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Sky Doping/Hate Thread
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 22-07-2013 20:21
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issoisso wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
So now attacking on mountains is also for retards? I'm sure the future of cycling would be golden in the hands of people believing that 
Brailsford 2012 was trying to convince everyone that no attacks was proof that cycling was clean.
Well, if the Sky train is clean it almost kind of does to a certain extent. There is kind of a logic.
Boring as it is, the Sky pace train is the most efficient way of riding. Now obviously, riders are of massively various abiities which means its not impossible to win by attacking.
However if you took two teams of equal ability/form etc, one running a train for the whole tour and one attacking all the time, the train will always win.
So, I think his argument was that Sky was clean, and the team was by far the strongest. Therefore, for someone else to win they would have had to have doped. They didn't and so therefore the Peleton is clean! Yay, Sir Brailsford has single handed defeated the scourge of doping with his mighty light blue chainsaw!
((Ok, that was a pretty hard one to play devils on)) |
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| Le Kaydale |
Posted on 22-07-2013 22:27
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I think Chris Froome is doped. But, on a wider sense, I still don't really understand why people look at u23 results as a big indicator of cleanliness.
I mean, its not like doping doesn't exist down there, right? To me, someone crushing the u23 competition is more suspicious than a guy who takes several years, even if it's not a wholly steady progression, to mould into a world beater.
I get the impression that, unlike most of the other top GC guys right now, Froome didn't dope at all in the earlier part of his career. I'm not convinced that it makes him ethically "better" in some way, but it's just an observation. |
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| Bikex |
Posted on 23-07-2013 02:28
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Le Kaydale wrote:
I think Chris Froome is doped. But, on a wider sense, I still don't really understand why people look at u23 results as a big indicator of cleanliness.
I mean, its not like doping doesn't exist down there, right? To me, someone crushing the u23 competition is more suspicious than a guy who takes several years, even if it's not a wholly steady progression, to mould into a world beater.
I get the impression that, unlike most of the other top GC guys right now, Froome didn't dope at all in the earlier part of his career. I'm not convinced that it makes him ethically "better" in some way, but it's just an observation.
Nobody said it is an indicator of cleanliness, becoming suddenly mutant on the other hand is an indicator of doping.
Froome not only has a not wholly steady progression, he has no steady progression at all. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 23-07-2013 03:09
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Fun fact. In the PCM 2011 expansion pack, released just before Froome finished 2nd in the Vuelta, only behind Juanjo Cobo, his mountain stat was 71.
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 23-07-2013 03:28
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Wiggins with 56 MO in PCM08 was even better 
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| samdiatmh |
Posted on 23-07-2013 04:46
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Fun fact. In the PCM 2011 expansion pack, released just before Froome finished 2nd in the Vuelta, only behind Juanjo Cobo, his mountain stat was 71.
and what did it change to in the post-Vuelta DB? |
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| Cossack |
Posted on 23-07-2013 07:10
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samdiatmh wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Fun fact. In the PCM 2011 expansion pack, released just before Froome finished 2nd in the Vuelta, only behind Juanjo Cobo, his mountain stat was 71.
and what did it change to in the post-Vuelta DB?
In 2012 DB (for PCM 2011) before TdF he had 77 IIRC.
Edited by Cossack on 23-07-2013 07:11
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 23-07-2013 07:29
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lluuiiggii wrote:
Wiggins with 56 MO in PCM08 was even better
Indeed, people were laughing at him finishing top 3 on a Giro mountain stage a couple of months before he was 4th (3rd) at the Tour. 
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 23-07-2013 08:41
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
Wiggins with 56 MO in PCM08 was even better
Indeed, people were laughing at him finishing top 3 on a Giro mountain stage a couple of months before he was 4th (3rd) at the Tour.
That's great to see much later
Wiggins and Froome came along to sweep Contador, Rodriguez and Valverde off the charts with their climbing  |
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| Andreas93 |
Posted on 23-07-2013 18:23
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Kimmage on Walsh and Froome: https://soundcloud.com/secondcaptains...-july-23rd (From ca 11:00)
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| deek12345 |
Posted on 23-07-2013 18:56
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great interview thx for the link |
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 23-07-2013 19:57
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Thanks for that, it's a good listen. Nice to see someone voicing their concern and actually being sceptical about the whole Sky thing. Especially that bit about how he was refused [by Brailsford, who else?] an interview with Michael Barry in 2010 after he had been implicated by Floyd Landis with absolutely no justification, just after Brailsford had been talking about being completely transparent etc etc. Didn't know that had happened.
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| ruben |
Posted on 23-07-2013 21:16
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Ian Butler wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
Wiggins with 56 MO in PCM08 was even better
Indeed, people were laughing at him finishing top 3 on a Giro mountain stage a couple of months before he was 4th (3rd) at the Tour.
That's great to see much later
Wiggins and Froome came along to sweep Contador, Rodriguez and Valverde off the charts with their climbing
Yeah, I even remember in discussions we said it was a weak vuelta field because froome and wiggins were 2nd and 3rd in 2011
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 23-07-2013 23:32
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To be fair, on the 08 Database Wiggins was still basically a track racer. |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 24-07-2013 01:09
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Thanks for that it was a great interview. Great to see him calling them out for marginal gains etc.
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| XxMillad24Xx |
Posted on 24-07-2013 01:57
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"Cycling is now the the world's cleanest sport." - Chris Froome
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"Cycling is now the the world's cleanest sport." - Chris Froome
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 24-07-2013 02:05
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XxMillad24Xx wrote:
"Cycling is now the the world's cleanest sport." - Chris Froome after being cauhgt
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| XxMillad24Xx |
Posted on 24-07-2013 02:13
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That statement he made might be one of the most ignorant statements I've ever read...blasphemy!
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Edited by XxMillad24Xx on 24-07-2013 02:14
"Cycling is now the the world's cleanest sport." - Chris Froome
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| Bikex |
Posted on 24-07-2013 05:26
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Reading the facebook comments on the TDF site is so funny with all the clueless Froome supporters |
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| XxMillad24Xx |
Posted on 24-07-2013 05:41
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Bikex wrote:
Reading the facebook comments on the TDF site is so funny with all the clueless Froome supporters
Mainly because most of them are below the age of 15, and if you asked, probably have no idea (other than Lance) who was in the doping era. Ask them if they know who Pantani is or Basso, hell even ask if they know Chris Boardman or Brailsford. 
"Cycling is now the the world's cleanest sport." - Chris Froome
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