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| jph27 |
Posted on 27-12-2011 14:07
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fcancellara wrote:
Probably greater things. Why the F*CK is the computer even invented? Ifthey were never invented, we could easily live without them. If we would throw all our computers away now, we probably can't live without them.
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 27-12-2011 14:09
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jph27 wrote:
fcancellara wrote:
Probably greater things. Why the F*CK is the computer even invented? Ifthey were never invented, we could easily live without them. If we would throw all our computers away now, we probably can't live without them.
The irony that you are saying this by using a computer.
I think that's the point; we've now become addicted to it. And addicted to a game to the point of frequently visiting an online site about it =P
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 27-12-2011 14:19
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fcancellara wrote:
Probably greater things. Why the F*CK is the computer even invented? Ifthey were never invented, we could easily live without them. If we would throw all our computers away now, we probably can't live without them.
If computers had never been invented the entire society would be set back God knows how many decades. We wouldn't have a fraction of the things we use in our everyday life. |
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 27-12-2011 14:36
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cactus-jack wrote:
fcancellara wrote:
Probably greater things. Why the F*CK is the computer even invented? Ifthey were never invented, we could easily live without them. If we would throw all our computers away now, we probably can't live without them.
If computers had never been invented the entire society would be set back God knows how many decades. We wouldn't have a fraction of the things we use in our everyday life.
But would that really be a problem?
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 27-12-2011 15:25
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fcancellara wrote:
cactus-jack wrote:
fcancellara wrote:
Probably greater things. Why the F*CK is the computer even invented? Ifthey were never invented, we could easily live without them. If we would throw all our computers away now, we probably can't live without them.
If computers had never been invented the entire society would be set back God knows how many decades. We wouldn't have a fraction of the things we use in our everyday life.
But would that really be a problem?
Seeing as this would include medicine, security and a lot of things (which I'm too lazy to stop and write down now) other than the ones related to 'leisure', which improves people's lives condition remarkably, then yes, it'd make a difference. Just think that people died at 45 in 1900, in the most-developed countries of Europe. Obviously there are also controversies in people living a lot longer, but summing up, people's life condition is better nowadays than ever.
Spoiler waiting for someone who knows a lot more than me to destroy or agree with me =P
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 27-12-2011 15:30
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fcancellara wrote:
cactus-jack wrote:
fcancellara wrote:
Probably greater things. Why the F*CK is the computer even invented? Ifthey were never invented, we could easily live without them. If we would throw all our computers away now, we probably can't live without them.
If computers had never been invented the entire society would be set back God knows how many decades. We wouldn't have a fraction of the things we use in our everyday life.
But would that really be a problem?
That is THE question for thousands of years, in many different forms and ages. And as we still not have the satisfiyng answer i doubt we will solve it here  Progress is unavoidable.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 27-12-2011 15:46
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We are the problem not the computers. Computers are made to make our work easier and to enjoy some free time surfing the Internet, playing video games or do whatever people like to do on their computers.
The fact that some people chose to socialize on line rather than going out and interact with other people and become addicted to computers is their own fault, not the computer's.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 27-12-2011 17:08
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lluuiiggii wrote:
Just think that people died at 45 in 1900, in the most-developed countries of Europe. Obviously there are also controversies in people living a lot longer, but summing up, people's life condition is better nowadays than ever.
There was quite an important infant mortality in 1900, which made the average life expectancy quite low. But your life expectancy, if you'd reach the adult age, wasn't much smaller than in the late XXth century.
Adults have been commonly living to their 60's for ages, mind you. 
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The fact that some people chose to socialize on line rather than going out and interact with other people and become addicted to computers is their own fault, not the computer's.
Only a Sith deals with absolutes.
What you wrote is simply not true. What we are is of course genetics, etc. but also the result of how our environment affects us. If people didn't have computers to socialize on line, then what ? Because it's their fault (in your opinion) that they socialize on line, then they wouldn't socialize at all ? Or would they all socialize in real life instead ? Neither. Some would, some wouldn't. What does it prove ? That by making it easier for them to socialize on line, computers make them do it. So, it's not 100 % people's fault. QED.
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 27-12-2011 17:15
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fcancellara wrote:
cactus-jack wrote:
fcancellara wrote:
Probably greater things. Why the F*CK is the computer even invented? Ifthey were never invented, we could easily live without them. If we would throw all our computers away now, we probably can't live without them.
If computers had never been invented the entire society would be set back God knows how many decades. We wouldn't have a fraction of the things we use in our everyday life.
But would that really be a problem?
A problem? A short, short list of just a fraction of things that require computer technology: GPS, Satelites, TV, Radio, air travel, space travel, etc...
A world without computer technology wouldn't be just you not being able to access Facebook, it would by all and all set us back a hundred years at least. |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 27-12-2011 17:22
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Aquarius wrote:
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The fact that some people chose to socialize on line rather than going out and interact with other people and become addicted to computers is their own fault, not the computer's.
Only a Sith deals with absolutes.
What you wrote is simply not true. What we are is of course genetics, etc. but also the result of how our environment affects us. If people didn't have computers to socialize on line, then what ? Because it's their fault (in your opinion) that they socialize on line, then they wouldn't socialize at all ? Or would they all socialize in real life instead ? Neither. Some would, some wouldn't. What does it prove ? That by making it easier for them to socialize on line, computers make them do it. So, it's not 100 % people's fault. QED.
What I tried to say was that it's people choice to socialize on line and no one is forcing them. I didn't say that they shouldn't socialize on line. I just wanted to say that socializing "face to face" is better and people should put it before the on line socialization.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 27-12-2011 18:01
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cactus-jack wrote:
fcancellara wrote:
cactus-jack wrote:
fcancellara wrote:
Probably greater things. Why the F*CK is the computer even invented? Ifthey were never invented, we could easily live without them. If we would throw all our computers away now, we probably can't live without them.
If computers had never been invented the entire society would be set back God knows how many decades. We wouldn't have a fraction of the things we use in our everyday life.
But would that really be a problem?
A problem? A short, short list of just a fraction of things that require computer technology: GPS, Satelites, TV, Radio, air travel, space travel, etc...
A world without computer technology wouldn't be just you not being able to access Facebook, it would by all and all set us back a hundred years at least.
It wouldn't be a problem because, if computers hadn't been invented, you wouldn't miss them, as you can't miss something you have never known. And radios and airplanes existed way before computers, so we could surely have them (in a less advanced way, sure) even if computers didn't exist.
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| ruben |
Posted on 27-12-2011 18:20
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cactus-jack wrote:
fcancellara wrote:
Probably greater things. Why the F*CK is the computer even invented? Ifthey were never invented, we could easily live without them. If we would throw all our computers away now, we probably can't live without them.
If computers had never been invented the entire society would be set back God knows how many decades. We wouldn't have a fraction of the things we use in our everyday life.
Indeed. Living without a computer or internet now would set the world back a lot. Like living in the stone age.
I grew up without, and am thankful for that, but god no I don't want to go back to that time.
This is typical human behavior though. People always romanticize past times, when really, they weren't that great. That's because we tend to remember only the good parts, and forget most bad parts.
Old people, hey even me already, always complain that the past was better. I myself, 25 years only, already complain about the younger generations and the new times, while really, the old times weren't any better. They were worse.
But like I said, this is typical human behavior... |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 27-12-2011 18:47
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kumazan wrote:
It wouldn't be a problem because, if computers hadn't been invented, you wouldn't miss them, as you can't miss something you have never known. And radios and airplanes existed way before computers, so we could surely have them (in a less advanced way, sure) even if computers didn't exist.
The most advanced form of communication we would have would be a telegraph. You must remember that "computers" arn't just PCs and Macs, but they are everything. As good as everything we use today depends on computer technology, even the simplest aircrafts. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 27-12-2011 19:39
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cactus-jack wrote:
kumazan wrote:
It wouldn't be a problem because, if computers hadn't been invented, you wouldn't miss them, as you can't miss something you have never known. And radios and airplanes existed way before computers, so we could surely have them (in a less advanced way, sure) even if computers didn't exist.
The most advanced form of communication we would have would be a telegraph. You must remember that "computers" arn't just PCs and Macs, but they are everything. As good as everything we use today depends on computer technology, even the simplest aircrafts.
First computers were built during the WW2, the age of telegraphs was long gone back then... That was 70 years ago, not 110, by the way. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 27-12-2011 19:48
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cactus-jack wrote:
kumazan wrote:
It wouldn't be a problem because, if computers hadn't been invented, you wouldn't miss them, as you can't miss something you have never known. And radios and airplanes existed way before computers, so we could surely have them (in a less advanced way, sure) even if computers didn't exist.
The most advanced form of communication we would have would be a telegraph. You must remember that "computers" arn't just PCs and Macs, but they are everything. As good as everything we use today depends on computer technology, even the simplest aircrafts.
Even if we go by your definition of computer (which I'm sure is not the definition that was being used for the previous discussion), I repeat, you can't miss something you haven't ever know. If computers hadn't been invented, it wouldn't be a drama in anyway.
A totally different question, obvisouly, would be if all of a sudden computers ceased to exist overnight. Of course that'd be terrible, because we have already organized our lives, economy, etc. around them.
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 27-12-2011 22:12
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No, of course we wouldn't miss it, but it would still put us back very far. E-mail for example is crucial in todays world, also; look at the experiments being done by the people working at CERN. Without a computer it would be impossible!
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| kumazan |
Posted on 28-12-2011 12:32
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E-mail is crucial in today's computarized world. It wasn't for countless years of human evolution and certainly wouldn't be in a computerless world.
I'd like to note that I'm not (not even nearly) saying that an alternate world where computers have not been invented would be better, because that would be incredibly regressive and idiotic. What I mean is that it wouldn't be as much of a disaster as you're depicting.
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 28-12-2011 14:45
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What about all the scientific progress that would be absolutely imposible without the use of computers? |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 28-12-2011 16:29
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What about it? Impossible to know what'd happen. Maybe a different tool would've been invented to "susbtitute" (obviously you can't substitute something you haven't had in the first place) computers, but that's just sci-fi.
Still, it's pointless to imagine how an alternate, computerless world would be, because, imo, computers are just an unavoidable product of technological progress. Maybe they could've been a bit different on the computers we know today, but the core of it would be pretty much the same.
Without computers the developed world would be back in the 50s/60s. A good chunk of the human population would be unaffected. As I said, we'd be some decades back, but certainly not in the stone age.
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 28-12-2011 18:06
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I do not agree that you could have an "alternative" to the computer that would perform the same tasks without it being a computer. If such a device had existed it would most likely be able to be used for the same things that we use a computer for today. |
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