what the funny in that froome is a good rider and he doesn't take product i'm sure[/quote]
thats funny you really think they dont use products? did you see anything of the TDF team sky with wiggins and froome are full with products to the max...
wher was wiggins for example in 2008? he wasnt even considered a worldclass time trial rider. he was just a pretty good time trial rider and riding on track but nothing special for road racing.
if he became that much better with just training then that means that other riders arent doing jack shit in practice and i doubt thats the case..
Edited by nico9845 on 31-08-2012 00:13
thats funny you really think they dont use products? did you see anything of the TDF team sky with wiggins and froome are full with products to the max...
wher was wiggins for example in 2008? he wasnt even considered a worldclass time trial rider. he was just a pretty good time trial rider and riding on track but nothing special for road racing.
if he became that much better with just training then that means that other riders arent doing jack shit in practice and i doubt thats the case..
for Froome:
2007:Stage in giro delle regione for young
Stage in the Tour of japan and a 6 general standing
2008:2 in tour de CAP
6 Tourd du santarem
TDF: 14th in 20 stage TT(so in 3 year it's no a surprise he has this level in the ITT)
4 in the Herald Sun
3 in Tour des Appenins
2009:31 in the giro and many Tour won
Edited by aymen on 31-08-2012 15:46
aymen wrote:
for Froome:
2007:Stage in giro delle regione for young
Stage in the Tour of japan and a 6 general standing
2008:2 in tour de CAP
6 Tourd du santarem
TDF: 14th in 20 stage TT(so in 3 year it's no a surprise he has this level in the ITT)
4 in the Herald Sun
3 in Tour des Appenins
2009:31 in the giro and many Tour won
Is the meaning of you saying these results to 'defend' Froome? Because it actually goes really the other way around, but based on the rest of your post I'm not sure which 'side' are you in.
Guido Mukk wrote:
Great climb..Burito special and top form Gilbert special. Where he ended today?
Will this year Giro was not Zomegnan Giro..but Rodriquez survived that one (Hesjedal won it..I still want to forget that part). Why not also Vuelta?
Gesink warming up..this is nice..almost like come back.
Because Contador is here? Bertie is stronger and stronger, while Rodriguez is only sprinting on the hills the same way like we know him, maybe he seems a bit better than previous years (also Giro pointed that out, but that was rubbish oposition). If nothing bad happens to Contador, i cant see Rodriguez to hold him back in the proper mountains.
And guys what about De Gendt? Some people here saw him as the podium contender, but this is not third tier competion like the Giro was Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 31-08-2012 06:14
aymen wrote:
for Froome:
2007:Stage in giro delle regione for young
Stage in the Tour of japan and a 6 general standing
2008:2 in tour de CAP
6 Tourd du santarem
TDF: 14th in 20 stage TT(so in 3 year it's no a surprise he has this level in the ITT)
4 in the Herald Sun
3 in Tour des Appenins
2009:31 in the giro and many Tour won
Is the meaning of you saying these results to 'defend' Froome? Because it actually goes really the other way around, but based on the rest of your post I'm not sure which 'side' are you in.
Proving that he is clean based on shit results is really funny...
No matter that he's clean or not, and same for Wiggokourov, you can't prove it. Simple as that. There's a logical aspect to it.
So please, Aymen, will you be as kind as to stop bringing it up every other time you post ?
And actually, as already mentioned, these two's palmares rather shows the opposite of your point.
Aquarius wrote:
No matter that he's clean or not, and same for Wiggokourov, you can't prove it. Simple as that. There's a logical aspect to it.
So please, Aymen, will you be as kind as to stop bringing it up every other time you post ?
And actually, as already mentioned, these two's palmares rather shows the opposite of your point.
They say nothing but look at the best now : What Schleck have in his Palmares,Contador also in 2005 haven't a thing,Arroyo who made a second place in the giro he just do that, there is also Thomas De gendt who two years ago was a specialist in the northern classics and now he climb as well,The last year TDF of Vanendert was no surprising look at his palmares nothing and tough he did a exellent Pyrennes stages
So I'm ready to stop bringing up Froome but other people should also stop suspecting him of dopping without a true clue(A positif Test)
Aquarius wrote:
No matter that he's clean or not, and same for Wiggokourov, you can't prove it. Simple as that. There's a logical aspect to it.
So please, Aymen, will you be as kind as to stop bringing it up every other time you post ?
And actually, as already mentioned, these two's palmares rather shows the opposite of your point.
They say nothing but look at the best now : What Schleck have in his Palmares,Contador also in 2005 haven't a thing,Arroyo who made a second place in the giro he just do that, there is also Thomas De gendt who two years ago was a specialist in the northern classics and now he climb as well,The last year TDF of Vanendert was no surprising look at his palmares nothing and tough he did a exellent Pyrennes stages
So I'm ready to stop bringing up Froome but other people should also stop suspecting him of dopping without a true clue(A positif Test)
None of the guys you have mentioned came from nowhere to finish second in a Grand Tour. Except maybe for Schleck. But he was only 22 at the time he finished second in Il Giro so of course he had no previous huge results.
I'm not sure what you mean with Contador in 2005, but before winning his first Tour de France he had already won the Paris-Nice the same year.
Arroyo had 2 top 10s in Il Giro prior to that 2nd place. Also, he gained plenty of time due to a giant breakaway.
Same goes with De Gent. He got that third place, but he never looked like the 3rd strongest rider in the race. He won plenty of time after going in a breakaway, while the favorites were having a practice ride.
And I have no idea what you mean with Vanendert, but there's no way you can compare what he did in Le Tour last year with what Froome did in La Vuelta.
Please do you think that arroyo really cand od second and now he just struggle to finish the GT, seriouly without speaking about sastre like the french expression
Un petit tour et puis s'en va.
Mosquera also,Velits,and i have sayed that the gendt was specialist in northern Classics just look at his stats in PCM 2009, he haven't any result in Mountain, and also he beat Schleck in Tour of Suisse(even if schleck focused on getting the climber jersey) and he won a stage in Paris-nice and then stayed in the Alpe d'huez with Schleck,evans and Cunego while Basso,Voeckler,Sanchez, Vanendert have blow up
Anyway i won't discuss i may discuss the vuelta now forget about dopping or not
I think even if he is dopping, it will not be good as is it with his former result, the dopping is just adding some skills, it can't make a newbie a great star.
Why Viviani? Why do you have to be so good so now they'll chase it back and my another rider bet is ruined, and if they do stay away, you will win. I sort of want you to win, but then I'm down $88.
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy
I don't see how Thomas De Gendt's stats in PCM2009 are proof for suspicion. TDG was still very young at that time, he had no specialization yet. If anything, his specializsation is attacking, like Voeckler and Voigt. That, with his proven TT skills and decent climbing skills make him an outsider. By attacking in the Giro he gambled, and his gamble paid off.
If TDG was a cobbled specialist in PCM2009, then that says more about the DB maker than about TDG.
Anyways, Thomas is in today's breakaway with Flecha, let's see if they can make this stage interesting.
Proving that he is clean based on shit results is really funny...
