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The Hilly Classics 2015 - Liège - Bastogne - Liège
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| gargatouf |
Posted on 22-04-2015 16:56
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Guido Mukk wrote:
where I can find Muur climbing times..
I expected that todays was not that slow
2m 54secs for Valverde according to @ammattipyoraily on Twitter. At work at the moment, so can't show the tweet on the forum. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 22-04-2015 16:58
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gargatouf wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
where I can find Muur climbing times..
I expected that todays was not that slow
2m 54secs for Valverde according to @ammattipyoraily on Twitter. At work at the moment, so can't show the tweet on the forum.
record is 2.44 Gilbert
after that Rebelin 2.45..2.46
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 22-04-2015 16:59
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ggDonovan wrote:
Atlantius wrote:
Bikex wrote:
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Seeing that cheating F****r in first place has really spoilt my day 
Interesting to see how you are so certain about Valverde cheating but always supporting Team Sky.
Without defending Team Sky Valverde is worse in my book as well though.
Having been busted for doping and never acknowledged that he has done anything wrong he's one of the most obvious dopers in the entire peloton for me. Why would he stop if he thinks he did nothing wrong?
On favour of Valverde he's never been tested positive and has won the same before and after the ban.
Against him, something had happened if you've been "friends" with the three Spanish gangsters (Belda, Fuentes and Sainz) (we'll he had no relation with Sainz but with the other two yes)
Starting out as leader on a team with organized doping and having your blood stored with a docter performing blood doping is good enough for me. Postitive test or not - that is mere technicalities in his case. Hell there's more proof against Valverde than Armstrong before he admitted...
The fact that he is on the same level or perhaps even stronger now as when he was proven to be doping to me rather indicates that he still does so. A drop in performance compared to when he was doping would in my opinion make him much more credible
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 22-04-2015 17:16
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Shit, shit race.
Great stuff by Alaphilippe, the high point of today for sure. |
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| ggDonovan |
Posted on 22-04-2015 17:19
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Atlantius wrote:
ggDonovan wrote:
Atlantius wrote:
Bikex wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
Seeing that cheating F****r in first place has really spoilt my day
Interesting to see how you are so certain about Valverde cheating but always supporting Team Sky.
Without defending Team Sky Valverde is worse in my book as well though.
Having been busted for doping and never acknowledged that he has done anything wrong he's one of the most obvious dopers in the entire peloton for me. Why would he stop if he thinks he did nothing wrong?
On favour of Valverde he's never been tested positive and has won the same before and after the ban.
Against him, something had happened if you've been "friends" with the three Spanish gangsters (Belda, Fuentes and Sainz) (we'll he had no relation with Sainz but with the other two yes)
Starting out as leader on a team with organized doping and having your blood stored with a docter performing blood doping is good enough for me. Postitive test or not - that is mere technicalities in his case. Hell there's more proof against Valverde than Armstrong before he admitted...
The fact that he is on the same level or perhaps even stronger now as when he was proven to be doping to me rather indicates that he still does so. A drop in performance compared to when he was doping would in my opinion make him much more credible
It's a gray case, you can't be sure of one thing or other. Every one has an opinion that at the end it's a speculation. I'm not able to say he's dirty or clean but or he's the standard-bearer of the next gen dopping substances or it's really difficult to on continuous dope treatment in current cycling.
The main problem of his case was that the Spanish authorities did one of the worst and most embarrassing investigation and trial ever in sport history. It didn't condemn the guilty and didn't absolve the innocents. Everybody in that case is now in the limbo of morality.
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 22-04-2015 17:30
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Well that discussion could go on forever. Largely as you say due to the embarrasing 'investigation'. However for me having your blood in the fridge of a doping doctor eliminates all grey areas. There is no other explanation to that than blood doping. Then all the rest around him doesn't help his case but ultimately it comes down to the blood in the cooler making it a clear-cut case. Just sad that so few clear-cut cases were pulled out of the investigation - cyclists as well as other athletes...
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 22-04-2015 17:33
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I'm not going to accuse him of using now, but I want to put my hand in the fire that he used forbiden stuff in the past.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| tastasol |
Posted on 22-04-2015 17:48
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Guido Mukk wrote:
gargatouf wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
where I can find Muur climbing times..
I expected that todays was not that slow
2m 54secs for Valverde according to @ammattipyoraily on Twitter. At work at the moment, so can't show the tweet on the forum.
record is 2.44 Gilbert
after that Rebelin 2.45..2.46
2.54 is faster as it looked
Valverde did 2.41 last year.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 22-04-2015 18:20
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Only read about what Wellens did but I'm glad he took some initiative. He hasn't been shining in AGR and I like him most when he attacks, attacks! Attaboy
Valverde rode it perfect though, third win of Fleche wow. Beast performance up the Muy, right at the front all the way almost.
Edited by Shonak on 22-04-2015 18:22
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Squire |
Posted on 22-04-2015 18:38
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Shonak wrote:
Valverde rode it perfect though, third win of Fleche wow. Beast performance up the Muy, right at the front all the way almost.
Him being at the front and looking good basically scared everyone away from attacking. Perfectly played, but pretty easy when you're obviously the strongest. I hope he shows some real intelligent racing on Sunday. Three FWs are good, but three LBLs are better 
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| canojuancho |
Posted on 22-04-2015 18:54
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Alaphilippe was 2nd today in the Muur of HUY, thats all that i'm going to say about this ugly race. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 22-04-2015 19:28
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With all the crashes it was like watching "wacky races". |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 22-04-2015 19:50
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Atlantius wrote:
Well that discussion could go on forever. Largely as you say due to the embarrasing 'investigation'. However for me having your blood in the fridge of a doping doctor eliminates all grey areas. There is no other explanation to that than blood doping. Then all the rest around him doesn't help his case but ultimately it comes down to the blood in the cooler making it a clear-cut case. Just sad that so few clear-cut cases were pulled out of the investigation - cyclists as well as other athletes...
THIS!
Anyone who actually thinks Valverde was treated harshly or was/is clean baffles me.
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| jsh312mufc |
Posted on 22-04-2015 19:50
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ggDonovan wrote:
Atlantius wrote:
ggDonovan wrote:
Atlantius wrote:
Bikex wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
Seeing that cheating F****r in first place has really spoilt my day
Interesting to see how you are so certain about Valverde cheating but always supporting Team Sky.
Without defending Team Sky Valverde is worse in my book as well though.
Having been busted for doping and never acknowledged that he has done anything wrong he's one of the most obvious dopers in the entire peloton for me. Why would he stop if he thinks he did nothing wrong?
On favour of Valverde he's never been tested positive and has won the same before and after the ban.
Against him, something had happened if you've been "friends" with the three Spanish gangsters (Belda, Fuentes and Sainz) (we'll he had no relation with Sainz but with the other two yes)
Starting out as leader on a team with organized doping and having your blood stored with a docter performing blood doping is good enough for me. Postitive test or not - that is mere technicalities in his case. Hell there's more proof against Valverde than Armstrong before he admitted...
The fact that he is on the same level or perhaps even stronger now as when he was proven to be doping to me rather indicates that he still does so. A drop in performance compared to when he was doping would in my opinion make him much more credible
It's a gray case, you can't be sure of one thing or other. Every one has an opinion that at the end it's a speculation. I'm not able to say he's dirty or clean but or he's the standard-bearer of the next gen dopping substances or it's really difficult to on continuous dope treatment in current cycling.
The main problem of his case was that the Spanish authorities did one of the worst and most embarrassing investigation and trial ever in sport history. It didn't condemn the guilty and didn't absolve the innocents. Everybody in that case is now in the limbo of morality.
Er I'm pretty sure there's no doubt that Valverde was doped in 2010 (and most likely way before that) |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 22-04-2015 19:58
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FFS. Honestly I'm done with this crap. I assume this is bad for LBL as well. I don't even know why I like him when he can't finish a goddamn race.
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy |
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 22-04-2015 20:04
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If you dont like the race, dont watch it. Nobody forces you to watch it. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 22-04-2015 20:08
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
If you dont like the race, dont watch it. Nobody forces you to watch it.
Never said I didn't like the race???
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 22-04-2015 20:40
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
If you dont like the race, dont watch it. Nobody forces you to watch it.
He's talking about Martin falling off as usual, but he had plenty of company today, never seen so many crashes. |
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 22-04-2015 22:33
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
If you dont like the race, dont watch it. Nobody forces you to watch it.
Never said I didn't like the race???
It wasn't aimed solely at you, to all those who are moaning above. Ardennes classics will rarely be thrilling races. You just gotta accept it. |
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 22-04-2015 22:58
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This is my last post from me on the hate for Valverde
These were on Wikipedia :
2009 - On 11 February, the Italian National Olympic Committee matched DNA samples taken from Alejandro Valverde during a rest day in Italy of the 2008 Tour de France to blood seized in the Operación Puerto investigation.[369] At a February 2009 appearance in front of the Olympic Committee, Valverde maintained his innocence and questioned the Italians' jurisdiction over this case. In May 2009, the Italian Olympic Committee suspended him from competition in Italy for 2 years, effectively barring him from the 2009 Tour de France, which detoured briefly onto Italian soil
On 16 March 2010, Alejandro Valverde's appeal against his ban from riding in Italy was rejected by the Court of Arbitration for Sport. It was confirmed that he could not ride on Italian soil again until 10 March 2011. A UCI press statement, issued after this hearing, stated that "the UCI expresses its determination to take the necessary measures to secure a suspension that is applicable internationally."[390] The UCI President Pat McQuaid stated later that it will seek to extend Valverde's ban worldwide.[391]2010 - On 27 March, McQuaid said that the UCI will wait to impose a worldwide ban on Valverde until CAS rules on an appeal by the UCI, protesting the fact that the Spanish cycling federation (RFEC) did not open disciplinary proceedings against Valverde. The CAS ruled on 31 May that the suspension could be enforced, and the UCI applied a retroactive two-year suspension on Valverde from 1 January 2010. In additionto this, all of his results from 2010 were nullified
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