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| ruben |
Posted on 05-02-2013 21:11
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Ok, I think you guys might have overrated Ross Edgar a bit. He's dominating the CT circuit sprints in my game. I know he's good, but not THAT good |
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| ppanther |
Posted on 05-02-2013 22:12
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Additional some guys that should be lowered (mostly riders who were successful in the past but didn't show much in the last 2 or 3 years):
Markus Fothen
Ludovic Turpin
Michael Stevenson
Johnnie Walker
Dmitri Champion
Eric Baumann
Gregorio Ladino
Björn Schröder
Mauricio Ardila
Walter Pedraza
Tomas Vaitkus
Clement Lhotellerie
Gorik Gardeyn
Robert Radosz |
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 06-02-2013 16:15
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Barry Markus might need a little update in SP and ACC.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 06-02-2013 16:26
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fcancellara wrote:
Barry Markus might need a little update in SP and ACC.
Wanted to request the exact same thing 
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 06-02-2013 16:36
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Given he even posted stage 4 results in the Cycling forum, I'm more than sure that Alakagom is observing the results and probably thinking in stats changes
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| ruben |
Posted on 06-02-2013 17:30
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Also, Kruijswijk needs a huge boost in REC.
In all his good GT's his best week was by far the last week. He even went from barely top 30 (1st week Giro) to top 5 climbers (last week Giro) in 2011 for instance... All due to recuperation. |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 06-02-2013 18:44
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Got a few more Dutch guys
Hans Dekkers
Should've been added to Ppanthers list.
Was free agent last year(still is), and didn't even do anything decent in 2011(except one Etoile Besseges Top 3 though). Should have lowered stats, maybe SP 74 -> 69, along with Acc etc.
Floris Goesinnen
Not really have much to add, but he should have a bit better TT. He's not really good in TT, but did do good at Langkawi TT, so maybe TT+PRL(The Langkawi TT was 20km long, so can't choose just one of them) 61 -> 65.
Dylan Groenewegen
He's more talented than his stats suggest. He got a lot of Low 60's/high 50's, but deserves more.
He's also a sprinter, and not a fighter. His results confirm that. He had a 3rd place in Munsterland Giro(Kittel won that race, he finished in front of a lot of good sprinters), a 9th place in Dutch Food Valley(Bos won it), Omloop Houtland(Kittel won), and some nice results at Olympia Tour, Baltic Tour and Putte - Kapelle. He's way underrated in sprint. He's not really a fighter though. He got a lot of CQ points for Cycling Team de Rijke last year(and even got a few this year already)
FL 66->70 SP 60-> 70 ACC 64->71 Fighter 70->65. And his other stats should all go +3 or something, especially his RES and REC. His backup stats are simply too low.
Maarten de Jonge
Didn't really have good results last years. His stats doesn't suggest that, but his best results were Top 10s in some Serbian and Romanian races. It were all sprint stages though, so I think he's more of a sprinter
HI 66-> 61 SP 64-> 66 Backup stats a bit lower maybe.
Tom Vermeer
Should get a boost in his stats. Done good last year, especially in hilly races. maybe a bit better in TTs too, after Tour of China(4th place in TT).
His hilly achievements include an 11th place at the Dutch RR NC, and being very consistent in Tour of Taiwan(with also some mountain-like finishes, so that's why his MO should go up too). His flat stat should go up too. Can't find a flat stage where he lost much time or something. Even finished most of his one-day races in Top 30. REC should get up too, he has been very consistent in China and Taiwan, and didn't get weaker in later stages.
If you look at the CQ ranking, he should be the best guy of the team by far.
FL 62 -> 65. MO 63-> 67 HI 64-> 69 TT 62-> 65 PRL 63-> 66. REC 61-> 66. Other stats, like RES maybe a bit up.
Rens Te Stroet
His stats suggest that he's one of the best guys of the team(Jo Piels). He isn't at all though. Only got 5 CQ ranking points, and that was at Omloop der Kempen, where there were no really good sprinters available, and he got 9th. Just had a really bad season.
SP 67 -> 64 ACC 65 -> 63. FL 65-> 63.
Jasper Hamelink
Another underrated guy guy. Got a good rating in TT, but could've been a bit higher maybe(Got 8th in european U23 TT championship for example).
Maybe more hill and flat abilities would be deserved too. He got 11th in the Circuit Franco-Belge GC, and did nice things in OberösterreicherRundfahrt, Czech Cycling Tour, Olympia Tour etc. Wasn't that great on the flat, but I don't think there is a reason to lower FL+ Spr. They're fine this way.
TT 68-> 70 PRL 67-> 68/69 or something. HI 62 -> 67 MO 53-> 58.
René Hooghiemster
Didn't get any CQ points, but that isn't neccessary with AVG 62. Had some nice Top 10s/Top 15s in some sprints though.
SP 60 -> 64 ACC 63 -> 65
Ronan van Zandbeek
Seems a beast on the flat. Best thing that he did is getting in the break, guiding the break to the finish, riding/sprinting from the break, and grabbing a solo-win on Kampioenschap van Vlaanderen.
He did more things like that, but didn't participate in the sprint. He proved that he got a nice sprint though, especially in Kampioenschap van Vlaanderen. He doesn't participate in bunch sprints though, he's a pure fighter. Maybe his cobbled ability could go slightly up too, he was great at Jef Scherens
FL 70 -> 72. SP 64-> 66. COB 67 -> 68/69. FTR 66 -> 75
And I also agree with Ruben above me...
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| MartijnVDD |
Posted on 06-02-2013 18:51
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Just out of curiousity: I noticed Tosh Van der Sande (LTB) got a huge stat boost in sprinting (from 69 to 73), why exactly is that? |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 06-02-2013 18:57
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MartijnVDD wrote:
Just out of curiousity: I noticed Tosh Van der Sande (LTB) got a huge stat boost in sprinting (from 69 to 73), why exactly is that?
Well, he got great results in Glava Norway and Pologne I think
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 06-02-2013 20:14
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If Tosh Van der Sande SPR 73 only for 2 good races...
Ken Hanson with this results:
https://www.sitiod...urid=27921
This website its very useful for see many results for some cyclist
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 07-02-2013 16:24
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AiZaK wrote:
If Tosh Van der Sande SPR 73 only for 2 good races...
Ken Hanson with this results:
https://www.sitiod...urid=27921
This website its very useful for see many results for some cyclist
Don't forget that I wasn't talking about the smallest races on the calendar. Pologne is WT and Glava Norway is 2.HC.
Of course he also got more good races, but only named the biggest ones
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| tastasol |
Posted on 07-02-2013 16:39
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Glava Tour is 2.1.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 07-02-2013 16:41
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tastasol wrote:
Glava Tour is 2.1.
It wasn't last year I think... And then still, that guy that AiZak mentioned mostly got his results in 2.2 races. Not saying that he doesn't deserve higher than he got, don't know much about him, but in comparision to Van de Sande, this is fair
Edited by Jesleyh on 07-02-2013 16:42
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| tastasol |
Posted on 07-02-2013 16:43
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Well, I can give you a car and a house if it was 2.HC last year
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 07-02-2013 16:52
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Oh. I think I confused it with Post Danmark Rundt 
How dumb of me to get in a discussion with a guy living in Norway about a Norwegian race
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| jt1109 |
Posted on 08-02-2013 11:29
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has anyone got the CDB of the database so i can have a look over the English Domestic riders? |
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 08-02-2013 15:49
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