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Trekbmc's Stages: Clásico de Cueva de los Portales
Paul23
Not sure, how accurate you can be with cities and forests, but the race starts in a small city with cobbles for around 200m. This point will be driven over again at some point, so there are again cobbles.

Would be great if could make it pretty accurate. You can take yourself as much time as you want. Grin

Also, there's a small tower at the finish.(on the right side...maybe you could put a tower in(if there's any)

https://www.mediaf...lassic.gpx
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trekbmc
ok, cool, did you have a map of the route? or do you want me to just base it off that (even if you have a GPX, just being linked to the map you made it on will make it a lot easier to be accurate Wink)

EDIT: Weird, didn't see the end of your post?

Anyway, I'll try to make it soon, although it would be helpful if you have a map (Which can just be gotten off where you make the GPX I think) or just the name of the starting town. Wink So I can make it more realistic.



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Paul23
Starting town is Löbau in Germany. I made it on the site, you told me.
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clamel
Back to Hellas....
I tried some stages and they have potential.
However if you run them with helo view (f7) they still look very barren You should also add some intersection with roads that is not a part of the course. I know the Greeks are out of money, but they might have a better road network Wink

When you pimp up the stage with those 1-2-3 houses you could add a fence around (garden like), it will improve the looks. Some of the houses crashes the auto fences along the road on some points.
Well, it's tiny work that takes time, but the reward will be great.

A thing on that pesky border stuff, Merge.
Of course un-tick it, but also to tick like VIP and perhaps Booth. That's hiding them. On mountain finish they just hang out of the mountain, looking strange. Many stages around the world have very limit finishes, not like TDF or Giro. Then this is Greece, they can't afford building any VIPs anyhow, eh

Take a look from F7 on the 1st stage along the river and you see what I think of with the word barren...

Good on you mate
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trekbmc
Ok, thanks for the advice, I can see what you mean with those things and I'll try to fix or improve them. Grin



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clamel
Just take care. One could keep on pimping up a stage and never get it ready. It's all about how much time one would like to put into the work.

I always think a "fly-over" with F7 while running the stage gives you a very good feeling what and where to put in those extra stuff. So much IBs is at hand and many are just using some. The editor is I must say very big on things and one could get damn nice looking stages, if one have time and a small touch on how the country side looks like.
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clamel
Forgot to tell you to have a look at that stage 2 of Benelux and the landscape. Very nice with fields and trees (perhaps lacking the odd country house between villgaes) and that what's lacking on that Hellas stage I tried.

Rack up those nice fields/forest/country houses and you got a jewel.

If you still up for request I got some 1-day races that recently finsihed in RL

Schaal Sels (the old one I found is not very nice in v14 and v15)
nasty roads on this one
https://www.schaal...d/parcours


Ronde van Midden-Nederland (this is only in cdx mode as far as I see)
https://rvmn.nl/ra...formation/
Edited by clamel on 31-08-2015 12:14
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trekbmc
Cool, I've been a little distracted, but I'll get back to stages now and happy to do those races. Smile



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trekbmc
Ok, I really owe an apology here, especially to Paul and clamel. Embarassed

Anyway, no use dwelling on that, I've finished Paul's request, so here you go (I've named it Löbau Classic for now Wink):

Löbau Classic:

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Screenshots:

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Even got one of Martin Wink

Download: https://www.media...bp5q01c7dn



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Paul23
It looks really awesome! Thank you! No need to apologize. I told you to take your time. Grin
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trekbmc
Thanks Paul, glad you like it. Smile

I'm going to take my time (not that much Pfft Wink) with my next couple of stages, probably the a Ronde van midden Nederland and any requests, maybe some national championships real routes as well if I can find some route maps (could be useful for be a pro to add your riders national NC. Wink) Smile



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trekbmc
I'm not really sure what happened, sorry for this stopping. Embarassed

Anyway, back with another race:

I wanted to make a race with a 10-20km section of flat after a tough climb to see what happens and made this. Smile The AI plays quite well with it Valverde (and Dan Martin) is amazing at it Pfft I've ran through it a few times, it's had solo attacks and small bunches away at the top of the climb but about half the time there's a small regroup usually finishing in a sprint between 5 and 30 riders. It's quite cool as it's like the best sprinter of the top climbers. Smile

Classico Furka

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A 216km race, which has the Furka Pass (24.4km Average 6.1% Max 18.9%) climb near the Italian border just near the finish topping 35km before the finish, with 20km of flat at the finish, long enough to regroup or catch other riders (which usually happens). It's a race for the best sprinters and flat riders of the climbers.

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Download: https://www.media...tkk2yosmpp

Feedback is appreciated although a small disclaimer that I haven't spent ages on scenery, so while they aren't bad, they aren't that great. Wink

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Also, I'll do a request if somebody wants to request any classic, preferably fantasy but really anything. Wink



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clamel
Looks good. I will have a go at it. I'll be back ....

And since the zcts file is in anyone can always "pimp-up" the scenery if it isn't good enough mate.

What about your plans on Benelux. Will you pick that project up again ?
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trekbmc
clamel wrote:
Looks good. I will have a go at it. I'll be back ....

And since the zcts file is in anyone can always "pimp-up" the scenery if it isn't good enough mate.

What about your plans on Benelux. Will you pick that project up again ?


Thanks. Smile hopefully it's alright. Smile

As for Benelux I Pom to get back to it at some point, even if completing it will be slow, maybe I'll start making stage 2 now. Smile



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trekbmc
Got a bit of a problem now, new gpx files that I download won't work in the stage editor. I tried stage 3 of Benelux and it wouldn't work so I went back and made a new route through Switzerland that doesn't work either (it just doesn't show up on the stage editor when I select it as the GPX file in the stage editor)

I use this site: https://www.plota... and I can't work out how to plot routes well on any other, nor do I even know if the problem is specifically files from that website (because it always worked before) or just all gpx files. Frown

I'm really stuck now and was wondering if somebody knew how to fix the problem, or another website which is easy to plot routes on (bikeroutetoaster won't work for me). Thanks in advance for any help. Smile



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trekbmc
Thanks Grin It works perfectly Grin Will make Classico Tremola now Grin (a cobbled mountain Grin)



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papi_25
Hey, just a question: Is it possible to upload all your stages on the first post, so that people can easily access them when they want to. I'm planning on testing your stages, but not during the exams Grin
 
trekbmc
papi_25 wrote:
Hey, just a question: Is it possible to upload all your stages on the first post, so that people can easily access them when they want to. I'm planning on testing your stages, but not during the exams Grin


I forgot that I could upload them to the first post Pfft I've done it now, thanks for reminding me a thanks a lot for testing them out. Grin



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trekbmc
Really motivated at the moment Grin

I wanted to make a new stage with a cobbled mountain so I did some searching and found Tremola, which is within 100km of Furka Pass, it was too good of an opportunity to pass up and created Classico Tremola a sister race to Classico Furka (in the same way as the Montreal - Quebec weekend or Strade - Roma). The race even begins in Brig, the finishing town of Classico Furka. Grin

On the AI and cobblestones with mountains:

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The mountain is long but the first half is very flat and only the final less than 10km is really steep, so it isn't a pure climbers climb. The cobblestones are set to easiest level as well.

The cobblestones work as more of a foil for the climbers then a determining factor, pure climbers make attacks but are brought back by domestiques for both cobbled terrain and climbers, the first test I did had Valverde, Quintana and Porte as the three best climbers (let the AI select teams and they mixed between cobbles and climbers), Porte won, ahead of Quintana, then Amador then Valverde, however less than 1'30 later a 30 man bunch contested the sprint: Wellens was 5th, Kwiatkowski 6th, Devenys 7th (73mo, 74cb or something), Alaphillipe 8th, Ullisi 9th (who did a lot of domestique work and is below 65 in mo and cb so strange Pfft) and Pozzato 10th. So it really was more a mixture of climbers and cobblists.

The second test I picked teams, with the best 4 climbers and best 4 cobblists from each team. Barguil (77mo) joined the break and Valverde, Rodriguez, Quintana and Nibali attacked before the cobbles but were caught and for most the climb, Wiggins (74mo, 78cb) pulled back every attack with Froome sitting behind him although with about 3.5km to go Nibali and Valverde got away and sprinted out the win (won by Nibali). In the main group they had about 20 riders with 2km left and Froome had been dropped, when Devyns attacked (73mo,74cb) and was followed by Rodriguez, who couldn't even keep his wheel and hit the wall, letting Devyns finish 3rd, although Rodriguez still came 4th. In the group (still 20 riders at the finish) Visconti (73mo,70cb) and Amador (78mo,71cb) got 5th and 6th ahead of Van den Broeck, Hesjedahl, Geniez and Schleck with Wiggins, Quintana and Contador finishing 12th, 13th and 14th.

tl;dr: It works as a climbers race where the cobblestones make it hard to get away and can advantage riders who can climb and cobbles (Devenys Pfft)



Classico Tremola:

i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah164/trekbmc1/PCM0094.jpg


The Classico Tremola begins in Brig, the finishing town of Classico Furka, the route is 185km long and quickly ascends the Hübschorn, which the climbers can make use of to deaden the cobblers legs. The route descends into Italy and makes it's way through the country side before entering back into Switzerland and turning back towards the mountains at Bellinzona. After 60 or so kilometres of flat roads, the route reaches Tremola, where the slopes slowly increase until the final steep section, which is cobbled, a big disadvantage to pure climbers. The winner of Classico Tremola will be crowned in Airolo at the summit of Tremola.

Screenshots:

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Download: https://www.media...ftbph38wd2

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Also, I'm quite motivated with stage making at the moment, so expect to see more stages soon, I'm still open to requests and suggestions (for classics, preferably fantasy). I'm also planning to go back to Benelux tour, but my motivation is low for stage 3 in particular, I might just skip ahead and go to 4 Pfft

Anyway, I hope Tremola is good, any feedback is welcome. Grin



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