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2012 DB: Stat Discussions
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| jph27 |
Posted on 26-05-2012 21:05
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
I am not sure if the Giro stats will be updated when the final version will be released, but here you have few rider stats think will be changed. Obviously this was done quickly and I omitted many riders that stats will be changed, those are top off my head 
Hesjedal ----> 80/81 MO
Basso ----> 79/80 MO
Slagter ----> 75 HI
Uran ----> 78 MO
Pozzovivo ----> 78 MO
De Gendt -----> 78 MO
Hesjedal-> 79
Scarponi-> 80
Purito-> 80
Basso->79
Pozzo->78
Uran->77
De Gendt-> 76
Henao-> 77
Rujano->50
Kreuzinger-> less recovery
A consistency stat would come in really handy right now.
Recovery is like consistency, as it is related to how well form is held I believe. Also, Rujano getting 50 is just stupidity. One bad grand tour does not turn your climbing ability into that of Theo Bos. |
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| Rammus |
Posted on 26-05-2012 21:13
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Depending on how de gendt does tommorow I think increasing his recovery substantially is more important than some of his other stats. As we saw in the tour last year in the final mountain stage + time trial he did really well compared to how he performed earlier on in the race, and also as we are seeing in this Giro right at the end of 3 weeks. He is pretty much the definition of recovery ! |
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| Tilion |
Posted on 26-05-2012 21:14
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why Hesjedal less mo than purito or scarponi? he was stronger yesterday so he deserves for same stats than purito and scarponi. Also DE Gent deserves for 78/79 couse it was hardest stage. and look at game. riders with less than 80 climbing and hills can't win GT. And becouse of that i think it isnt't fair. Cobo won Vuelta last year and look at his stats. 78/75, and now tell me how it is possible that he won with Froome who have 77/77/77. This is stupid |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 26-05-2012 21:15
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jph27 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
I am not sure if the Giro stats will be updated when the final version will be released, but here you have few rider stats think will be changed. Obviously this was done quickly and I omitted many riders that stats will be changed, those are top off my head
Hesjedal ----> 80/81 MO
Basso ----> 79/80 MO
Slagter ----> 75 HI
Uran ----> 78 MO
Pozzovivo ----> 78 MO
De Gendt -----> 78 MO
Hesjedal-> 79
Scarponi-> 80
Purito-> 80
Basso->79
Pozzo->78
Uran->77
De Gendt-> 76
Henao-> 77
Rujano->50
Kreuzinger-> less recovery
A consistency stat would come in really handy right now.
Recovery is like consistency, as it is related to how well form is held I believe. Also, Rujano getting 50 is just stupidity. One bad grand tour does not turn your climbing ability into that of Theo Bos.
It's called exaggerating for emphasis.
Edited by baseballlover312 on 26-05-2012 21:16
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 26-05-2012 21:24
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Tilion wrote:
why Hesjedal less mo than purito or scarponi? he was stronger yesterday so he deserves for same stats than purito and scarponi. Also DE Gent deserves for 78/79 couse it was hardest stage. and look at game. riders with less than 80 climbing and hills can't win GT. And becouse of that i think it isnt't fair. Cobo won Vuelta last year and look at his stats. 78/75, and now tell me how it is possible that he won with Froome who have 77/77/77. This is stupid
Ymmm, Froome was a better rider and would have won the Vuelta if not helping Wiggins
Also De Gendt lost time to other favourites in other mountain stages except this, and it was the favourites fault to let him. Still deserves about 77/78.
Edited by Alakagom on 26-05-2012 21:25
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| Tilion |
Posted on 26-05-2012 21:31
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he would won Vuelta but he didn't, he was better then Cobo at tt, but look at moutains! and, tell me how it's possible that winner of vuelta has 78/75, and Robert Gesink who didn't win anything important has 80 mo... Alto de l'Angliru is one of the hardest hills in the europe, and if i am not wrong Mollema who was 4th has better stats than Cobo too. |
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| fickman |
Posted on 26-05-2012 21:32
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Im really piss off at Rujano because I had him in my Fantasy Team, but the truth is he hasnt won anything this year.
2 at Le Tour de Langkawi
5 at Giro del Trentino
9 at Settimana Ciclistica Internazionale Coppi Bartali
77 / 78 Mo and Rec -75 |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 26-05-2012 21:34
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Tilion wrote:
he would won Vuelta but he didn't, he was better then Cobo at tt, but look at moutains! and, tell me how it's possible that winner of vuelta has 78/75, and Robert Gesink who didn't win anything important has 80 mo... Alto de l'Angliru is one of the hardest hills in the europe, and if i am not wrong Mollema who was 4th has better stats than Cobo too.
Alto de l'Angliru is a mountain and so only MO counts and it's higher than both Mollema's and Froome's Also if you do not count bonus seconds at Vuelta, Froome would have won Vuelta and Cobo would have come 2nd
Ummm, did you see what happened to Gesink last year ? Injuries and falls and a broken leg. He has potential and with right form he is a great climber and much better than Cobo. 5th in Tour shows that and is already performing well this year, unlike Cobo
Edited by Alakagom on 26-05-2012 21:35
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| Tilion |
Posted on 26-05-2012 21:37
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And one more thing. Stats have to small difference. Contador is much better than Schleck and he have just 1 climbing more. |
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| fernando97 |
Posted on 26-05-2012 21:41
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DOPER!
No way he deserves more! |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 26-05-2012 21:48
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Sorry I had to post this 
Last time we had them both competing in top shape at Tour 2010 they were comparable, to me the stats with the are fine.
Edited by Alakagom on 26-05-2012 21:48
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 26-05-2012 21:49
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Tilion wrote:
And one more thing. Stats have to small difference. Contador is much better than Schleck and he have just 1 climbing more.
Stats have a 35 point-range from worst of the worse to best of the best. Add to that the fact that worst of the worse aren't added in the DB, and that best of the best have 83 (set it on 85 and young riders won't be good enough to challenge them ever), and you get an 8 point difference from a TdF winner and a Giro Top 20th. The point-range is too small, we can do nothing about it. And we truly saw how much better Contador is than Andy on the 2010 Tour.
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| Tilion |
Posted on 26-05-2012 21:50
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Alakagom wrote:
Tilion wrote:
he would won Vuelta but he didn't, he was better then Cobo at tt, but look at moutains! and, tell me how it's possible that winner of vuelta has 78/75, and Robert Gesink who didn't win anything important has 80 mo... Alto de l'Angliru is one of the hardest hills in the europe, and if i am not wrong Mollema who was 4th has better stats than Cobo too.
Alto de l'Angliru is a mountain and so only MO counts and it's higher than both Mollema's and Froome's Also if you do not count bonus seconds at Vuelta, Froome would have won Vuelta and Cobo would have come 2nd
Ummm, did you see what happened to Gesink last year ? Injuries and falls and a broken leg. He has potential and with right form he is a great climber and much better than Cobo. 5th in Tour shows that and is already performing well this year, unlike Cobo
W8 you gonna tell me that tour is harder race than Vuelta? and 5th place isn't win;p and at the end look what happened to Scarponi, Nibali, Purito at Vuelta. They have 80+ climbing. and season haven't end yet so Cobo will show his skills at Vuelta or Tour. |
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| Tilion |
Posted on 26-05-2012 21:54
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lluuiiggii wrote:
Tilion wrote:
And one more thing. Stats have to small difference. Contador is much better than Schleck and he have just 1 climbing more.
Stats have a 35 point-range from worst of the worse to best of the best. Add to that the fact that worst of the worse aren't added in the DB, and that best of the best have 83 (set it on 85 and young riders won't be good enough to challenge them ever), and you get an 8 point difference from a TdF winner and a Giro Top 20th. The point-range is too small, we can do nothing about it. And we truly saw how much better Contador is than Andy on the 2010 Tour.
Yea this is sad;/ and now at databases form the beggining of 20th century we've got Armstrong and Pantani with same climbing;p I think pantani was best climber ever so.. maby creators of the game should change stat limit to 100? |
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| Eddie Tha Boss |
Posted on 26-05-2012 22:02
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I just wanted to mension that Lars Petter Nordhaug is much better, you all saw him in Amstel gold race. He had probably won if it wassent for Damiano Cunego that cycled right in him. i think he is around 75-76 in mountains and hills. |
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| kissaha |
Posted on 26-05-2012 22:06
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Eddie Tha Boss wrote:
I just wanted to mension that Lars Petter Nordhaug is much better, you all saw him in Amstel gold race. He had probably won if it wassent for Damiano Cunego that cycled right in him. i think he is around 75-76 in mountains and hills.
His stats are 75/75 already... |
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| Eddie Tha Boss |
Posted on 26-05-2012 22:09
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Yeah, i almost forgot. Pozzovivo is better than that. He did it really good in Giro del trentino and Giro d'italia so far. He just go in front and drive them off. He deserves like 79++ in mountains and hills.
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| Eddie Tha Boss |
Posted on 26-05-2012 22:11
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kissaha wrote:
Eddie Tha Boss wrote:
I just wanted to mension that Lars Petter Nordhaug is much better, you all saw him in Amstel gold race. He had probably won if it wassent for Damiano Cunego that cycled right in him. i think he is around 75-76 in mountains and hills.
His stats are 75/75 already...
When i'm downloading the database he is like 69 in mountains and 70 in hills. |
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| kissaha |
Posted on 26-05-2012 22:13
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Eddie Tha Boss wrote:
kissaha wrote:
Eddie Tha Boss wrote:
I just wanted to mension that Lars Petter Nordhaug is much better, you all saw him in Amstel gold race. He had probably won if it wassent for Damiano Cunego that cycled right in him. i think he is around 75-76 in mountains and hills.
His stats are 75/75 already...
When i'm downloading the database he is like 69 in mountains and 70 in hills.
Not in V2 PB |
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| baggieboys32 |
Posted on 26-05-2012 23:26
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Eddie Tha Boss wrote:
Yeah, i almost forgot. Pozzovivo is better than that. He did it really good in Giro del trentino and Giro d'italia so far. He just go in front and drive them off. He deserves like 79++ in mountains and hills.
Im like the biggest Pozzo fan out there, but you saw how he lagged today, he's devastating on medium climbs, so maybe MO:79-80 STA:72-73
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