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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 09-06-2014 20:00
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Fantastic ride from Talansky today! paced himself well and is looking very good for the Tour! Too bad the young rider rule works that you can't compete if you turn 26 that year. Favors guys born earlier in the year. MO it should just be your age over the 3 weeks. If your B day is in it then last age counts.
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| Ruben18 |
Posted on 09-06-2014 20:09
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Good stage from Reidenbach & Yates too, nice futures  |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 09-06-2014 20:20
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Why you guys keep forgetting..this is DAUPHINE!
Current condition does not meaning a dick ..If we think about tour.
Porte..Nibali..they will fly at tour. Conta wont last 3 weeks and Froome will have easy tour win.
Vino wont write any letter because it is DAUPHINE. Vino himself at Dauphine usually was sweating and was pale. Month later voila..new man.
Nibali will be at tour podium..when he last time missed GT podium?
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 09-06-2014 20:22
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p.s. Taaramäe crashed to Saxo water bottle..LOL
He was holding bar just with one hand..and then suddenly he was flying..and then he also noticed damn Saxo bottle.
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| Rin |
Posted on 09-06-2014 20:53
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Just a question because I have absolutely no idea of cycling  and especially performance enhancing:
Is it usual that cyclists use inhalers during! a stage/race?
I have never seen a cyclist using an inhaler in a stage before.
But I know that many cyclists "have"  asthma.
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 09-06-2014 21:01
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Froome also has violent asthma. Just wait 'till that clears up!
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 09-06-2014 21:21
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ryant wrote:
Strydz wrote:
Jacdk wrote:
Kritzo wrote:
That case was just ridiculous. They gave him a suspension for SIGNS of doping..
That case was a farce.
Not only was it not a performance enhancing drug, it was a weight loss remedy that was in such a small % that they had to specifically look for it. And to top it off riders before and after have been acquitted for the same small %.
There clearly had gone politics in that case and UCI had to suspend him.
The drug does have performance enhancing properties and is also used for masking other doping products so saying it was a farce is ludicrous, yes it was line ball but the right decision was made.
Do you know how much was actually detected? I'm not a scientist but I doubt that amount can actually mask any doping agents what so ever and either give him a performance boost...
Do you know how quickly it vanishes from a human body ?
Do you know how long the effects last ?
Obviously not.
Do plasticizers found in his blood ring a bell ? Those plastic molecules were too big to have entered his body (his blood) through digestion. This draws a pattern, maybe ? |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 09-06-2014 21:39
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ruben wrote:
Les 13,6km à 6,6% du Col du Béal ont été grimpés en 33'14'' par Froome et Contador soit 447 watts et 24,5km/h #TwittCyclos #LesRP #Dauphine
anybody know if this is accurate? 447W is not screwing around anymore. That's raping the 410W treshold 
I read "slightly below 6.00 W/kg" (420 standardized Watts) on Vayer and Portoleau's twitter accounts.
Limits of humanly possible is 410 W average on 20 minutes, 390 on 60 minutes efforts.
Now they don't have 10 days of 5+ h of racing in their legs, but they're still screwing around with the limits.
And those accelerations ? Yuck. It left a bad taste of EPO years in my mouth.
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I don't know much about this stuff, is 6,6 W/kg high for a 13,6km climb at 6,6% avg?
Effort duration is the weighing data to analyze W/kg.
All/most of us can certainly do 6.6 W/kg, it's just the some would maintain it for a few seconds, others for a minute or two, maybe more, but even if it's actually 6.00 and by top-performers-among-the-pros standards that's a very impressive figure given it's been maintained 33 minutes or so.
Slope has basically no influence on power output.
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 09-06-2014 21:39
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Guido Mukk wrote:
. Conta wont last 3 weeks and Froome will have easy tour win.
Seriously you watch cycling or something else. Contador will not last 3 weeks?
I think it has been proven even in last year's tour that Froome does not perform At same level for 3 weeks and Contador is multi GT winner. |
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 09-06-2014 21:39
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Guido Mukk wrote:
. Conta wont last 3 weeks and Froome will have easy tour win.
Seriously you watch cycling or something else. Contador will not last 3 weeks?
I think it has been proven even in last year's tour that Froome does not perform At same level for 3 weeks and Contador is multi GT winner. |
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| ryant |
Posted on 09-06-2014 21:48
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Aquarius wrote:
ryant wrote:
Strydz wrote:
Jacdk wrote:
Kritzo wrote:
That case was just ridiculous. They gave him a suspension for SIGNS of doping..
That case was a farce.
Not only was it not a performance enhancing drug, it was a weight loss remedy that was in such a small % that they had to specifically look for it. And to top it off riders before and after have been acquitted for the same small %.
There clearly had gone politics in that case and UCI had to suspend him.
The drug does have performance enhancing properties and is also used for masking other doping products so saying it was a farce is ludicrous, yes it was line ball but the right decision was made.
Do you know how much was actually detected? I'm not a scientist but I doubt that amount can actually mask any doping agents what so ever and either give him a performance boost...
Do you know how quickly it vanishes from a human body ?
Do you know how long the effects last ?
Obviously not.
Do plasticizers found in his blood ring a bell ? Those plastic molecules were too big to have entered his body (his blood) through digestion. This draws a pattern, maybe ?
I know that Clenbuterol is not naturally occurring in the body but that amount could hardly be concrete evidence of doping, merely anecdotal to what they banned him for. Its not like they caught him doing a blood transfusion or testing positive for EPO, if that argument is good enough for Froome, then its good enough for me with Contador... :/
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| TankNL |
Posted on 09-06-2014 21:51
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Aquarius wrote:
ruben wrote:
Les 13,6km à 6,6% du Col du Béal ont été grimpés en 33'14'' par Froome et Contador soit 447 watts et 24,5km/h #TwittCyclos #LesRP #Dauphine
anybody know if this is accurate? 447W is not screwing around anymore. That's raping the 410W treshold
I read "slightly below 6.00 W/kg" (420 standardized Watts) on Vayer and Portoleau's twitter accounts.
Limits of humanly possible is 410 W average on 20 minutes, 390 on 60 minutes efforts.
Now they don't have 10 days of 5+ h of racing in their legs, but they're still screwing around with the limits.
And those accelerations ? Yuck. It left a bad taste of EPO years in my mouth.
MartijnVDD wrote:
I don't know much about this stuff, is 6,6 W/kg high for a 13,6km climb at 6,6% avg?
Effort duration is the weighing data to analyze W/kg.
All/most of us can certainly do 6.6 W/kg, it's just the some would maintain it for a few seconds, others for a minute or two, maybe more, but even if it's actually 6.00 and by top-performers-among-the-pros standards that's a very impressive figure given it's been maintained 33 minutes or so.
Slope has basically no influence on power output.
I won't allow myself to look at it that way. I think it has become more flat, less attractive if you will. You don't see attack after attack from the big favorites. If I look at Froome, I see a trained robot, who knows exactly who many watts he can push for x number of minutes. He is just constantly looking at his SRM device. And yes that is right their at the edge of what a human body can produce.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 09-06-2014 22:05
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Ok, let me tell you a story, since you don't seem to understand how it works.
Clenbuterol is a product used to lose weight and gain muscle during the off season. It vanishes quickly (a few days), so it makes to make "cures" of it during training camps in Mediterranean islands that are complicated to reach for UCI controllers.
January is also one of the time of the year when riders extract their blood to use it later in the season (it's especially useful for GC riders to "refill" along the way).
Since transfusions can be detected, threshold for detections have been lowered, so they can't do 500 or 600 ml two times during the Tour de France. They rather do 100 or 150 every day or every other day. It helps maintaining constant blood data, so nothing shows on the bio passport (except that values should drop, not remain constant).
What happens when you take blood in January, before clenbuterol has gone, and re-inject it in July ? Well, a very small amount comes back, without any recent clenbuterol use. And plasticizers (minuscule parts of the blood bag) go through the same hole and make their way to the blood.
Clenbuterol starts vanishing again (in 3 or 4 days with a full dose it's gone, so imagine the dose is only 1 % of that right after the injection).
Oh, and how does it vanish ? You might know the game half life. The name comes from nuclear chemistry, with the radioactivity of an element decreasing by 50 % after a given period of time. It's the same for a drug/medicine. After x days or hours : 50 % gone. After as many days : 50 % of the previous amount gone (thus 25 % left), etc. Depending on how accurate a test is, the detection window can be very short, or longer.
Comes a control. And the lab has a new very reduced threshold for detection. You know the rest of the story. Contador and his staff can't believe their eyes. Yet he got caught.
The amount he got caught with does by no way mean it was the total amount he ever used. Otherwise he'd still test positive for the very same amount today. And he does not... |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 09-06-2014 22:08
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TankNL wrote:
I won't allow myself to look at it that way. I think it has become more flat, less attractive if you will. You don't see attack after attack from the big favorites. If I look at Froome, I see a trained robot, who knows exactly who many watts he can push for x number of minutes. He is just constantly looking at his SRM device. And yes that is right their at the edge of what a human body can produce.
Tank
That was true with Wiggins, it's less case with Froome.
From your comment I understand you've not watched today's stage ? Froome did many big accelerations, then they almost stopped to look at each other, and accelerated again. Not a steady pace at all. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 09-06-2014 22:22
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Nin1388 wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
. Conta wont last 3 weeks and Froome will have easy tour win.
Seriously you watch cycling or something else. Contador will not last 3 weeks?
I think it has been proven even in last year's tour that Froome does not perform At same level for 3 weeks and Contador is multi GT winner.
Seriously man..my point is. If Conta is that strong at Dauphine..we wont last tour with full speed.
Even un human Froome (last year Dauphine winner) had a problems at tour last week.
Even mr. X Lance..when he won Dauphine 2003. That year he was never closer and nervous to be beaten from Ullrich.
p.s. Conta having super year already..multi GT domination was already few years ago. |
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 09-06-2014 22:23
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Aquarius wrote:
A story
Thanks for that, it was an interesting read. 
So basically you are saying the reason Contador was caught was because of a cock-up on his/the team's part in that he forgot/didn't realise that the clenbuterol was present when he extracted his blood in January? Meaning, ultimately, that the only way dopers can be caught under current measures is if they make a mistake somewhere along the line?
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 09-06-2014 22:30
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Stromeon wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
A story
Thanks for that, it was an interesting read.
So basically you are saying the reason Contador was caught was because of a cock-up on his/the team's part in that he forgot/didn't realise that the clenbuterol was present when he extracted his blood in January? Meaning, ultimately, that the only way dopers can be caught under current measures is if they make a mistake somewhere along the line?
That last line also was the exact same conclusion I got when i read that, which btw was a great read. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 09-06-2014 22:36
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thanks Aquarius |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 09-06-2014 22:36
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Stromeon wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
A story
Thanks for that, it was an interesting read.
So basically you are saying the reason Contador was caught was because of a cock-up on his/the team's part in that he forgot/didn't realise that the clenbuterol was present when he extracted his blood in January? Meaning, ultimately, that the only way dopers can be caught under current measures is if they make a mistake somewhere along the line?
It's precisely that.
I was quite stunned when I read a statement, last Summer, by a former AFLD director, or Châtenay-Malabry director (I believe it was Pierre Bordy but I'm not sure), who claimed that if any team would hire him, he could grant them 0 positive at all, thanks to his knowledge of chemicals kinetics (how quickly products disappear). With that knowledge, and knowing they can't be controlled between 11 pm and 7 am, he would be able to dope riders to the eye balls and they'd never be caught. |
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 10-06-2014 05:50
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Seriously, thanks Aquarius. Finally something interesting in otherwise hateful Dauphiné thread. |
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