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2012 DB: Stat Discussions
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 02-06-2012 10:49
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78 Sprinting for Boonen sounds about right. But imo He should be just 1 stat lower in Cobbles than Cancellara. Cancellara is a bit stronger on the cobbles, but Boonen has the advantage of his powerful sprint. I don't know what Boonen's stamina is but he has one of the best stamina in the peleton, imo. Just look at his sprint after a race of almost 300km, he'll almost always win that one. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 02-06-2012 10:58
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I don't think Cancellara is better than Boonen in the cobbles. If anything, he's stronger in the flat, in general, cobbles or not, so the difference between them has to be in the flat stat and the secondary stats (stamina, resistance).
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 02-06-2012 11:02
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kumazan wrote:
I don't think Cancellara is better than Boonen in the cobbles. If anything, he's stronger in the flat, in general, cobbles or not, so the difference between them has to be in the flat stat and the secondary stats (stamina, resistance).
I stand corrected.
Cancellare is indeed the best in the flat, but I think when it comes to stamina, Boonen tops most riders.
Does the flat stat have much influence when riding on cobbles? |
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 02-06-2012 14:02
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Ian Butler wrote:
78 Sprinting for Boonen sounds about right. But imo He should be just 1 stat lower in Cobbles than Cancellara. Cancellara is a bit stronger on the cobbles, but Boonen has the advantage of his powerful sprint. I don't know what Boonen's stamina is but he has one of the best stamina in the peleton, imo. Just look at his sprint after a race of almost 300km, he'll almost always win that one.
Race of almost 300 km = MSR? In the game it's the only one anywhere near it (next is worlds at 265 kms, then the monuments at 254-258). Don't think he's almost always won it lately.
And no, I don't think flat has much influence on cobbles.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 02-06-2012 14:23
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lluuiiggii wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
78 Sprinting for Boonen sounds about right. But imo He should be just 1 stat lower in Cobbles than Cancellara. Cancellara is a bit stronger on the cobbles, but Boonen has the advantage of his powerful sprint. I don't know what Boonen's stamina is but he has one of the best stamina in the peleton, imo. Just look at his sprint after a race of almost 300km, he'll almost always win that one.
Race of almost 300 km = MSR? In the game it's the only one anywhere near it (next is worlds at 265 kms, then the monuments at 254-258). Don't think he's almost always won it lately.
And no, I don't think flat has much influence on cobbles.
I was just talking hypothetically, not a real race, and with 300km I just meant a long race  Excuse me for not being clearer. I was trying to make the point that Boonen gets better the longer the race, compared to other racers. |
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 02-06-2012 14:30
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While I meant that in the longest race of them all, where if Boonen has such good stamina he should do very well, he hasn't done so good.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 02-06-2012 14:34
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lluuiiggii wrote:
While I meant that in the longest race of them all, where if Boonen has such good stamina he should do very well, he hasn't done so good.
Yes, I know. But that's because there aren't many cobblestones. And also, Boonen is human, and no matter how good a human can be at something, you can't always be on top of it.
I'm merely saying Boonen's one of the best sprinters after a hard, tiring and long race, but not the fastest in a pure, normal mass sprint. But that's just my opinion, of course. |
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 02-06-2012 14:53
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There are actually 0 cobblestones, like most races. You didn't say "he has the best stamina on cobbled races". And with the couple of hills in the end, MSR is harder than a pure sprint stage (ignoring the length of them both). But I agree that, being a classics rider, Boonen has an advantage on most others on the longer races. And btw, Boonen is already the best STA rider in the DB with Cancellara at 82 (not in PB, but in final V2).
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 02-06-2012 15:02
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Oh, okay, I didn't know that, I'm still with the database from Cyanide.
I guess you know more about it than I, I'm probably mistaken, then. Though I do not doubt Boonen's talents as a sprinter.
I actually meant there aren't many races with cobblestones compared to other sprintstages. If you're only good at cobbles, your season will be quite short, imo. |
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| fickman |
Posted on 02-06-2012 17:26
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Carlos Betancur from Acqua & Sapone deserves better stats, 1+ Hill and Acc:
1. Trofeo Melinda
1. Stage 5. Tour of Belgium
2. Stage 2. Giro del Trentino
2. Stage 4. Giro del Trentino
2. GC. Giro di Toscana
2. Stage 4. 4 Jours de Dunkerque
4. GC Giro del Trentino
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 02-06-2012 19:15
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fickman wrote:
Carlos Betancur from Acqua & Sapone deserves better stats, 1+ Hill and Acc:
1. Trofeo Melinda
1. Stage 5. Tour of Belgium
2. Stage 2. Giro del Trentino
2. Stage 4. Giro del Trentino
2. GC. Giro di Toscana
2. Stage 4. 4 Jours de Dunkerque
4. GC Giro del Trentino
4. GC 4 Jours de Dunkerque
Couldn't agree more! |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 08-06-2012 19:38
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Don't think this has been mentioned before:
The acceleration stat has quite an impact on how well you climb, as it gives a bonus to it after a certain % of incline.
This makes some guys climb way better or worse than they should. Sánchez and Cunego are the most easy to notice. Please take that into account.
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| Squire |
Posted on 08-06-2012 19:41
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Really? Can the game make the Rodriguezes better than the Wigginses on steep gradients? I'm impressed.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 08-06-2012 19:44
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Squire wrote:
Really? Can the game make the Rodriguezes better than the Wigginses on steep gradients? I'm impressed.
Yep. It's been in since 2007 or 2008 or so. It's not a huge effect, but it can make quite a difference between contenders. Especially as the effect is on any climber over 5%...which is basically any actual mountain.
Meanwhile, a high TT stat will give the same bonus, but in climbs under 5%. So....meh.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 08-06-2012 21:16
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Huh, didn't know that, about the acc and TT. |
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 08-06-2012 21:20
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This one is quite obvious, but 75/76 TT for Kelderman?
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 14-06-2012 16:11
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This SAGAN is amazing!!
How many SPRINT its well for him??? 81/82??? |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 14-06-2012 16:16
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Who did he beat ? Swift ? Albasini ? Haussler ?
Few are 77 Sprinters and some aren't even true sprinters He'll prove his sprinting at Tour and then we'll see.
Although if there was sprinting consistency stat, well he'd be pretty much one of the best there.
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 14-06-2012 16:17
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Then he'll start to beat the absolute top sprinters like Cavendish and Greipel, which he so far hasn't done. In Switzerland his main rivals are riders like Rojas, Swift and Davis. Not exactly supersprinters.
We can't judge Sagan until we've seen him against Cavendish and Greipel in the Tour. If he beats them, then I'd say he deserves 80+. At the moment, I still think it's a bit high.
EDIT: Zabel'd 
Edited by Pellizotti2 on 14-06-2012 16:18
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 14-06-2012 16:47
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I agree his stats are okay as they are, too bad there is not a stat to reflect that he can win all year without much race preparation.
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