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How to plan a career?
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 19-08-2012 15:50
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MartijnVDD wrote:
Is the training potential random?
I've started a few careers to test this and the stars are never the same. Doesn't matter if I check the Random Database option or not.
I figured it's determined by age and how high the skill already is, but what else? Specialisation? Database?
Are you talking about real or young riders (generated by the game)? If real, every rider has a value in DYN_cyclist which corresponds to potential, in column value_i_potential more exactly. But their limits won't always be the same, there's a small gap in which they can vary (like 80-82 max for Pot 7 - just saying out values, I haven't checked the real ones), so the stars may also vary.
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| stu-sgn |
Posted on 29-08-2012 20:11
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I have another planning question. I'm a noob when it comes to cycling so I apologize in advance if the answer is obvious.
Is it a good strategy to withdraw riders from races after their important stages are completed in order to keep their number of race days down?
For example should I withdraw a sprinter from Dauphine after the flat stages are complete (since the last 4 stages are mountain or hills). Or should I withdraw a TT specialist after the TTT stage of Giro del Trentino since the remaining stages are all mountains?
Are there any negative implications for the rider or team if I withdraw them? |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 29-08-2012 20:34
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In real life this does not happen often but it can be a good strategy in PCM. |
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 29-08-2012 20:37
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 29-08-2012 21:08
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You can withdraw, but if you want to take the point jersey, you have to stay until the end.
And you could use your TT riders as domestiques for the climbers. But that's not necessary, though. |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 29-08-2012 22:04
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I don't usually withdraw riders from races unless there's some special reason. I think the only time I did it was in the Vuelta. I had EBH and I was only going to stage wins. After about 6-7 stages I got my win so I took him out of the race to keep his race days down before the WC.
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 29-08-2012 22:52
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Wow how I messed up so bad? My earlier post was meant to be in "Making Leader Jerseys - 2012"  
To complement a bit more, if you withdraw a rider it's one less rider for the team, if you want to chase the break or protect the leader jersey (by chasing the break ), for example. Also, for example, most sprinters will use the Dauphine as prep for the TdF, so quitting early will have a negative effect on that.
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 30-08-2012 00:27
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There are some situations in which it would be better to withdraw your riders from a strategic point of view. For example, when one rider is slightly injured so he won't perform for several days during the race, when two races overlap and you want the same rider to be in the beginning of the first one and the whole second one, when you are saving race days for more important races and so on. Most of these withdrawals could be seen as gamey since the AI doesn't do that, but you can play the game the way you want.
Keep in mind, that sometimes you need a full roster so to be able to chase breakaways, to help your main rider after a crash or a flat tire or to perform well in a future TTT (but to be honest, most of the times you don't lack of riders even after losing one or two during a race).
Disclaimer: The above post reflects just the personal opinion of the author and not a fact. But if you read it, you must accept it as the ultimate truth.
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| Lachi |
Posted on 30-08-2012 00:48
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It should be obvious not to withdraw necessary riders.
But if you have a small team nothing speaks against withdrawing some riders from long race like the GT races. For example Argos does not need 9 riders in the vuelta. In the game it is almost impossible to build a sprint train with that team anyway, so theoretically 4 riders are enough, 2 to protect Degenkolb and one to fetch water. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 30-08-2012 01:49
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I always take a 6 rider team to races that have a 6-8 span. Of course my guys still end up with 80 race days, but not for their peaks.
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy |
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| MacC |
Posted on 30-08-2012 11:07
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Is it true in real life that if a rider withdraws from, for example, the tour of france, he is ineligible for any other races that take part during the period of the race, for exampler, Poland?
I ask becuase I dont think this is true of the game.... |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 30-08-2012 11:09
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MacC wrote:
Is it true in real life that if a rider withdraws from, for example, the tour of france, he is ineligible for any other races that take part during the period of the race, for exampler, Poland?
I ask becuase I dont think this is true of the game....
That is true unless they are ill.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 30-08-2012 11:19
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In the game you can withdraw and enter the next race, no problem. |
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| Mithrillian |
Posted on 30-08-2012 11:48
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I'd like to know what happens if your last rider quits in the middle of a race. Would they sim or do you have to watch? |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 30-08-2012 13:40
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You can try it. Make a copy of your save, load it and withdraw all your riders.
But I am pretty sure that the race will just go on normally.
Edited by Lachi on 30-08-2012 13:41
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 30-08-2012 13:44
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All my riders crashed out once in Poland. It makes you load the screens and stuff but there is no 2d race.
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| Lachi |
Posted on 30-08-2012 13:46
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I guess he meant the stage which is going on at the moment.
And I think you mean that it is not possible to view the 3D race if you have no riders in the race anymore. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 30-08-2012 13:52
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Yes it is. if it happens. If I remember correctly, the panel would act just as if 1 rider was out and you could just watch the pack.
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy |
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| Mithrillian |
Posted on 30-08-2012 16:07
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I see. Thanks for the reply. Would be very weird though, never seen an entire team drop out (in my career, Lotto-Belisol had an unlucky tour and finished with only 1 rider, Meersman, after losing all of their other riders, among them at the time nr. 2 in the points classification, Greipel, but this was the worst I ever saw). |
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| stu-sgn |
Posted on 30-09-2012 03:13
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Sorry to resurrect an old thread but I have two more planning questions and didn't think they were worth opening a new one.
1) For those of you who use the fitness planning excel spreadsheet, what level training fatigue do you try to keep your rider under for their most important races? 4000? 6000? 8000?
2) The 2nd question may be more of a racing question. For stages/classics that are classified as flat but have climbs along the route what type of rider do you select as your leader? Puncher? Sprinter with hill abilities (ie Sagan)? Or do almost all flat stages end in a group sprint keeping sprinters without hill skills (ie Cavendish) in the mix?
Obvious examples of races I'm talking about are MSR, Plouay, Quebec, etc. Also what about a stage like Stage 1 of Bayern Rundfahrt which has a category 1 climb a little over the halfway mark but relatively flat for the last 100km or so?
I've had zero luck in these types of races so just wondering if I'm picking the wrong riders to lead the team. |
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