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Mafia IX | Tick Tock Tick Tock
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 22-06-2019 14:22
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jseadog1 wrote:
sammy has a point with his last message. We need to be correct today and it might actually be time to start revealing roles. I will get other opinions (TMM!) and maybe bbl before I continue with any revelations, but we are skating on thin ice right now.
The line I have bolded is why I want to hear from Jseadog again the most out of anyone right now. The wording suggests he has something to reveal rather than he thinks the town has something to reveal, although it could just be that he is one of the neighbours, which considering we don't know the alignment of either one I'm not sure how helpful that would be.
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 22-06-2019 14:23
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I have a question TMM, isn't who visited sammy someone that called him normal townie before? In that case he is very likely the framer.
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 22-06-2019 14:38
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Another question to TMM, if you feel useful, who was the one visited by jandal on night 1?
I assume that if you know he had a power role is because you tracked him on first night. Right?
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 22-06-2019 14:43
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df_Trek wrote:
Another question to TMM, if you feel useful, who was the one visited by jandal on night 1?
I assume that if you know he had a power role is because you tracked him on first night. Right?
I really like this question, because if it was Ryant we know he was the doctor, and not the detective, as there would be no reason for the detective to investigate ryant, who was by that point a confirmed townie.
btw, it's taken me a while but that has just made me realise the mystery person must have been tracked by TMM night 2, as he can only track 1 person each night and Jandal wasn't alive night 2 so must have been tracked on night 1.
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 22-06-2019 14:47
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Yes for sure, my question isn't referred to which night, but if it's right that he knows jandal was power roled by tracking him
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 22-06-2019 14:48
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TMM, you make a pretty stupid assumption here. You believe Sammy is innocent, sure. If you're really the tracker, your theory would make sense I suppose.
Then, how does that make the 3 united votes against him mafia? That's a pretty big assumption with next to no evidence or precedent in how the game is played. I mean, chances are that at least of that group is (if I had to pick, knowing I'm innocent, my money would be on trekbmc), but it would be a pretty aggressive move by the mafia to simply give themselves away as a cohort by pushing a vote together, especially when by not doing so, they could almost guarantee a win. They only need one wrong lynch in the next few days after all.
In any case, I know that your theory is wrong and will result in a game loss, so I'm sticking to my guns. It's not exactly that I don't trust you, it's just that I know if I die instead, we lose. Unless we get another lead, I'll take a 75% chance of loss (or whatever it is) over a 100%, and we'll see what happens with the undecided votes.
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 22-06-2019 14:55
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df_Trek wrote:
Yes for sure, my question isn't referred to which night, but if it's right that he knows jandal was power roled by tracking him
I understand that, but until you mentioned it I hadn't realised tracking Jandal meant the other person had to have visited me night 2, after quadsas had died, so could be the framer trying to make me out as mafia for an easy win or could be detective thinking me most likely suspect and trying to rule me out. I strongly doubt the doctor would try to save me as saving ryant would have made much more sense.
If that person doesn't claim their role then TMM can just reveal them to be the framer, but we shouldn't instalynch as we can use the rest of the day to try and uncover the other 2 mafia.
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 22-06-2019 14:59
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If what TMM says is true, in my most likely scenario the framer visited you on day 2. That's the reason why he likely won't claim himself, but if TMM make his name, he will be my target for the lynch, 100%
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 22-06-2019 15:03
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df_Trek wrote:
If what TMM says is true, in my most likely scenario the framer visited you on day 2. That's the reason why he likely won't claim himself, but if TMM make his name, he will be my target for the lynch, 100%
Agreed, I just want to make sure townies don't pile on to that lynch too quickly for us to get anything else useful out of the day after that reveal.
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 22-06-2019 15:15
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Quite a lot of interesting developments, two points I'd like to make are that:
1. Sammy, you're saying if the detective doesn't reveal then you're being framed? That's not necessarily true, though a detective reveal does make more sense today than on previous days because we need to lynch correctly today.
2. Don't forget that TMM and Sammy could be in cahoots and trying to save themselves, hoping that the tracker is dead or at the very least that they can lynch a townie today as the claim only came once the pressure was really on them, I'm not saying that's true necessarily, but I feel like we're being a bit too accepting of a claim under pressure from some pretty suspicious players prior to that claim.
That said, we do have to be really careful as we can't afford to make a mistake today. I'll sleep on it and reassess which way my vote should go in the morning.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 22-06-2019 15:16
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I'm sticking firm by my theory. Trekbmc, BLL and df_trek, and we should lynch BBL (because he's already got 2 votes and we can knock him out easier from here)
Seeing df_trek move to Lynch no-one instead of BBL? You either agree with me and lynch him, or your trying to protect the mafia by not voting on him.
And you want me to give up the name of who i think is the detective? No, because you'll just kill him instead.
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 22-06-2019 15:25
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Lynch BBL
In my mind the Doctor is dead or Ryant would still be alive (i honestly don't think the Mafia would have used the strongman on him).
We cannot lynch sammy Someone visited him last night.
If it was the framer, we know he's town because the mafia can't frame themselves.
If it was the Detective we know he's innocent or the Detective would have started the lynching on him. And that person has not voted to lynch sammy out of the three who have.
So conclusion, i think BBL, Trekbmc and df_trek are all mafia. I know who visited Sammy, they have not lynched him. So my theory is that person is th Detective and knows they are innocent. I also believe they visited me on night one (a hunch, no real evidence) and know i am innocent. There's three mafia and three lynch votes on him, with the rest of us not being united.
BBL will now have two votes. I am urging the rest of the town to move and lynch BBL.
If i am wrong, we still kill an innocent and we lose in the night, and nothing changes about where the game is going.
If i am right we kill a mafia member and know who the other two are, and we win!
There, that's my piece. I said wait two nights for the Tracker and Detective to get a good read on the game!
I've given time for a counter claim and nobody has come forward.
Theirfor, im going to trust TMM. Please don't make me look stupid.
Lynch BBL
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 22-06-2019 15:30
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I have no reason to defend bbl but neither to kill him right now. What about my second question on who visited jandal?
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 22-06-2019 15:34
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trekbmc wrote:
Quite a lot of interesting developments, two points I'd like to make are that:
1. Sammy, you're saying if the detective doesn't reveal then you're being framed? That's not necessarily true, though a detective reveal does make more sense today than on previous days because we need to lynch correctly today.
2. Don't forget that TMM and Sammy could be in cahoots and trying to save themselves, hoping that the tracker is dead or at the very least that they can lynch a townie today as the claim only came once the pressure was really on them, I'm not saying that's true necessarily, but I feel like we're being a bit too accepting of a claim under pressure from some pretty suspicious players prior to that claim.
That said, we do have to be really careful as we can't afford to make a mistake today. I'll sleep on it and reassess which way my vote should go in the morning.
1. I'm saying that it is unlikely to have been the doctor (because why would I get saved?), so it would have to have been either the detective or the framer. If the detective doesn't step forward and say they are the one that visited me it suggests it was the framer. It doesn't make sense to me for the detective to let the tracker reveal their role instead of coming forward themselves now they know that someone has narrowed them down to either framer or detective and is willing to call them out.
2. I believe TMM is the Tracker as the only way he wouldn't get counter claimed is if Jandal was the tracker, as we know it wasn't Ryant, Quadsas or Marco. There isn't any reason for the tracker to let a mafia claim the role and not speak up themselves.
Basically if TMM isn't counter claimed then I'm confident he is the genuine Tracker, which means if it was the detective that visited me then he has to come forward as TMM will reveal him if he doesn't, If he lets TMM reveal him instead of coming forward it implicates him as the framer instead.
If the framer comes forward and claims detective then they will get counter claimed and we will know one of the 2 is mafia and one of the 2 is confirmed town and likely to get killed the night after we kill the framer, if we lynch the right one, but we should focus on the others first before making that call as the mafia then wouldn't kill the detective as it would reveal the framer, so we can make that decision later on.
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 22-06-2019 15:40
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TheManxMissile wrote:
I'm sticking firm by my theory. Trekbmc, BLL and df_trek, and we should lynch BBL (because he's already got 2 votes and we can knock him out easier from here)
Seeing df_trek move to Lynch no-one instead of BBL? You either agree with me and lynch him, or your trying to protect the mafia by not voting on him.
And you want me to give up the name of who i think is the detective? No, because you'll just kill him instead.
Do you think they are the detective or the framer? As it could have been either one that visited me.
Can you at least confirm if you were tracking the mystery person night 2 and they visited me or if you were tracking me and saw them visit me, as I think we are still a little confused on how the tracker role exactly works, whether you can only see who that person visits or if you can see anyone that visits them or if it's both.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 22-06-2019 15:46
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As tracker, i pick one person to follow. I then see if they did an action on a different player.
So night one i pick Jandal. I see jandal did an action (but i don't know what action) on someone else.
Night two i picked player x, they did an action on sammy.
Yes they could be Framer or Detective. I believe they are Detective based on other actions and comments made during the game, as well as suspect play from trek, bbl and df.
Eg. I've made this call, and all three have responded however neither trek nor df have joined the cause against bbl where hillis has (you lynched bbl before i suggested it, so again it's more evidence to support my theory).
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 22-06-2019 15:49
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I have to aware TMM that if we get the wrong lynch we are going to lose, so why not try to understand better about who we are lynching? And looking that you are wrong on me (ok there are no proofs but actually I'm protown)
If bbl is wrong too you don't need anymore the presumed detective you are firmly protecting
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 22-06-2019 15:51
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I just don't want to start a fast train on bbl despite from my evidence there's a kind of 60% he can be mafia
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 22-06-2019 15:56
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Boy, Croatia and JDogs responses to this are gonna be important!
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 22-06-2019 15:56
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df_Trek wrote:
I have to aware TMM that if we get the wrong lynch we are going to lose, so why not try to understand better about who we are lynching? And looking that you are wrong on me (ok there are no proofs but actually I'm protown)
If bbl is wrong too you don't need anymore the presumed detective you are firmly protecting
If he is referring to the player I suspect it to be then that player hasn't posted in this thread since, and it makes sense for TMM to wait to see what they will do when they next post.
And if TMM's comment leads me to think it is the player that I suspect it to be then I'd agree they are more likely to be detective than framer, judging by something I picked up on that they previously posted and me being a likely detective check target for them.
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