Bikex wrote:
1. Sorry about trying to lynch you earlier, but to me you didn't give a good figure especially in the last few days.
No problem, that's the game.
2. Good job saving ryant, but tbh that was an easy save.
It was, I'm not taking credit or anything.
3. Overall, despite 2 saves, I think there was more possible. Why didn't you save hillis? To me that kill was clear as day going to be hillis.
I'm not sure heaps more were possible, here's a list of my heals each night:
N1: Myself (because statistically it was best) (Sammyt died)
N2: Forgot (Croatia died)
N3: Ian Butler (Save)
N4: Ian Butler (Waghlon died)
N5: Ian Butler (Jesadog died)
N6: Ryant (Hillis died)
N7: Ryant (Marcovdw died)
N8: Ryant (Save)
If I got something wrong it's because I'm trying to piece it together from a bunch of exchanges with Jandal.
Anyway, perhaps I could've saved hillis, but the mafia had two nights after we trusted him to kill him, it's not like they got him right of the bat, it's hard to judge when players will be killed and if I was mafia, I would've killed ryant that night, hence my decision to protect him, the more likely possible save was Croatia I considered being on him but was away or something and missed out.
4. You shouldn't have claimed to be the doctor just yet. I disagree that the timing doesn't benefit the mafia. Imo you should have waited how the day played out before deciding. Only if you were on the verge of being lynched you maybe could have said to be the doctor. I admit I probably would have tried, so you have saved me from some more embarassement, but I think it would have been better if Aquarius wouldn't have known who the doctor was going into the last night. I doubt he would've necessarily tried to kill you in that case.
Well, the Godfather knows the doctor is alive, so if we mislynch today, going into tonight there will be three players, myself, ryant and the GF, so he'll be attacking one of us, but also be trying to second guess the doctor because he knows they're alive, because he knows they're alive. It doesn't matter if I die or ryant dies, because we lose the game either way, so it's better for me to claim, make it so I'm not a distraction in addition to the two candidates to be the godfather, because it doesn't help him tonight to know who I am.
Ah, fuck it I'm gonna lynch Bikex, he didn't come across as genuine in his reent post, it came across like a Godfather who knew the game was up for me. Aquarius came across as more helpful with his scenario post which swung it for me. :/
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It’s frustrating you are willing to lynch me before hearing me out and by that unnecessarily risk loosing the game for us.
It was obvious you were the next target by the godfather, trek also noticed that. Really a poor reason to decide to lynch because of that. Especially as this could be the deciding lynch vote.
If you want I can also put up a pseudo helpful post like Aquarius did with some numbers(that were wrong btw).
Okay time for me to defend myself. This is especially directed at ryant to consider.
If my last post was the one for you to make you tend towards lynching me, then you should think a little bit more about it. I was always writing what I thought and in my oppinion it was obvious that you would be the target last night. If you haven't figured out why, here is the reason: You were the only one who in everyone's oppinion was clearly pro-town. The godfather wouldn't want to risk, going into the last three with a almost 100% townie still alive. And thinking about it, do you really think the godfather would write in a post that he knew who the kill target would be? I was being honest and wrote what I thought, if I was the godfather (= not being honest), I'm quite sure I would not have put this thought in my post, for the reason of being scared that some could interpret it the way you did.
I have the luxury to be the only townie to (almost) 100% know who the godfather is, so I hope I can bring you closer to what has happened this game. Unlike when targeting bbl and trekbmc I now don't have to follow unsure indications, I know that what I write is really leading to the right godfather: Aquarius.
I'll start with explaining my behaviour throughout the game and why this is the behaviour of a townie. I'll draw some comparisons with Aquarius' behavior and in the end will focus a little bit more on him. I believe there is enough to show you that he must be the godfather and not me!
I have completely missed the first few days and also in the later game some more days almost completely and a few nights. I know this is a very weak argument, but I include it for the sake of my case. Like knockout said, it would have been possible to send who to kill outside of the night, but I'm very certain that I still would have missed at least one kill throughout the game. For example I haven't logged in for almost two straight days during this week and I know I can't prove it but I couldn't plan with that to happen, as some stuff I had to do only came up shortly before.
But enough of that, now onto stuff that is there for you to look at: my posts in this game thread. In total there is 18, some more useful, some pretty terrible. Unlike Aquarius (2) I have not voted on a single confirmed mafia member to be lynched.
In my first post after the game has already started for a few days, I made clear that imo Ian and hillis were confirmed townies, I even extended the theory of trekbmc that you (ryant) appearantly liked so much about why hillis is a townie. For the first time I was already there putting Aquarius on a suspicious list, also including trek, due to a for the town harmful recommendation he made regarding Ian's investigations. I then agreed with TMM to start lynching trekbmc, but not for wrong logic, but for my own reasons I stated there. Trekbmc reacted with a post, that lead me to believe he is a townie and for a large part of the game I was thinking of him as one of the most certain townies afterwards. I still didn't remove my lynch vote as I was thinking of TMM as a more confirmed townie and I was proven right. In the same post I was saying that Aquarius was my biggest suspect and on the next day I followed that hunch and started the day's lynching with a lynch vote on him.
Unfortunately the town was not willing to follow me there and was in parts turning against me (bbl + hillis). I changed my vote to lynch nobody to prevent being a victim of the lynch mob myself. Aquarius later put up a post that was quite convincing and lead me to look at others first but not completely removing him from my suspicion list. However I think Aquarius reacted in a way for the town unfortunate way and stayed under the radar from then on and made no such mistakes anymore like what he was called out by me for.
The night after Ian Butler couldn't investigate due to a sickness, I asked for him to be allowed an investigation during the day. Something I probably wouldn't have done when being the godfather. That's a cheap argument, but I think it can be included.
Ian died, and I found the way it happened already quite strange: I thought it to be quite likely that one of the ones voting to lynch raziz were the last remaining mafia guy, that's why I asked you (ryant) why you switched focus on him after in the post before you asked for others (including me) to be investigated. Your answer made sense and I already before this occasion was quite sure you were a townie, as your reaction when we tried to lynch trekbmc was too aggressive.
I then successfully started the lynch voting on bbl. Unluckily my gut was wrong and I mainly killed a townie.
Marcovdw and Selwink were for most the next to be lynched. In both cases I stated they were innocent and in the end was proven right.
My conclusion was wrong and unluckily I targeted trekbmc. That started after he didn't vote to lynch on the day bbl died. He was not a clear suspect at that point but only after he made some weak responses to the questions I asked. It seemed like he was trying to dodge them. Also he kept mentioning how well he executed a townie in TMM in the beginning of the game and critisizing me for standing up for him. That was very weird imo, as an alive townie is always better than a dead one. TMM wasn't going to get any weapons after the unlucky incident last game.
That's enough about my thoughts during the game. As you see I was getting into conflicts with my lynch votes, fought against innocents to be lynched and tried to be investigative with my questions (although failed mostly ).
That might not clear me in your oppinion so lets take a look at Aquarius:
At first let me debunk the biggest argument speaking for him: He voted against both confirmed mafia members to be lynched!
I can't say anything like that about me, but in my oppinion this shouldn't really count in his favour, as both times the votes came at times in which it was almost impossible his mafia buddies would survive and strategically the only right thing:
1. weirdskyfan: When Ian posted his investigation results it was clear weirdskyfan would be the next to be lynched or (very unlikely) at least the next one after that.
2. raziz: raziz was already for some time for many someone to look out for and when ryant made his case and trekbmc (another mostly trusted townie) agreed on that, it was not likely the town would decide on someone else. By voting on raziz early Aquarius made clear to be someone trustworthy for most. Only few minutes after Aquarius' not very detailed post, raziz blew up himself and our detective. In my oppinion that was a little bit too early to be not suspicious regarding the ones who voted for him before. Raziz should first have tried to defend himself.
To give a small overview here is Aquarius' lynching pattern:
Day
vote
#
lynched
2
-
-
-
3
weirdskyfan
1
wsf
4
-
-
TMM
5
nobody
1
nobody
6 1
raziz
3
raziz
6 2
Selwink
2
bbl
7
nobody
1
nobody
8
Selwink
2
Selwink
Quite often he was one of the first to vote, which to be fair is something positive. The town needs people showing the direction. Except Aquarius wasn't doing that. He was very good detecting what the general oppinion of the town was and using that. He almost exclusively voted for the one being lynched later. And mostly his votes happened after the matter was already discussed and it was foresseable who would likely be lynched. In 2 occasions he was not with the majority with his vote: day 4 and day 6. Although not having voted in day 4 he said he would vote for TMM and in day 6 he voted for someone who was already suspected by many others and also had lynch votes before. You see Aquarius was swimming in the swarm basically all game long, he didn't get into any major conflicts and always did what the majority of the town did.
Now ryant, consider you are part of the mafia would you rather try to fit in with the town, by doing what the majority wants or would you throw around with accusations, get into conflicts, ask questions and stick out compared to the rest like I did. I guess you'd choose the first option and so did Aquarius.
The game is in your hand now, as in the case of a tie it will still be me who is lynched. Change your vote to not let the mafia win, I hope this post could clear your mind, if you have any questions let me know.
Finally my obligatory: Lynch Aquarius
@trekbmc: thanks for the answer, quite egoistic your first save.
Your saves all makes sense for me, although like I said, I was quite sure hillis would be killed, but ryant was obviously a very possible target in that time already as well. Unfortunately if we'd have known the doctor is still alive or you made that save at that point we would have one certain lynch vote more and you could have definitely killed me and Aquarius just to be sure. Now you have to decide and please don't be wrong!
Also you are right about revealing, I was a little confused there, thanks for explaining.
Man, this post got way to long again. but I hope it will at least help to bring the town on the right path again.
Alright, you know what, I believe you, I'm not sure your post convinced me, but looking at last game the arguments with Croatia are kinda reminiscent of your posts here and well, I just don't feel like you're mafia, maybe I'm entirely wrong - as I said before, I don't think it's either of you, but, forced to choose, I'm going to go with my (often wrong) gut.
Lynch Aquarius, I'm so sorry if it's wrong guys.
In the spoiler a couple things I felt like replying too, but this late, I doubt their relevance
Spoiler
quite egoistic your first save.
I decided that statistically I had the highest chance of being attacked (because I knew I wasn't mafia while everybody else could be) and also that doctor was a role to protect, so yes, it was egotistic.
Your saves all makes sense for me, although like I said, I was quite sure hillis would be killed, but ryant was obviously a very possible target in that time already as well. Unfortunately if we'd have known the doctor is still alive or you made that save at that point we would have one certain lynch vote more and you could have definitely killed me and Aquarius just to be sure. Now you have to decide and please don't be wrong!
This is true, but it's hard to call as doctor, you get all paranoid that you're going to die and then all paranoid that the person you're saving is gonna die and then you panick (I'm not a very good doctor )
Also he kept mentioning how well he executed a townie in TMM in the beginning of the game and critisizing me for standing up for him. That was very weird imo, as an alive townie is always better than a dead one.
Maybe I took my personal view a bit for granted here, but I bet TMM is facepalming at you guys right now going, "No get Trek, he's the mafia here!" Honestly I feel like he's trolling and bringing random chaos and I figured, there's a good chance he's a townie, but we can defniitely do without that.
And as I finish this post I get all paranoid again and think that it's bikex again, but yeah... I'm not sure, so I'll keep my vote.
Night 9:
Both Bikex and Aquarius made their pleas and lynched the other. ryant voted Bikex, trek plumped for Aquarius. However the longest standing last vote rule swings the vote in "favour" of Bikex. As you can see from the fact I didn't just end the game, he was pro-town.
20 hours, or whenever doc and godfather tell me what you want.
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant." [ICL] Santos-Euskadi | [PT] Xero Racing
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant." [ICL] Santos-Euskadi | [PT] Xero Racing
That was such a hard decision, so much paranoia that I was going to be the one attacked.
Well, we got lucky but well played Aquarius, took some great acting to get that far with some not very active teammates, I certainly didn't think you were the godfather until the final 4 and even then I was doubtful and if I wasn't the doctor and we went to the final 3 with ryant dead, you probably would've won.
Good pick as well Bikex, we picked the wrong time to follow you.
Aquarius97 wrote:
I don't understand why you believe i'm the godfather... afaik, ryant could have attacked himself...
I agree, last night he could've attacked you, but he wanted to win in style by attacking himself twice in a row and letting me lynch you, it all makes sense!
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Terrible decision...
