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Tuesday, July 3 - Tour de France, Stage 3: Orchies - Boulogne, 197km
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 03-07-2012 21:40
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Hope Siutsou recovers quickly. Damn, the crashes starting soon this year again...  |
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| Vien |
Posted on 03-07-2012 21:48
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Wiggins and Froome "fell" on purpose in the last km. They could've avoided the crashed riders easily, but made a deliberate turn to the left to avoid losing time.
At least that's what Dutch TV footage shows, and it looks obvious to me.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 03-07-2012 21:50
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Vien wrote:
Wiggins and Froome "fell" on purpose in the last km. They could've avoided the crashed riders easily, but made a deliberate turn to the left to avoid losing time.
At least that's what Dutch TV footage shows, and it looks obvious to me.
It was Froome that almost fell over the barrier though  It was Rogers and Wiggins together.
And btw, everyone in the peleton at the time of the crash got the same time as EBH, so even if they managed to pass the crash and ride, they would have gotten same time as EBH.
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 03-07-2012 22:14
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This time neutralization thing is getting a bit out of hand.
There's a saying: The Tour waits for nobody.
I completely agree with this, and if you get hit by something in the last 3 km, or get stuck behind a crash, tough luck. If you suffer the consequences from someone else's mistake, that's just life. No need for silly compensation in the competition.
Hoogerland should have won last year's stage when he crashed into the barbed wire, as well as winning the mountain GC. Did he ever get any proper compensation while it obviously wasn't his fault? No, the only thing he got was the shitty combatative prize of the day, which he had to share with Flecha.
It should just be a matter of 'better luck next time'. No second chances. Shit happens. It's part of life. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 03-07-2012 22:23
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ShortsNL wrote:
This time neutralization thing is getting a bit out of hand.
There's a saying: The Tour waits for nobody.
I completely agree with this, and if you get hit by something in the last 3 km, or get stuck behind a crash, tough luck. If you suffer the consequences from someone else's mistake, that's just life. No need for silly compensation in the competition.
Hoogerland should have won last year's stage when he crashed into the barbed wire, as well as winning the mountain GC. Did he ever get any proper compensation while it obviously wasn't his fault? No, the only thing he got was the shitty combatative prize of the day, which he had to share with Flecha.
It should just be a matter of 'better luck next time'. No second chances. Shit happens. It's part of life.
You wouldn't say that if you were in the tour.
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| CLURPR |
Posted on 03-07-2012 23:13
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baseballlover312 wrote:
ShortsNL wrote:
This time neutralization thing is getting a bit out of hand.
There's a saying: The Tour waits for nobody.
I completely agree with this, and if you get hit by something in the last 3 km, or get stuck behind a crash, tough luck. If you suffer the consequences from someone else's mistake, that's just life. No need for silly compensation in the competition.
Hoogerland should have won last year's stage when he crashed into the barbed wire, as well as winning the mountain GC. Did he ever get any proper compensation while it obviously wasn't his fault? No, the only thing he got was the shitty combatative prize of the day, which he had to share with Flecha.
It should just be a matter of 'better luck next time'. No second chances. Shit happens. It's part of life.
You wouldn't say that if you were in the tour.
+1. Why should you pay for someone elses mistake?
EDIT: I think the Tour waited for Andy Schleck and others to catch up on the cobbles that year...
Edited by CLURPR on 03-07-2012 23:14
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| CLURPR |
Posted on 03-07-2012 23:17
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Vien wrote:
Wiggins and Froome "fell" on purpose in the last km. They could've avoided the crashed riders easily, but made a deliberate turn to the left to avoid losing time.
At least that's what Dutch TV footage shows, and it looks obvious to me.
Froome got clattered into the barriers which he could do nothing about. Wiggins and Rogers both had guys fall in front of them and had to brake hard and come to a stop to avoid going down themselves, like many riders behind them did who ended up not losing time. |
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| pcm2009fan |
Posted on 03-07-2012 23:23
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I think that 3500km of riding throws up enough unfairnesses along the way. I think the riders and the viewers plus the integrity of the tour benifits from letting the riders off the hook on these occasions.
The other 3497km allow plenty of time to break your bones, suffer mechanicals and have stupid fans knocking you off you bike, don't you think? |
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 04-07-2012 00:15
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CLURPR wrote:
Vien wrote:
Wiggins and Froome "fell" on purpose in the last km. They could've avoided the crashed riders easily, but made a deliberate turn to the left to avoid losing time.
At least that's what Dutch TV footage shows, and it looks obvious to me.
Froome got clattered into the barriers which he could do nothing about. Wiggins and Rogers both had guys fall in front of them and had to brake hard and come to a stop to avoid going down themselves, like many riders behind them did who ended up not losing time.
I've taken a look at the crash several times now, it's very clear from the helicopter view. Wiggins had lots of space to the right to avoid the crashed riders, and even the Europcar rider who had a much smaller gap to pass made it through while Wiggins decided to stop. In fact, Rogers who was coming from behind almost crashed into Wiggins, because he obviously thought Wiggins was going to go round the fallen riders when in fact he stopped (they touched shoulders there). If there were 10 kms to go Wiggins would have gone through, but since they were in the final km he decided to stop. Not that you can blame him for being over-cautious in the TdF, he didn't do something wrong (although he almost brought Rogers and a Saur? rider down), but it's wrong to say he couldn't have kept going.
And please people, stop being so much biased. Cavendish does silly celebration = arrogant. Sagan does silly dance celebration = cool and having fun. Wiggins doesn't avoid fallen riders in the last km = he didn't have the space to do it. Same thing about Wiggins = it's a medium mountain stage, give riders their natural gaps.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 04-07-2012 01:16
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ShortsNL wrote:
This time neutralization thing is getting a bit out of hand.
There's a saying: The Tour waits for nobody.
I completely agree with this, and if you get hit by something in the last 3 km, or get stuck behind a crash, tough luck. If you suffer the consequences from someone else's mistake, that's just life. No need for silly compensation in the competition.
Hoogerland should have won last year's stage when he crashed into the barbed wire, as well as winning the mountain GC. Did he ever get any proper compensation while it obviously wasn't his fault? No, the only thing he got was the shitty combatative prize of the day, which he had to share with Flecha.
It should just be a matter of 'better luck next time'. No second chances. Shit happens. It's part of life.
That would make the entire race so nervous. Every team would need to have their GC riders in the top 20 or so of the peloton the entire race, but more importantly they would need to do it in the final 3 kilometres of a sprint stage. Are you looking for a way to cause more crashes on sprint stages? Because making the GC contenders compete with the sprinters for space is the way to do it.
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 04-07-2012 01:23
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CountArach wrote:
ShortsNL wrote:
This time neutralization thing is getting a bit out of hand.
There's a saying: The Tour waits for nobody.
I completely agree with this, and if you get hit by something in the last 3 km, or get stuck behind a crash, tough luck. If you suffer the consequences from someone else's mistake, that's just life. No need for silly compensation in the competition.
Hoogerland should have won last year's stage when he crashed into the barbed wire, as well as winning the mountain GC. Did he ever get any proper compensation while it obviously wasn't his fault? No, the only thing he got was the shitty combatative prize of the day, which he had to share with Flecha.
It should just be a matter of 'better luck next time'. No second chances. Shit happens. It's part of life.
That would make the entire race so nervous. Every team would need to have their GC riders in the top 20 or so of the peloton the entire race, but more importantly they would need to do it in the final 3 kilometres of a sprint stage. Are you looking for a way to cause more crashes on sprint stages? Because making the GC contenders compete with the sprinters for space is the way to do it.
This. If you look at 3km to go on stage 2 you'll notice bang on it Evans drifts back with BMC and the sprinters move forward. Every man for himself and take the consequences would mean more crashes, more abandons and less entertainment. |
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 04-07-2012 01:26
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CLURPR wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
ShortsNL wrote:
This time neutralization thing is getting a bit out of hand.
There's a saying: The Tour waits for nobody.
I completely agree with this, and if you get hit by something in the last 3 km, or get stuck behind a crash, tough luck. If you suffer the consequences from someone else's mistake, that's just life. No need for silly compensation in the competition.
Hoogerland should have won last year's stage when he crashed into the barbed wire, as well as winning the mountain GC. Did he ever get any proper compensation while it obviously wasn't his fault? No, the only thing he got was the shitty combatative prize of the day, which he had to share with Flecha.
It should just be a matter of 'better luck next time'. No second chances. Shit happens. It's part of life.
You wouldn't say that if you were in the tour.
+1. Why should you pay for someone elses mistake?
EDIT: I think the Tour waited for Andy Schleck and others to catch up on the cobbles that year...
Cobbles was in 2010 just to keep you reminded. |
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Posted on 04-07-2012 01:35
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Schleck96 wrote:
CLURPR wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
ShortsNL wrote:
This time neutralization thing is getting a bit out of hand.
There's a saying: The Tour waits for nobody.
I completely agree with this, and if you get hit by something in the last 3 km, or get stuck behind a crash, tough luck. If you suffer the consequences from someone else's mistake, that's just life. No need for silly compensation in the competition.
Hoogerland should have won last year's stage when he crashed into the barbed wire, as well as winning the mountain GC. Did he ever get any proper compensation while it obviously wasn't his fault? No, the only thing he got was the shitty combatative prize of the day, which he had to share with Flecha.
It should just be a matter of 'better luck next time'. No second chances. Shit happens. It's part of life.
You wouldn't say that if you were in the tour.
+1. Why should you pay for someone elses mistake?
EDIT: I think the Tour waited for Andy Schleck and others to catch up on the cobbles that year...
Cobbles was in 2010 just to keep you reminded.
It was a wet and slippery descend in the Ardennes.
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| Coop |
Posted on 04-07-2012 03:11
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CountArach wrote:
ShortsNL wrote:
This time neutralization thing is getting a bit out of hand.
There's a saying: The Tour waits for nobody.
I completely agree with this, and if you get hit by something in the last 3 km, or get stuck behind a crash, tough luck. If you suffer the consequences from someone else's mistake, that's just life. No need for silly compensation in the competition.
Hoogerland should have won last year's stage when he crashed into the barbed wire, as well as winning the mountain GC. Did he ever get any proper compensation while it obviously wasn't his fault? No, the only thing he got was the shitty combatative prize of the day, which he had to share with Flecha.
It should just be a matter of 'better luck next time'. No second chances. Shit happens. It's part of life.
That would make the entire race so nervous. Every team would need to have their GC riders in the top 20 or so of the peloton the entire race, but more importantly they would need to do it in the final 3 kilometres of a sprint stage. Are you looking for a way to cause more crashes on sprint stages? Because making the GC contenders compete with the sprinters for space is the way to do it.
A few things wrong with your observation, this wasn't a peloton, it was a selection and Wiggins SHOULD have been at the front like all the other contenders. This wasn't a "sprint stage" as that little hill at the end kind of told us, therefore those crazy little sprinters and their trains didn't have to compete with the GC riders. Wiggins was in bad position, didn't make much effort to avoid the fallen riders in front of him and took advantage of a rule that made it all legal. Not very sporting, but legal. |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 04-07-2012 03:32
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Coop wrote:
CountArach wrote:
ShortsNL wrote:
This time neutralization thing is getting a bit out of hand.
There's a saying: The Tour waits for nobody.
I completely agree with this, and if you get hit by something in the last 3 km, or get stuck behind a crash, tough luck. If you suffer the consequences from someone else's mistake, that's just life. No need for silly compensation in the competition.
Hoogerland should have won last year's stage when he crashed into the barbed wire, as well as winning the mountain GC. Did he ever get any proper compensation while it obviously wasn't his fault? No, the only thing he got was the shitty combatative prize of the day, which he had to share with Flecha.
It should just be a matter of 'better luck next time'. No second chances. Shit happens. It's part of life.
That would make the entire race so nervous. Every team would need to have their GC riders in the top 20 or so of the peloton the entire race, but more importantly they would need to do it in the final 3 kilometres of a sprint stage. Are you looking for a way to cause more crashes on sprint stages? Because making the GC contenders compete with the sprinters for space is the way to do it.
A few things wrong with your observation, this wasn't a peloton, it was a selection and Wiggins SHOULD have been at the front like all the other contenders. This wasn't a "sprint stage" as that little hill at the end kind of told us, therefore those crazy little sprinters and their trains didn't have to compete with the GC riders. Wiggins was in bad position, didn't make much effort to avoid the fallen riders in front of him and took advantage of a rule that made it all legal. Not very sporting, but legal.
Read the post that I was replying to. He made it clear that he thought the 3km rule should be done away with all together.
Regardless the hill was not long enough to cause a real selection so the race referees made the right call. With these fairly narrow roads and the speed they were shooting up at, avoiding the crash would have been nigh on impossible. On mountain stages things are different because the pace is so low but this was not a mountain stage.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 04-07-2012 06:01
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We need the neutralisation rule, but in some cases it is really stupid, as Wiggins probably would have lost some time to Evans because he sucked on that last hill and the crash helped him a bit. But these are the rules...
Btw. Did anyone mentioned what Sagan said in his interwiev? One would expect he will speak about how happy he is, but his first words came to the criticism of the motorbikes with cameras. That they are riding dangerously close and according to his words one motorbike crashed a bit into him with 30kms to go and brought him and the others to the ground, but nothing serious (i have to say i did not spotted anything like that). And that was not first crashed caused by motorbike this year, he sounded pissed.
P.S. Luuiiggii Maybe i am biased but i ask one more time if showing middle finger and dancing on the bike (btw. Sagan is saying he was doing Forrest Gump  ). is comparable in being silly and disrespectful. I think not and it is only my oppinion, i am not forcing it to anyone, one can think what he wants. But i have to laugh at comparsion of personalities of Cav and Peter, from what i have seen and heard from them.
Edit: Btw. some reaction from opponents on Peter:
Chavanel: "Beating Sagan at this hill was impossible"
Cancellara: "Sagan has incredible acceleration. I was in front of him at one point and suddenly he was gone. He was unbeatable"
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 04-07-2012 06:05
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 04-07-2012 06:09
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Yes, Sagan genuinely looks like he enjoys winning/dominating.
He seems a lot nicer in interviews too.
Maybe his celebrations are a little cocky, but he's never had a disrespectful celebration so far, so I dont know why he's being compared to Cav. Different riding styles, different personalities....
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Posted on 04-07-2012 06:32
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Btw. Did anyone mentioned what Sagan said in his interwiev? One would expect he will speak about how happy he is, but his first words came to the criticism of the motorbikes with cameras. That they are riding dangerously close and according to his words one motorbike crashed a bit into him with 30kms to go and brought him and the others to the ground, but nothing serious (i have to say i did not spotted anything like that). And that was not first crashed caused by motorbike this year, he sounded pissed.
Those retards riding it fuck up the race in many occasions. When a break makes it for one second or so, and you've gotten a huge long front close up shot of the leading rider, you can say its success is due to the motorbike pacing. Cancellara in MSR this season is one blatant example. I've been pissed by it all through the Spring classics. And I haven't watched that much pro cycling since then, but it sounds like it's still the same. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 04-07-2012 07:06
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For all the haters, here is a gif(t). Run Forrest, Run!
Btw. unspecified teammate gave Peter advice to do this celebration...
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 04-07-2012 07:07
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| CountArach |
Posted on 04-07-2012 07:25
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
For all the haters, here is a gif(t). Run Forrest, Run!
Btw. unspecified teammate gave Peter advice to do this celebration...
That was bad advice. When I criticised it earlier it wasn't because I thought he was rubbing it in people's faces (though there is an element of that), but rather it just looked stupid...
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