Nemolito wrote:
An other thing is the testing you ask. Don't get me wrong, I would also like new ideas/other versions to be tested to know more about it. But to really have a good idea we'll need a lot of testing. Who will do this big amount of testing and report on it? Indeed, the reporters again. So that will definitely add to their "burden" as well. Also, I don't think a lot of reporters actually also have pcm 19/20 and/or 21 soon. So that burden will be on very few people then.
I don't think that burden would have to fall exclusively on reporters. We wouldn't need reports in the same way we do for races. Like, for sprints we would need a handful of screenshots from the last few kilometers at most. For other types of stages, even a few sentences of retelling may be enough. Or once certain patterns emerge, simply results in bulk to look at the distribution of rider results in a large sample size, so that we don't have to rely on anecdotal evidence for anything.
I think we could crowdsource a ton of testing, but like SotD said, we just have to start with that sooner rather than later if moving to another game is an actual possibility. Ulrich has already compiled a MG cdb that works for PCM20, iirc. But I guess we'd need a "go" from the Admins and then some sort of organisation, ideally in its own thread I think.
Nemolito wrote:
That is the thing, I came here because there actually is so much evidence, just scroll through the results and look at the reports and you'll find tons of it. It's not that I'm just "feeling" like sth is wrong with the yellow jersey, but I'm also not going to spend time to make a spreadsheet or whatever to make sure it becomes even more clear - because it is. Like I said, anyone can check the reports
In terms of coming better across to me the one adding a point is responsible for presenting the evidence to be honest. I did exactly what you asked, and came to the opposite conclusion. Like said, I only went through the PT, and there it doesn't seem like your suggestion is reasoned, so when I ask for some sort of evidence it would be much easier to "buy me over" if you wrote:
Take a look at race A, stage B, C and D. The same applies in Race Z, stage X and Y.
Otherwise it becomes every man for himself to justify their oppinion, and that isn't really helpful. As stated before I have seen no evidence of that represenation at PT level. In fact I can only conclude the opposite based on hardcore results, and reading through the final 5km.
I would love to see what happens at PCT or CT level, but must admit I don't really feel like tapping through various results in races I have slim to no knowledge about. In order to create a proper conclusion we need a full representation, and not just when it is going bad or good. If it occurs on 10-15 % of the time then it would be overkill to do anything (IMO), while if it happens 75% of the time we have to look into a feasible solution - if such a thing exist.
Nemolito wrote:
Also, I know in general sprinting AI sucks on this version, as I have already said multiple times. I am also not saying it is the only "problem" MG has to deal with. I am also not saying moving to another game is the (only) right option to solve this and/or other problems. I have only said that, if we decide to stick with pcm18, I had some possible solutions to the yellow jersey problem in flat stage races. I know this doesn't solve other problems such as trains being terrible, the DB being a bit too top-sprinter heavy, or any other problem, but it could be a solution to the yellow jersey problem, which is a very real and actual problem with pcm18 as well.
If the "yellow jersey curse" is actually a thing, and not "just" another burden of crappy sprints AI. Looking for the leader is often also something we tend to do more so, than the other riders. If a yellow jersey rider sprints from too far back, I don't see that as a worse thing than the 3 star favorite sprinting too early tbh. And before I can concluce that it actually have anything to do with leading the race I feel like it's really difficult for me to start negating on a possible solution.
Nemolito wrote:
I'm glad you're thinking about the reporters and the burden new changes would mean for them. I am obviously also thinking from that perspective, and I can tell you implementing the first solution I proposed (race the five stages apart and give the same bonus seconds in an excel file) seems very feasible to me and doesn't add that much burden to just creating the report(s) itself, that take so much more time. Honestly, that would be like one minute of excel work as soon as we have the right excel code(s), which I'm sure multiple people on here are able to give.
That's good to know - and if it really is a problem, and can be fixed by such extra workload I would think it's a great thing to implement. I can just see some added workload, not only in the spreadsheet, but also in the splitting up races, creating startlists for 5 races rather than 1 etc., so I can't believe it is something that can be done in a minute or so. But still, if it can be done in a decent timecost, then it's obviously a thumbs up.
Nemolito wrote:
An other thing is the testing you ask. Don't get me wrong, I would also like new ideas/other versions to be tested to know more about it. But to really have a good idea we'll need a lot of testing. Who will do this big amount of testing and report on it? Indeed, the reporters again. So that will definitely add to their "burden" as well. Also, I don't think a lot of reporters actually also have pcm 19/20 and/or 21 soon. So that burden will be on very few people then. Also, I've checked last year's discussion thread. Some guys did a lot of testing, with some very well explained results and thoughts. Things changed after that, but many problems stayed and even new ones came up such as the random gap after the first ten riders/sprinters forming and sometimes even causing time gaps.
True, but that is part of the game. Sometimes we move from one game to another, and before doing so we need testing and representation of facts. I fully aknowledge the fact that this takes time - but I don't need a lot of text to the results, rather a resultlist and some observations. Possibly a videotest or two where everyone can see what could be a new issue. Also this burden can be spread across the entire season (or 2/3 seasons). What seems to happen though is A) A lot of talk and B) Very late, and very little test and C) Implementation through some "last minute" voting.
Nemolito wrote:
I am not saying one of my solutions for the yellow jersey problem would mean sprinting will be just perfect. There will still be broken trains and top sprinters will probably not start performing like a half-god. But, a small change (like the first solution I proposed) could make sure that you know your rider won't just lose his lead in the GC because he is leading the GC, which is already a great thing imo.
I know, and I'm not implying that in order to defeat one problem, you have to defeat the remaining too. I would just like to have the necessary information on the problem (I have never heard of it before, and we are almost 2 seasons in) before talking solutions.
Ras Tailtean (C2):
Kip wins first stage, Cissé second. Kip then 18th in stage 2 after not caring, stage win goes to Andersen. In stage 3 Kragh Andersen, despite being the top favourite, simply doesn't care for the sprint. Same counts for nr2 and nr2 green jersey Kip
Tour of Eritrea (C2HC):
Coutinho wins stage 1. In stage 2 he doesn't care, but starts sprinting when it is way too late and leads the peloton behind the sprinting group, even losing a minute over 15 sprinters that got away.
Post Danmark Rundt (C2HC):
Mezgec wins stage 1, doesn't care in stage 2, finishing 19th.
Amissa Bongo (C2):
Te Brake wins stage 1, doesn't care in stage 2, finishing 11th. Reinhardt wins stage 2 and takes over GC, only to finish sixteenth in the next stage after, guess what, he didn't care about sprinting. Lobato del Valle wins the stage and takes over GC. In stage 4, he wasn't seen anywhere until the end, coming back from far away to remain in the lead with an 8th place. In the last stage, Lobato del Valle was nowhere to be seen in the whole sprint until the final shot, where he managed to be sixth after sprinting from very far away, wasn't enough to win the GC. Managers were actually happy to not be leading the GC before the final stage.
Literally any sprinting race/race with two stages being flat in C2 and C2HC this season, except for Tachira, where there were like 4 78 sprinters and the rest lower than 71.
Tour of Qatar (PT) last year:
Howard won stage 2 and took yellow after stage 1 was won by the breakaway without time difference to the pack. Howard gets destroyed in stage 3 after not caring, and when he finally starts caring it is too late and finishes 12th after a sprint from very far. Swift wins the stage and takes the GC. In the next stage, Swift is very far behind, but does manage a decent comeback to finish 10th and remain the GC lead. Swift does decent in the last (sprinter) stage then, not by position (10th) but by actually sprinting and even leading the peloton for a while.
I've seen many instances as well in the HC/C1 as well this season. Not going to search them all like I just did for C2/C2HC, but just two of the ones I reported on (mind you, I've reported on more such yellow jersey curse-stages, and seen a lot more):
Tour of Uppsala (C1):
Kemboi strong to win the prologue, but with his yellow jersey doesn't care to sprint in stage 2, finishes eleventh, also kind of leading the peloton behind the sprinter group.
Tour of Cyprus (HC):
Swift wins stage one and takes the GC. He's chilling in the middle of the pack with 4k to go and starts sprinting very late to finish tenth because he easily passes all the random 70-sprinters ahead of him. His supposed lead-out Kupfernagel doesn't even care about him and finishes third.
I'm not going to search for more examples like I said, even though there are way more. This is not just 15% either, but I guess that's clear already. Why I'm sure that it's a yellow jersey curse (except for, well, these obvious results that just keep coming)? In other races in later stages you can see a sprinter winning a stage and even taking green, and still doing well "normally" in the next stage. Things that come to mind that I've reported on are for example. I think Kump won two stages in a row in Pologne after being far enough behind in the GC and for example Itami was first followed by second in stage 3 and 4 of Cheshire after losing a lot of time in stage 1 on the cobbles.
What I take out of this season so far is that when the teams that are favorite for the win have weak support the AI acts "strange", which is if you think about it good imo.
PCM is never going to be perfect and the Mangame makes it even harder for PCM AI. But in the end instead of trying to fix everything by micro management, I'm in the just deal with it, sometimes crazy results are fun team.
Every PCM is different some are better for sprinters, some are better for stage races etc. Of course it sucks when you focus your team on for example time trailing and it turns out the pcm version we are using sucks at it, I know all about it. But maybe next version you are on the lucky side again. At the end of the season the final rankings are overall pretty realistic when analyzing the teams.
Don't get me wrong if they are easy fixes for some problems I'm all in but just not overdo it is my advise. I have been enjoying the races/reports a lot this season: thanks to all the reporters! If they (the reporters) want to change things I will fully support that, they probably have the best overview anyways and also have more say in this imo.
Alright, so I did ten runs today across four different scenarios, 3 of the first 3, and then 1 crazy one just for fun at the end.
Parameters:
I used a stage from the 2017 Giro. Pan flat, but not edited to be completely straight and wide. Nevertheless, the streets were pretty wide and there weren't any super crazy turns which usually disrupted the trains.
I used the best of the best a CT field could possibly be for a flat race:
- Every CT team (Unless I missed one)
- Best 2 sprinters from each team
- Next 6 best flat riders
So obviously this is a really stacked startlist, more than any inflated DB startlist ever. But to be fair, it's not that much worse than a C2HC flat classic.
I used AKA as the primary subject of study because I know AKA and my team construction best, plus he is the guy that most people have considered when talking about the potential rouleur glitch. I also wanted to use CT so stats wouldn't be so high the daily form is capped at 85. His team featured Bertillson, Eislers, and De Vreese as his main helpers.
I kept the overlay on for a lot of screenshots so you can see who someone is or where exactly we are in the race.
Scenario 1: Completely normal stats
Scenario 2: AKA's Flat decreased to 73
Scenario 3: 77 Flat, but Spr/Acc changed from 81/77 to 79/79
Scenario 4: 77 Flat, 85/81 Spr/Acc
Scenario 1: Normal Stats
For reference, I'm including the startlist for each stage that the game generates. Doesn't seem to be any correlation with results, but it shows who the game thinks is good I guess.
Trial 1
Break is caught and Strava/Carlsberg are the leading teams charging ahead at 15 km to go.
Same teams, no trains yet, just over 5 km left to go.
Naesen gets a gap suddenly. De Vreese is on the front. Nordica and Trans with trains.
Bertilsson leave a gap when he launches and AKA falls behind. Centovalli has Reinhardt, Scully, and Cisse, but they're nowhere to be seen.
Van der Sanden takes the win over Salleh and Carsi. AKA 5th, Bertilsson 8th. Reinhardt barely in top 10, Bouhanni 14th.
Results:
Spoiler
Rank
Name
Team
Time
1
Geert Van der Sanden
Philips
3h48'58
2
Mohamed Harrif Salleh
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
3
Mustafa Carsi
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
4
Christian Ranneries
Team Europcar
s.t.
5
Asbjorn Kragh Andersen
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
6
Rüdiger Selig
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
7
Kristian Sbaragli
Strava
s.t.
8
Christian Bertilsson
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
9
Wouter Wippert
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
10
Theo Reinhardt
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
11
Anthony Lavoine
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
12
Luke Keough
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
13
Marco Guillen
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
14
Nacer Bouhanni
Strava
s.t.
15
Dylan Page
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
16
Greg Van Avermaet
Strava
s.t.
17
Lionel Coutinho
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
18
Ismael Kip
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
19
Davide Cimolai
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
20
Oliver Naesen
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
21
Sonny Colbrelli
Strava
s.t.
22
Daniel Schorn
Team Europcar
s.t.
23
Sonomtseren Delgerbayar
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
24
Maciej Ulanowski
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
25
Matteo Pelucchi
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
26
Vyacheslav Kuznetsov
Strava
s.t.
27
Alain Quispe
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
28
Jerome Baugnies
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
29
Juan Jose Lobato del Valle
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
30
Janis Dakteris
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
31
Mikiel Habtom
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
32
Sascha Modolo
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
33
Gasper Katrasnik
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
34
Genki Yamamoto
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
35
Mikhail Ignatiev
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
36
Rudy Barbier
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
37
William Connolly
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
38
Kevin Feiereisen
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
39
Benedikt Mundle
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
40
Ben King
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
41
Alexey Tsatevich
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
42
Geraint Thomas
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
43
Sandis Eislers
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
44
Fabian Lienhard
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
45
Luka Mezgec
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
46
Davide Martinelli
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
47
Jasper Bovenhuis
Philips
s.t.
48
Tomas Paprstka
Philips
s.t.
49
Romeo Quicibal
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
50
Laurens De Vreese
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
51
Daniel Oss
Strava
s.t.
52
Juan Van Heerden
Project: Africa
s.t.
53
Soufiane Haddi
Project: Africa
s.t.
54
Remco Te Brake
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
55
Andre Steensen
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
56
Roger Kluge
Strava
s.t.
57
Suleiman Kangangi
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
58
Christopher Juul-Jensen
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
59
Daniele Ratto
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
60
Michael Schwarzmann
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
61
Nikolas Maes
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
62
Erik Nordsaeter Resell
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
63
Maris Bogdanovics
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
64
Zhihui Jiang
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
65
Hakon Frengstad Berger
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
66
Bert Van Lerberghe
Philips
s.t.
67
Emil Andersson
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
68
Fabien Taillefour
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
69
Travis Meyer
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
70
Adam Petrie-Armstrong
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
71
Pedro Merino Criado
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
72
Robinson Steven Ruiz
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
73
Thomas Vedel Kvist
Team Europcar
s.t.
74
Luka Pibernik
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
75
Thanawut Sanikwathi
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
76
Simone Petilli
Campari Asahi Procycling
s.t.
77
Issiaka Cisse
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
78
Ramon Sinkeldam
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
79
Gihan Pushpakumara
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
80
Jan Ghyselinck
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
81
Odd Christian Eiking
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
82
Jakob Rathe
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
83
Metkel Kiflay
Project: Africa
s.t.
84
Tom Scully
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
85
Thibaut Pinot
Project: Africa
s.t.
86
Daniel Thorsen
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
87
Sascha Weber
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
88
Jan Oelerich
Strava
s.t.
89
Manuel Stocker
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
90
Leonardo Basso
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
91
Nipuna Shira Manamalage
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
92
Marco Canola
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
93
Carlos Alexandre Manarelli
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
94
Maani Altanzul
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
95
Sam Bennett
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
96
Arturs Belevics
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
97
Sean Downey
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
98
Michel Kreder
Philips
s.t.
99
Igor Boev
Philips
s.t.
100
Tesfay Abraha
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
101
John-Lee Augustyn
Project: Africa
s.t.
102
Simone Consonni
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
103
Mateo Frankovic
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
104
Nicola Boem
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
105
Faycal Hamza
Project: Africa
s.t.
106
Narankhuu Baterdene
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
107
Marc Hirschi
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
108
Alexandros Agrotis
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
109
Aksel Nommela
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
110
Daniel Hoelgaard
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
111
Pit Schlechter
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
112
Heiko Redecker
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
113
Nico Keinath
Philips
s.t.
114
Steele Von Hoff
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
115
Michael Vink
Team Europcar
s.t.
116
Freddy Cruz
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
117
Jakub Skala
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
118
Andrea Palini
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
119
Alexander Krieger
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
120
Baptiste Planckaert
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
121
Christoph Taubel
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
122
Youcef Reguigui
Project: Africa
s.t.
123
Jacques Janse van Rensburg
Team Europcar
s.t.
124
Noah Granigan
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
125
Kilian Frankiny
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
126
Manuel Betilson
Project: Africa
s.t.
127
Ethan Hayter
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
128
Bilguunjargal Erdenebat
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
129
Simon Pellaud
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
130
Andrea Pasqualon
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
131
Martin Mahdar
Team Europcar
s.t.
132
Magnus Cort Nielsen
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
133
Samuel Coronel
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
134
Carlo Noia
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
135
James Oram
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
136
Aimiliano Vila
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
137
Pavel Kelemen
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
138
Andrea Enrico Maccagli
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
139
Dietmar Mehr-Wenige
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
140
Daniele Dall'Oste
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
141
Steven Kalf
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
142
Tom Dumoulin
Philips
s.t.
143
Martin Weiss
Team Europcar
s.t.
144
Luc Wirtgen
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
145
Felix English
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
146
Zeke Mostov
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
147
Kristjan Koren
Team Europcar
s.t.
148
Houcaine El Sabbahi
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
149
Philip Lindau
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
150
Andreas Kron
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
151
Matic Veber
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
152
Mathias Norsgaard
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
153
Tesfom Okbamariam
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
154
Bob Schoonbroodt
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
155
El Mehdi Chokri
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
156
Brandon McNulty
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
157
Mohamed Shawal Anuar Aziz
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
158
Kristofer Gunnlaugsson
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
159
Wen Hao Li
Carrefour - ESPN
+ 2'42
160
Olivier Le Gac
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
+ 3'53
161
Eoin McCarthy
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
Trial 2
Centovalli all over the front this time with Strava, Carlsberg nowhere to be seen.
Sprint is on. Strava still in control, Reinhardt a bit in the wind. AKA well behind.
Reinhardt pulls through the middle to take the win. Van der Sanden the only guy to do well very well again in 2nd. Manarelli, Bouhanni and Lavoine in top 5. AKA fails to sprint and finishes 34th, behind his teammates.
Results:
Spoiler
Rank
Name
Team
Time
1
Theo Reinhardt
Centovalli - Fiat
3h44'51
2
Geert Van der Sanden
Philips
s.t.
3
Carlos Alexandre Manarelli
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
4
Nacer Bouhanni
Strava
s.t.
5
Anthony Lavoine
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
6
Mohamed Harrif Salleh
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
7
Mustafa Carsi
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
8
Genki Yamamoto
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
9
Marco Guillen
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
10
Sam Bennett
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
11
Wouter Wippert
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
12
Luka Mezgec
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
13
Rüdiger Selig
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
14
Ismael Kip
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
15
Sonny Colbrelli
Strava
s.t.
16
Sonomtseren Delgerbayar
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
17
Sascha Modolo
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
18
Tom Scully
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
19
Mikhail Ignatiev
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
20
Daniel Schorn
Team Europcar
s.t.
21
Kristian Sbaragli
Strava
s.t.
22
Jerome Baugnies
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
23
Tesfay Abraha
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
24
Gasper Katrasnik
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
25
Ethan Hayter
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
26
Geraint Thomas
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
27
Issiaka Cisse
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
28
Benedikt Mundle
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
29
Christian Bertilsson
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
30
Mateo Frankovic
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
31
Christian Ranneries
Team Europcar
s.t.
32
Janis Dakteris
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
33
Sandis Eislers
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
34
Asbjorn Kragh Andersen
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
35
Matteo Pelucchi
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
36
Maris Bogdanovics
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
37
Alain Quispe
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
38
Roger Kluge
Strava
s.t.
39
Christopher Juul-Jensen
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
40
Juan Van Heerden
Project: Africa
s.t.
41
Manuel Stocker
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
42
Mikiel Habtom
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
43
Juan Jose Lobato del Valle
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
44
Luke Keough
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
45
Nikolas Maes
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
46
Soufiane Haddi
Project: Africa
s.t.
47
Travis Meyer
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
48
Tomas Paprstka
Philips
s.t.
49
Oliver Naesen
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
50
Igor Boev
Philips
s.t.
51
Andre Steensen
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
52
Davide Cimolai
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
53
Odd Christian Eiking
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
54
Emil Andersson
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
55
Fabien Taillefour
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
56
Hakon Frengstad Berger
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
57
Jan Ghyselinck
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
58
Jasper Bovenhuis
Philips
s.t.
59
Arturs Belevics
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
60
Nipuna Shira Manamalage
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
61
Thanawut Sanikwathi
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
62
Simone Petilli
Campari Asahi Procycling
s.t.
63
Felix English
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
64
Zhihui Jiang
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
65
Aimiliano Vila
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
66
Gihan Pushpakumara
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
67
Heiko Redecker
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
68
Alexander Krieger
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
69
Mathias Norsgaard
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
70
Philip Lindau
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
71
Thomas Vedel Kvist
Team Europcar
s.t.
72
Simone Consonni
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
73
Alexey Tsatevich
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
74
Nicola Boem
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
75
William Connolly
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
76
Daniel Oss
Strava
s.t.
77
Marco Canola
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
78
Manuel Betilson
Project: Africa
s.t.
79
Jakob Rathe
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
80
Vyacheslav Kuznetsov
Strava
s.t.
81
Romeo Quicibal
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
82
Andrea Pasqualon
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
83
Metkel Kiflay
Project: Africa
s.t.
84
Erik Nordsaeter Resell
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
85
Ramon Sinkeldam
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
86
Pit Schlechter
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
87
Tesfom Okbamariam
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
88
Ben King
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
89
Baptiste Planckaert
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
90
Simon Pellaud
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
91
Pavel Kelemen
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
92
Martin Mahdar
Team Europcar
s.t.
93
Remco Te Brake
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
94
John-Lee Augustyn
Project: Africa
s.t.
95
Zeke Mostov
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
96
Robinson Steven Ruiz
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
97
Pedro Merino Criado
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
98
Youcef Reguigui
Project: Africa
s.t.
99
Noah Granigan
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
100
Martin Weiss
Team Europcar
s.t.
101
Greg Van Avermaet
Strava
s.t.
102
Bob Schoonbroodt
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
103
Kristofer Gunnlaugsson
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
104
Andrea Palini
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
105
Jan Oelerich
Strava
s.t.
106
Thibaut Pinot
Project: Africa
s.t.
107
Michael Vink
Team Europcar
s.t.
108
Sascha Weber
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
109
Andrea Enrico Maccagli
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
110
Kilian Frankiny
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
111
Jacques Janse van Rensburg
Team Europcar
s.t.
112
Bert Van Lerberghe
Philips
s.t.
113
Eoin McCarthy
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
114
Carlo Noia
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
115
Daniele Dall'Oste
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
116
Leonardo Basso
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
117
Maani Altanzul
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
118
Houcaine El Sabbahi
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
119
Marc Hirschi
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
120
Matic Veber
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
121
Luc Wirtgen
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
122
Freddy Cruz
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
123
Sean Downey
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
124
Fabian Lienhard
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
125
El Mehdi Chokri
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
126
Kristjan Koren
Team Europcar
s.t.
127
Mohamed Shawal Anuar Aziz
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
128
Brandon McNulty
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
129
Michel Kreder
Philips
s.t.
130
Tom Dumoulin
Philips
s.t.
131
Jakub Skala
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
132
Maciej Ulanowski
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
133
Davide Martinelli
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
134
Wen Hao Li
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
135
Adam Petrie-Armstrong
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
136
Michael Schwarzmann
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
137
Rudy Barbier
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
138
Kevin Feiereisen
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
139
Christoph Taubel
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
140
Narankhuu Baterdene
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
141
Alexandros Agrotis
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
142
Luka Pibernik
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
143
Dietmar Mehr-Wenige
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
144
Suleiman Kangangi
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
145
Magnus Cort Nielsen
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
146
Nico Keinath
Philips
s.t.
147
Daniel Hoelgaard
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
148
Steven Kalf
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
149
Daniele Ratto
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
150
Samuel Coronel
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
151
Aksel Nommela
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
152
Faycal Hamza
Project: Africa
s.t.
153
Dylan Page
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
154
Andreas Kron
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
155
Daniel Thorsen
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
156
Steele Von Hoff
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
157
Olivier Le Gac
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
158
Lionel Coutinho
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
159
Bilguunjargal Erdenebat
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
160
James Oram
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
161
Laurens De Vreese
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
+ 5'31
Trial 3:
Little bit more chaotic this time, you can see the turn here in the final.
AKA is isolated and well behind the sprinter's teams.
Bralirwa doing the main leadout. Carsi on the wheel.
Carsi takes a dominating win ahead of Selig and Lobato. AKA doesn't sprint and finishes 36th. Reinhardt also outside the top 10 this time, as Merino Craido finishes ahead of him.
Results:
Spoiler
Rank
Name
Team
Time
1
Mustafa Carsi
Nordica - Enel
3h44'13
2
Rüdiger Selig
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
3
Juan Jose Lobato del Valle
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
4
Mohamed Harrif Salleh
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
5
Nacer Bouhanni
Strava
s.t.
6
Carlos Alexandre Manarelli
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
7
Anthony Lavoine
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
8
Wouter Wippert
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
9
Pedro Merino Criado
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
10
Luka Mezgec
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
11
Theo Reinhardt
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
12
Davide Cimolai
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
13
Mikhail Ignatiev
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
14
Sascha Weber
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
15
Mikiel Habtom
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
16
Alain Quispe
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
17
Gasper Katrasnik
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
18
Tom Scully
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
19
Romeo Quicibal
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
20
Geraint Thomas
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
21
Maris Bogdanovics
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
22
Maani Altanzul
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
23
Pit Schlechter
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
24
Matteo Pelucchi
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
25
Genki Yamamoto
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
26
Leonardo Basso
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
27
Issiaka Cisse
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
28
Rudy Barbier
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
29
Benedikt Mundle
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
30
Maciej Ulanowski
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
31
Jerome Baugnies
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
32
Luke Keough
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
33
Heiko Redecker
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
34
Christian Ranneries
Team Europcar
s.t.
35
Robinson Steven Ruiz
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
36
Asbjorn Kragh Andersen
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
37
Alexander Krieger
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
38
Oliver Naesen
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
39
Christian Bertilsson
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
40
Christopher Juul-Jensen
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
41
Daniel Schorn
Team Europcar
s.t.
42
Davide Martinelli
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
43
Sonomtseren Delgerbayar
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
44
Vyacheslav Kuznetsov
Strava
s.t.
45
William Connolly
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
46
Emil Andersson
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
47
Magnus Cort Nielsen
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
48
Tomas Paprstka
Philips
s.t.
49
Arturs Belevics
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
50
Travis Meyer
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
51
Tesfom Okbamariam
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
52
Jasper Bovenhuis
Philips
s.t.
53
Nikolas Maes
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
54
Ben King
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
55
Soufiane Haddi
Project: Africa
s.t.
56
Sam Bennett
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
57
Juan Van Heerden
Project: Africa
s.t.
58
Tom Dumoulin
Philips
s.t.
59
Samuel Coronel
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
60
Steele Von Hoff
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
61
Daniel Thorsen
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
62
Geert Van der Sanden
Philips
s.t.
63
Sandis Eislers
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
64
Remco Te Brake
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
65
Baptiste Planckaert
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
66
John-Lee Augustyn
Project: Africa
s.t.
67
Thomas Vedel Kvist
Team Europcar
s.t.
68
Ismael Kip
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
69
Ramon Sinkeldam
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
70
Pavel Kelemen
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
71
Alexandros Agrotis
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
72
Nipuna Shira Manamalage
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
73
Daniel Oss
Strava
s.t.
74
Bert Van Lerberghe
Philips
s.t.
75
Faycal Hamza
Project: Africa
s.t.
76
Martin Mahdar
Team Europcar
s.t.
77
Daniele Ratto
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
78
Jan Ghyselinck
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
79
Thibaut Pinot
Project: Africa
s.t.
80
Dietmar Mehr-Wenige
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
81
Martin Weiss
Team Europcar
s.t.
82
Manuel Betilson
Project: Africa
s.t.
83
Erik Nordsaeter Resell
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
84
Jakob Rathe
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
85
Nicola Boem
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
86
Mateo Frankovic
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
87
Odd Christian Eiking
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
88
Andre Steensen
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
89
Suleiman Kangangi
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
90
Kristofer Gunnlaugsson
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
91
Marco Canola
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
92
Noah Granigan
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
93
Luka Pibernik
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
94
Wen Hao Li
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
95
Youcef Reguigui
Project: Africa
s.t.
96
Adam Petrie-Armstrong
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
97
Laurens De Vreese
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
98
Igor Boev
Philips
s.t.
99
Kevin Feiereisen
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
100
Hakon Frengstad Berger
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
101
Michael Vink
Team Europcar
s.t.
102
Philip Lindau
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
103
Jan Oelerich
Strava
s.t.
104
Sascha Modolo
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
105
Nico Keinath
Philips
s.t.
106
Alexey Tsatevich
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
107
Simone Consonni
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
108
Aksel Nommela
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
109
Michael Schwarzmann
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
110
Narankhuu Baterdene
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
111
Andrea Palini
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
112
Bob Schoonbroodt
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
113
Michel Kreder
Philips
s.t.
114
Jacques Janse van Rensburg
Team Europcar
s.t.
115
Christoph Taubel
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
116
Greg Van Avermaet
Strava
s.t.
117
Dylan Page
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
118
Freddy Cruz
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
119
Sean Downey
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
120
Jakub Skala
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
121
Marco Guillen
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
122
Eoin McCarthy
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
123
Kristian Sbaragli
Strava
s.t.
124
Daniele Dall'Oste
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
125
Andrea Enrico Maccagli
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
126
Felix English
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
127
Simon Pellaud
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
128
Lionel Coutinho
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
129
Daniel Hoelgaard
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
130
Gihan Pushpakumara
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
131
Fabian Lienhard
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
132
Manuel Stocker
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
133
Bilguunjargal Erdenebat
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
134
Olivier Le Gac
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
135
Roger Kluge
Strava
s.t.
136
Tesfay Abraha
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
137
Aimiliano Vila
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
138
James Oram
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
139
Kilian Frankiny
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
140
Andreas Kron
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
141
El Mehdi Chokri
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
142
Houcaine El Sabbahi
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
143
Ethan Hayter
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
144
Carlo Noia
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
145
Andrea Pasqualon
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
146
Steven Kalf
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
147
Mathias Norsgaard
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
148
Matic Veber
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
149
Brandon McNulty
McCormick Pro Cycling
+ 3'19
150
Luc Wirtgen
McCormick Pro Cycling
+ 3'56
151
Mohamed Shawal Anuar Aziz
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
152
Kristjan Koren
Team Europcar
s.t.
153
Zhihui Jiang
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
154
Fabien Taillefour
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
155
Thanawut Sanikwathi
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
156
Janis Dakteris
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
157
Sonny Colbrelli
Strava
s.t.
158
Simone Petilli
Campari Asahi Procycling
+ 4'45
159
Marc Hirschi
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
160
Metkel Kiflay
Project: Africa
s.t.
Scenario 2: Decrease AKA's Flat from 77 -> 73
For the next 3 trials, I used the exact same startlist, except I decreased AKA's flat to 73. The point of this test was to see if making AKA's flat too weak to be a rouleur would have any effect. Would he now commit fully to the sprint?
Trial 1
Variety of teams controlling the race throughout the day.
AKA lingering near the front, no team support.
No real trains, just very messy as the sprint opens.
AKA straight up sits up and starts talking on his radio during the sprint.
Carsi takes another win, Bouhanni and Reinhardt behind.
Kragh Andersen wins the sprint of people not involved in the sprint, 25th place.
Results
Spoiler
Rank
Name
Team
Time
1
Mustafa Carsi
Nordica - Enel
3h52'22
2
Nacer Bouhanni
Strava
s.t.
3
Theo Reinhardt
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
4
Anthony Lavoine
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
5
Marco Guillen
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
6
Rüdiger Selig
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
7
Mohamed Harrif Salleh
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
8
Rudy Barbier
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
9
Alexander Krieger
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
10
Jerome Baugnies
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
11
Mikhail Ignatiev
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
12
Nicola Boem
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
13
Janis Dakteris
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
14
Wouter Wippert
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
15
Davide Martinelli
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
16
Vyacheslav Kuznetsov
Strava
s.t.
17
Sam Bennett
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
18
Luke Keough
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
19
Heiko Redecker
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
20
Maris Bogdanovics
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
21
Davide Cimolai
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
22
Sonomtseren Delgerbayar
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
23
Pedro Merino Criado
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
24
Benedikt Mundle
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
25
Asbjorn Kragh Andersen
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
26
Nikolas Maes
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
27
Thanawut Sanikwathi
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
28
Tom Scully
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
29
Oliver Naesen
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
30
Maciej Ulanowski
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
31
Christian Ranneries
Team Europcar
s.t.
32
Ben King
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
33
Alain Quispe
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
34
William Connolly
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
35
Mikiel Habtom
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
36
Christian Bertilsson
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
37
Juan Jose Lobato del Valle
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
38
Sandis Eislers
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
39
Robinson Steven Ruiz
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
40
Juan Van Heerden
Project: Africa
s.t.
41
Alexey Tsatevich
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
42
Thomas Vedel Kvist
Team Europcar
s.t.
43
Erik Nordsaeter Resell
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
44
Christopher Juul-Jensen
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
45
Emil Andersson
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
46
Travis Meyer
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
47
Ramon Sinkeldam
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
48
Olivier Le Gac
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
49
Jasper Bovenhuis
Philips
s.t.
50
Eoin McCarthy
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
51
Wen Hao Li
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
52
Gasper Katrasnik
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
53
Manuel Stocker
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
54
Soufiane Haddi
Project: Africa
s.t.
55
Daniel Schorn
Team Europcar
s.t.
56
Issiaka Cisse
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
57
Jacques Janse van Rensburg
Team Europcar
s.t.
58
Thibaut Pinot
Project: Africa
s.t.
59
Marc Hirschi
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
60
Faycal Hamza
Project: Africa
s.t.
61
Daniel Thorsen
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
62
Samuel Coronel
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
63
John-Lee Augustyn
Project: Africa
s.t.
64
Zhihui Jiang
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
65
Pit Schlechter
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
66
Jakob Rathe
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
67
Daniel Hoelgaard
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
68
Baptiste Planckaert
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
69
Arturs Belevics
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
70
Mateo Frankovic
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
71
Laurens De Vreese
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
72
Michael Vink
Team Europcar
s.t.
73
Simon Pellaud
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
74
Kilian Frankiny
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
75
Adam Petrie-Armstrong
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
76
Romeo Quicibal
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
77
Carlo Noia
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
78
Brandon McNulty
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
79
Youcef Reguigui
Project: Africa
s.t.
80
Tesfom Okbamariam
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
81
Martin Weiss
Team Europcar
s.t.
82
Noah Granigan
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
83
Kristjan Koren
Team Europcar
s.t.
84
Kristofer Gunnlaugsson
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
85
Kristian Sbaragli
Strava
s.t.
86
Manuel Betilson
Project: Africa
s.t.
87
Zeke Mostov
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
88
Luc Wirtgen
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
89
Remco Te Brake
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
90
Michel Kreder
Philips
s.t.
91
Daniele Ratto
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
92
Greg Van Avermaet
Strava
s.t.
93
Carlos Alexandre Manarelli
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
94
Suleiman Kangangi
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
95
Dietmar Mehr-Wenige
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
96
Odd Christian Eiking
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
97
Houcaine El Sabbahi
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
98
Martin Mahdar
Team Europcar
s.t.
99
Fabien Taillefour
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
100
Sonny Colbrelli
Strava
s.t.
101
Daniel Oss
Strava
s.t.
102
Luka Mezgec
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
103
Dylan Page
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
104
Sascha Modolo
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
105
Jan Oelerich
Strava
s.t.
106
Igor Boev
Philips
s.t.
107
Maani Altanzul
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
108
Leonardo Basso
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
109
Geert Van der Sanden
Philips
s.t.
110
Luka Pibernik
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
111
Fabian Lienhard
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
112
Andre Steensen
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
113
Nico Keinath
Philips
s.t.
114
Ethan Hayter
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
115
Philip Lindau
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
116
Sascha Weber
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
117
Steele Von Hoff
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
118
Jakub Skala
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
119
Genki Yamamoto
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
120
Nipuna Shira Manamalage
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
121
Jan Ghyselinck
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
122
Bert Van Lerberghe
Philips
s.t.
123
Tomas Paprstka
Philips
s.t.
124
Alexandros Agrotis
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
125
Freddy Cruz
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
126
Hakon Frengstad Berger
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
127
James Oram
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
128
Metkel Kiflay
Project: Africa
s.t.
129
Matteo Pelucchi
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
130
Tesfay Abraha
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
131
Simone Consonni
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
132
Gihan Pushpakumara
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
133
Kevin Feiereisen
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
134
Christoph Taubel
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
135
Daniele Dall'Oste
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
136
Geraint Thomas
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
137
Magnus Cort Nielsen
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
138
Andrea Enrico Maccagli
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
139
Andrea Palini
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
140
Narankhuu Baterdene
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
141
Tom Dumoulin
Philips
s.t.
142
Aksel Nommela
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
143
Bob Schoonbroodt
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
144
Matic Veber
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
145
Bilguunjargal Erdenebat
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
146
Aimiliano Vila
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
147
Andreas Kron
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
148
Felix English
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
149
El Mehdi Chokri
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
150
Sean Downey
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
+ 3'15
151
Mohamed Shawal Anuar Aziz
Sauber Petronas Racing
+ 3'48
152
Ismael Kip
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
153
Andrea Pasqualon
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
154
Pavel Kelemen
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
155
Marco Canola
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
156
Mathias Norsgaard
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
157
Lionel Coutinho
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
158
Roger Kluge
Strava
s.t.
159
Michael Schwarzmann
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
Trial 2
Agglomeration of Carlsberg and Centovalli guys near the front.
Bertilsson leading out AKA for once, Scully trying to leadout out Reinhardt. Both sprinters can't keep up with their leadouts at first.
AKA manages to launch and looks good for a while, but fades hard and finishes 7th. Sam Bennett pips Reinhardt on the line.
Results:
Spoiler
Rank
Name
Team
Time
1
Sam Bennett
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
3h44'13
2
Theo Reinhardt
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
3
Remco Te Brake
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
4
Mohamed Harrif Salleh
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
5
Dylan Page
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
6
Anthony Lavoine
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
7
Asbjorn Kragh Andersen
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
8
Wouter Wippert
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
9
Mustafa Carsi
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
10
Rüdiger Selig
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
11
Mikiel Habtom
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
12
Tom Scully
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
13
Alexander Krieger
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
14
Luke Keough
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
15
Luka Mezgec
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
16
Christian Bertilsson
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
17
Sascha Weber
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
18
Rudy Barbier
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
19
Matteo Pelucchi
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
20
Jerome Baugnies
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
21
Michel Kreder
Philips
s.t.
22
Sascha Modolo
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
23
Hakon Frengstad Berger
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
24
Heiko Redecker
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
25
Juan Van Heerden
Project: Africa
s.t.
26
Alain Quispe
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
27
Bert Van Lerberghe
Philips
s.t.
28
Igor Boev
Philips
s.t.
29
Gasper Katrasnik
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
30
Benedikt Mundle
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
31
Maani Altanzul
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
32
Mikhail Ignatiev
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
33
Bob Schoonbroodt
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
34
Jan Ghyselinck
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
35
Sonomtseren Delgerbayar
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
36
Geraint Thomas
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
37
Leonardo Basso
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
38
Thomas Vedel Kvist
Team Europcar
s.t.
39
Nikolas Maes
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
40
Geert Van der Sanden
Philips
s.t.
41
William Connolly
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
42
Fabian Lienhard
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
43
Davide Cimolai
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
44
Soufiane Haddi
Project: Africa
s.t.
45
Oliver Naesen
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
46
Travis Meyer
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
47
Ben King
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
48
Emil Andersson
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
49
Nipuna Shira Manamalage
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
50
Gihan Pushpakumara
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
51
Freddy Cruz
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
52
Jasper Bovenhuis
Philips
s.t.
53
Andre Steensen
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
54
Bilguunjargal Erdenebat
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
55
Tom Dumoulin
Philips
s.t.
56
Issiaka Cisse
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
57
Nacer Bouhanni
Strava
s.t.
58
Juan Jose Lobato del Valle
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
59
Manuel Stocker
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
60
Maris Bogdanovics
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
61
Kristian Sbaragli
Strava
s.t.
62
Tomas Paprstka
Philips
s.t.
63
Eoin McCarthy
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
64
Simone Consonni
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
65
Sonny Colbrelli
Strava
s.t.
66
Sandis Eislers
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
67
Jan Oelerich
Strava
s.t.
68
Marco Canola
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
69
Ramon Sinkeldam
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
70
Zhihui Jiang
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
71
Tesfom Okbamariam
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
72
Pit Schlechter
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
73
Nicola Boem
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
74
Felix English
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
75
Adam Petrie-Armstrong
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
76
Laurens De Vreese
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
77
Roger Kluge
Strava
s.t.
78
John-Lee Augustyn
Project: Africa
s.t.
79
Carlo Noia
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
80
Vyacheslav Kuznetsov
Strava
s.t.
81
Pedro Merino Criado
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
82
Ismael Kip
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
83
Nico Keinath
Philips
s.t.
84
Narankhuu Baterdene
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
85
Marco Guillen
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
86
Martin Mahdar
Team Europcar
s.t.
87
Pavel Kelemen
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
88
Faycal Hamza
Project: Africa
s.t.
89
Greg Van Avermaet
Strava
s.t.
90
Suleiman Kangangi
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
91
Thibaut Pinot
Project: Africa
s.t.
92
Andrea Pasqualon
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
93
Marc Hirschi
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
94
Jakub Skala
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
95
Daniel Oss
Strava
s.t.
96
Daniele Ratto
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
97
Dietmar Mehr-Wenige
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
98
Christopher Juul-Jensen
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
99
Manuel Betilson
Project: Africa
s.t.
100
Mohamed Shawal Anuar Aziz
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
101
Youcef Reguigui
Project: Africa
s.t.
102
Janis Dakteris
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
103
Arturs Belevics
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
104
Baptiste Planckaert
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
105
Kilian Frankiny
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
106
Christoph Taubel
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
107
Lionel Coutinho
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
108
Michael Schwarzmann
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
109
Andrea Enrico Maccagli
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
110
Metkel Kiflay
Project: Africa
s.t.
111
Daniele Dall'Oste
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
112
Christian Ranneries
Team Europcar
s.t.
113
Daniel Thorsen
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
114
Thanawut Sanikwathi
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
115
Mateo Frankovic
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
116
Philip Lindau
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
117
Aksel Nommela
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
118
Maciej Ulanowski
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
119
Robinson Steven Ruiz
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
120
Fabien Taillefour
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
121
Wen Hao Li
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
122
Olivier Le Gac
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
123
El Mehdi Chokri
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
124
Luka Pibernik
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
125
Carlos Alexandre Manarelli
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
126
Andrea Palini
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
127
Daniel Schorn
Team Europcar
s.t.
128
Tesfay Abraha
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
129
James Oram
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
130
Daniel Hoelgaard
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
131
Erik Nordsaeter Resell
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
132
Simon Pellaud
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
133
Magnus Cort Nielsen
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
134
Michael Vink
Team Europcar
s.t.
135
Ethan Hayter
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
136
Samuel Coronel
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
137
Romeo Quicibal
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
138
Alexey Tsatevich
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
139
Sean Downey
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
140
Odd Christian Eiking
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
141
Davide Martinelli
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
142
Matic Veber
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
143
Steven Kalf
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
144
Andreas Kron
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
145
Jakob Rathe
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
146
Zeke Mostov
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
147
Kevin Feiereisen
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
148
Aimiliano Vila
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
149
Kristjan Koren
Team Europcar
s.t.
150
Steele Von Hoff
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
151
Alexandros Agrotis
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
152
Martin Weiss
Team Europcar
s.t.
153
Houcaine El Sabbahi
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
154
Noah Granigan
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
155
Mathias Norsgaard
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
156
Jacques Janse van Rensburg
Team Europcar
s.t.
157
Genki Yamamoto
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
158
Luc Wirtgen
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
159
Kristofer Gunnlaugsson
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
160
Brandon McNulty
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
Trial 3:
Guave all over the front paceline for Coutinho.
Centovalli with a very solid leadout, Tyrg too, but further behind.
AKA once again behind, no teammates. He starts his sprint late after a gap opens.
Krieger takes it over Lobato, and another great sprint by Carsi. Reinhardt switched sides of the rode and got slowed up. AKA in 28th.
Results:
Spoiler
Rank
Name
Team
Time
1
Alexander Krieger
Tryg - Ritter Sport
3h41'35
2
Juan Jose Lobato del Valle
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
3
Mustafa Carsi
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
4
Anthony Lavoine
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
5
Lionel Coutinho
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
6
Mikhail Ignatiev
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
7
Theo Reinhardt
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
8
Luke Keough
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
9
Wouter Wippert
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
10
Nacer Bouhanni
Strava
s.t.
11
Mohamed Harrif Salleh
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
12
Rüdiger Selig
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
13
Matteo Pelucchi
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
14
Gasper Katrasnik
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
15
Tom Scully
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
16
Thomas Vedel Kvist
Team Europcar
s.t.
17
Jerome Baugnies
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
18
Benedikt Mundle
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
19
Dylan Page
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
20
Maris Bogdanovics
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
21
Sonomtseren Delgerbayar
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
22
Kristian Sbaragli
Strava
s.t.
23
Rudy Barbier
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
24
Kevin Feiereisen
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
25
Daniel Schorn
Team Europcar
s.t.
26
Issiaka Cisse
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
27
Vyacheslav Kuznetsov
Strava
s.t.
28
Asbjorn Kragh Andersen
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
29
Christian Bertilsson
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
30
Travis Meyer
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
31
Alain Quispe
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
32
Greg Van Avermaet
Strava
s.t.
33
Christopher Juul-Jensen
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
34
Davide Cimolai
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
35
Carlos Alexandre Manarelli
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
36
Oliver Naesen
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
37
Steven Kalf
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
38
Pit Schlechter
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
39
Geert Van der Sanden
Philips
s.t.
40
Soufiane Haddi
Project: Africa
s.t.
41
John-Lee Augustyn
Project: Africa
s.t.
42
Wen Hao Li
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
43
Michel Kreder
Philips
s.t.
44
Ben King
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
45
Erik Nordsaeter Resell
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
46
Magnus Cort Nielsen
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
47
Fabien Taillefour
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
48
Nikolas Maes
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
49
Juan Van Heerden
Project: Africa
s.t.
50
Daniel Hoelgaard
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
51
Sandis Eislers
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
52
Igor Boev
Philips
s.t.
53
Ramon Sinkeldam
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
54
William Connolly
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
55
Romeo Quicibal
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
56
Aksel Nommela
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
57
Gihan Pushpakumara
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
58
Andreas Kron
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
59
Manuel Stocker
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
60
Sonny Colbrelli
Strava
s.t.
61
Sam Bennett
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
62
Thanawut Sanikwathi
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
63
Baptiste Planckaert
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
64
Arturs Belevics
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
65
Felix English
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
66
Nico Keinath
Philips
s.t.
67
Adam Petrie-Armstrong
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
68
Bert Van Lerberghe
Philips
s.t.
69
Laurens De Vreese
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
70
Hakon Frengstad Berger
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
71
Mateo Frankovic
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
72
Tomas Paprstka
Philips
s.t.
73
Daniel Oss
Strava
s.t.
74
Jan Oelerich
Strava
s.t.
75
Jan Ghyselinck
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
76
Faycal Hamza
Project: Africa
s.t.
77
Freddy Cruz
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
78
Thibaut Pinot
Project: Africa
s.t.
79
Olivier Le Gac
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
80
Genki Yamamoto
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
81
Nicola Boem
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
82
Fabian Lienhard
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
83
Noah Granigan
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
84
Metkel Kiflay
Project: Africa
s.t.
85
Eoin McCarthy
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
86
Jakub Skala
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
87
Zeke Mostov
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
88
Ethan Hayter
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
89
Sean Downey
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
90
Michael Vink
Team Europcar
s.t.
91
Jasper Bovenhuis
Philips
s.t.
92
Tom Dumoulin
Philips
s.t.
93
Mathias Norsgaard
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
94
Janis Dakteris
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
95
Suleiman Kangangi
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
96
Brandon McNulty
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
97
Kristofer Gunnlaugsson
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
98
Maciej Ulanowski
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
99
Roger Kluge
Strava
s.t.
100
Mikiel Habtom
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
101
Luc Wirtgen
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
102
Youcef Reguigui
Project: Africa
s.t.
103
Leonardo Basso
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
104
Martin Weiss
Team Europcar
s.t.
105
Christian Ranneries
Team Europcar
s.t.
106
Odd Christian Eiking
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
107
Davide Martinelli
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
108
Ismael Kip
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
109
Sascha Weber
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
110
Pedro Merino Criado
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
111
Samuel Coronel
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
112
Remco Te Brake
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
113
Daniele Ratto
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
114
Maani Altanzul
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
115
Marco Guillen
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
116
Alexey Tsatevich
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
117
Manuel Betilson
Project: Africa
s.t.
118
Dietmar Mehr-Wenige
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
119
Nipuna Shira Manamalage
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
120
Geraint Thomas
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
121
Narankhuu Baterdene
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
122
Robinson Steven Ruiz
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
123
Tesfay Abraha
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
124
Luka Mezgec
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
125
Sascha Modolo
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
126
Heiko Redecker
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
127
Emil Andersson
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
128
James Oram
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
129
Marco Canola
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
130
Simone Consonni
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
131
Philip Lindau
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
132
Andre Steensen
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
133
Luka Pibernik
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
134
Zhihui Jiang
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
135
Christoph Taubel
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
136
Steele Von Hoff
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
137
Martin Mahdar
Team Europcar
s.t.
138
Pavel Kelemen
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
139
Marc Hirschi
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
140
Tesfom Okbamariam
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
141
Daniele Dall'Oste
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
142
Simon Pellaud
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
143
Jacques Janse van Rensburg
Team Europcar
s.t.
144
El Mehdi Chokri
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
145
Bilguunjargal Erdenebat
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
146
Aimiliano Vila
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
147
Alexandros Agrotis
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
148
Michael Schwarzmann
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
149
Andrea Enrico Maccagli
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
150
Andrea Palini
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
151
Carlo Noia
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
152
Andrea Pasqualon
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
153
Mohamed Shawal Anuar Aziz
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
154
Kilian Frankiny
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
155
Houcaine El Sabbahi
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
156
Bob Schoonbroodt
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
157
Kristjan Koren
Team Europcar
s.t.
158
Matic Veber
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
159
Daniel Thorsen
Eddie Stobart
+ 3'42
160
Jakob Rathe
McCormick Pro Cycling
+ 12'33
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy
Scenario 3: 77 Flat, but Spr/Acc is 79/79 instead of 81/77
Point of this test was to determine if rouleur designation and position is based not on flat stat, but on the ratio relationship between sprint and acceleration. In order to not make AKA too powerful, I decreased his Sprint parallel to increasing his acceleration. So in theory, if sprint > acc in effect, he should be weaker overall.
Trial 1:
Variety of teams pacing, but no Carlsberg.
Centovalli and Nordica looking good forming their trains behind the paceline.
Interestingly, it's Cisse, not Scully, doing the final leadout for Reinhardt this time. Ulanowski doing a great job for Carsi on the front. AKA at the back of this group.
Carsi takes another big win. He's really loving this stage. Some new names in the top place. AKA surfs wheels to finish 9th.
Result:
Spoiler
Rank
Name
Team
Time
1
Mustafa Carsi
Nordica - Enel
3h41'31
2
Luke Keough
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
3
Rüdiger Selig
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
4
Rudy Barbier
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
5
Theo Reinhardt
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
6
Wouter Wippert
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
7
Alexander Krieger
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
8
Mohamed Harrif Salleh
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
9
Asbjorn Kragh Andersen
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
10
Thomas Vedel Kvist
Team Europcar
s.t.
11
Anthony Lavoine
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
12
Mikiel Habtom
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
13
Luka Mezgec
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
14
Sam Bennett
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
15
Marco Guillen
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
16
Nikolas Maes
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
17
Issiaka Cisse
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
18
Sonomtseren Delgerbayar
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
19
Sascha Modolo
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
20
Christian Bertilsson
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
21
Matteo Pelucchi
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
22
Sonny Colbrelli
Strava
s.t.
23
Nacer Bouhanni
Strava
s.t.
24
Maciej Ulanowski
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
25
Davide Cimolai
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
26
William Connolly
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
27
Alain Quispe
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
28
Gasper Katrasnik
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
29
Kristian Sbaragli
Strava
s.t.
30
Vyacheslav Kuznetsov
Strava
s.t.
31
Christopher Juul-Jensen
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
32
Mikhail Ignatiev
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
33
Laurens De Vreese
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
34
Benedikt Mundle
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
35
Jan Oelerich
Strava
s.t.
36
Pedro Merino Criado
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
37
Alexey Tsatevich
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
38
Jasper Bovenhuis
Philips
s.t.
39
Soufiane Haddi
Project: Africa
s.t.
40
Juan Jose Lobato del Valle
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
41
Andre Steensen
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
42
Leonardo Basso
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
43
Tom Scully
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
44
Sandis Eislers
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
45
Jakob Rathe
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
46
Jan Ghyselinck
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
47
Oliver Naesen
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
48
Davide Martinelli
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
49
Juan Van Heerden
Project: Africa
s.t.
50
Manuel Stocker
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
51
Sascha Weber
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
52
Nipuna Shira Manamalage
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
53
Hakon Frengstad Berger
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
54
Robinson Steven Ruiz
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
55
Carlos Alexandre Manarelli
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
56
Luka Pibernik
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
57
Fabian Lienhard
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
58
Michel Kreder
Philips
s.t.
59
Tesfay Abraha
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
60
Thanawut Sanikwathi
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
61
Greg Van Avermaet
Strava
s.t.
62
Simone Consonni
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
63
Maris Bogdanovics
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
64
Sean Downey
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
65
Zhihui Jiang
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
66
Eoin McCarthy
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
67
Remco Te Brake
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
68
Nicola Boem
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
69
Tom Dumoulin
Philips
s.t.
70
Andrea Pasqualon
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
71
Emil Andersson
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
72
Michael Schwarzmann
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
73
Fabien Taillefour
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
74
Marco Canola
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
75
Adam Petrie-Armstrong
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
76
Daniele Ratto
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
77
Geert Van der Sanden
Philips
s.t.
78
Suleiman Kangangi
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
79
Daniel Oss
Strava
s.t.
80
Travis Meyer
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
81
Pit Schlechter
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
82
Ben King
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
83
Maani Altanzul
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
84
Bert Van Lerberghe
Philips
s.t.
85
Simon Pellaud
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
86
Dietmar Mehr-Wenige
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
87
Gihan Pushpakumara
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
88
Marc Hirschi
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
89
Ramon Sinkeldam
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
90
Steele Von Hoff
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
91
Samuel Coronel
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
92
Wen Hao Li
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
93
Igor Boev
Philips
s.t.
94
Kilian Frankiny
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
95
Matic Veber
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
96
Daniel Schorn
Team Europcar
s.t.
97
Geraint Thomas
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
98
Ismael Kip
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
99
Jakub Skala
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
100
Michael Vink
Team Europcar
s.t.
101
Genki Yamamoto
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
102
Nico Keinath
Philips
s.t.
103
Philip Lindau
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
104
Freddy Cruz
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
105
Pavel Kelemen
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
106
Arturs Belevics
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
107
Thibaut Pinot
Project: Africa
s.t.
108
Roger Kluge
Strava
s.t.
109
Mohamed Shawal Anuar Aziz
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
110
Felix English
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
111
John-Lee Augustyn
Project: Africa
s.t.
112
Tomas Paprstka
Philips
s.t.
113
Christoph Taubel
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
114
Baptiste Planckaert
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
115
Faycal Hamza
Project: Africa
s.t.
116
Romeo Quicibal
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
117
Metkel Kiflay
Project: Africa
s.t.
118
Jerome Baugnies
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
119
Janis Dakteris
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
120
Youcef Reguigui
Project: Africa
s.t.
121
Mateo Frankovic
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
122
Jacques Janse van Rensburg
Team Europcar
s.t.
123
Lionel Coutinho
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
124
Ethan Hayter
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
125
Heiko Redecker
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
126
Christian Ranneries
Team Europcar
s.t.
127
Daniel Hoelgaard
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
128
Olivier Le Gac
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
129
Andrea Palini
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
130
Alexandros Agrotis
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
131
Magnus Cort Nielsen
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
132
Zeke Mostov
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
133
Daniele Dall'Oste
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
134
Erik Nordsaeter Resell
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
135
Kevin Feiereisen
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
136
Noah Granigan
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
137
Martin Weiss
Team Europcar
s.t.
138
Martin Mahdar
Team Europcar
s.t.
139
Andrea Enrico Maccagli
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
140
Kristjan Koren
Team Europcar
s.t.
141
Aksel Nommela
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
142
Tesfom Okbamariam
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
143
Dylan Page
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
144
Mathias Norsgaard
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
145
Brandon McNulty
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
146
Luc Wirtgen
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
147
Narankhuu Baterdene
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
148
El Mehdi Chokri
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
149
Andreas Kron
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
150
Houcaine El Sabbahi
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
151
Bob Schoonbroodt
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
152
James Oram
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
153
Kristofer Gunnlaugsson
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
154
Carlo Noia
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
155
Steven Kalf
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
156
Aimiliano Vila
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
157
Bilguunjargal Erdenebat
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
158
Odd Christian Eiking
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
+ 3'33
159
Daniel Thorsen
Eddie Stobart
+ 5'01
160
Manuel Betilson
Project: Africa
+ 5'56
Trial 2:
Nordica with such a powerful leadout this time that he has actually forced a gap in the run in.
AKA again lets a gap go and starts late, he's way behind now.
Carsi holds on for yet another victory. Reinhardt, who was uncharacteristically without a leadout this time, finishes second. AKA strolls in in 24th.
Results:
Spoiler
Rank
Name
Team
Time
1
Mustafa Carsi
Nordica - Enel
3h55'13
2
Theo Reinhardt
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
3
Dylan Page
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
4
Nacer Bouhanni
Strava
s.t.
5
Anthony Lavoine
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
6
Lionel Coutinho
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
7
Luke Keough
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
8
Marco Guillen
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
9
Wouter Wippert
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
10
Rüdiger Selig
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
11
Mikhail Ignatiev
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
12
Gasper Katrasnik
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
13
Maciej Ulanowski
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
14
Mohamed Harrif Salleh
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
15
Sonomtseren Delgerbayar
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
16
Ismael Kip
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
17
Janis Dakteris
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
18
Alexander Krieger
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
19
Jerome Baugnies
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
20
Thanawut Sanikwathi
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
21
Vyacheslav Kuznetsov
Strava
s.t.
22
Christian Ranneries
Team Europcar
s.t.
23
Alain Quispe
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
24
Asbjorn Kragh Andersen
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
25
Kevin Feiereisen
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
26
Rudy Barbier
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
27
Benedikt Mundle
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
28
Maris Bogdanovics
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
29
Thomas Vedel Kvist
Team Europcar
s.t.
30
Travis Meyer
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
31
Soufiane Haddi
Project: Africa
s.t.
32
Hakon Frengstad Berger
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
33
Davide Cimolai
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
34
Jakub Skala
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
35
Pedro Merino Criado
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
36
Mikiel Habtom
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
37
Juan Jose Lobato del Valle
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
38
Alexey Tsatevich
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
39
Nikolas Maes
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
40
Gihan Pushpakumara
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
41
Jan Ghyselinck
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
42
Christian Bertilsson
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
43
Oliver Naesen
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
44
Ben King
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
45
Sam Bennett
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
46
Christopher Juul-Jensen
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
47
Laurens De Vreese
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
48
Nicola Boem
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
49
Felix English
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
50
Matteo Pelucchi
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
51
William Connolly
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
52
Davide Martinelli
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
53
Ramon Sinkeldam
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
54
Olivier Le Gac
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
55
Erik Nordsaeter Resell
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
56
Zhihui Jiang
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
57
Daniel Thorsen
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
58
Geert Van der Sanden
Philips
s.t.
59
Bert Van Lerberghe
Philips
s.t.
60
Emil Andersson
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
61
Igor Boev
Philips
s.t.
62
Suleiman Kangangi
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
63
Nico Keinath
Philips
s.t.
64
Simone Petilli
Campari Asahi Procycling
s.t.
65
Michel Kreder
Philips
s.t.
66
Carlos Alexandre Manarelli
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
67
Tom Dumoulin
Philips
s.t.
68
Romeo Quicibal
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
69
Kristian Sbaragli
Strava
s.t.
70
Tomas Paprstka
Philips
s.t.
71
Daniel Schorn
Team Europcar
s.t.
72
Jasper Bovenhuis
Philips
s.t.
73
Sonny Colbrelli
Strava
s.t.
74
Tom Scully
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
75
Baptiste Planckaert
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
76
Marco Canola
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
77
John-Lee Augustyn
Project: Africa
s.t.
78
Dietmar Mehr-Wenige
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
79
Genki Yamamoto
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
80
Juan Van Heerden
Project: Africa
s.t.
81
Roger Kluge
Strava
s.t.
82
Martin Weiss
Team Europcar
s.t.
83
Maani Altanzul
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
84
Martin Mahdar
Team Europcar
s.t.
85
Simone Consonni
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
86
Robinson Steven Ruiz
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
87
Pit Schlechter
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
88
Thibaut Pinot
Project: Africa
s.t.
89
Wen Hao Li
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
90
Daniele Dall'Oste
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
91
Faycal Hamza
Project: Africa
s.t.
92
Odd Christian Eiking
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
93
Michael Vink
Team Europcar
s.t.
94
Sascha Weber
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
95
Metkel Kiflay
Project: Africa
s.t.
96
Remco Te Brake
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
97
Sandis Eislers
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
98
Daniel Oss
Strava
s.t.
99
Daniele Ratto
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
100
Samuel Coronel
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
101
Youcef Reguigui
Project: Africa
s.t.
102
Jan Oelerich
Strava
s.t.
103
Simon Pellaud
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
104
Carlo Noia
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
105
Greg Van Avermaet
Strava
s.t.
106
Manuel Betilson
Project: Africa
s.t.
107
Marc Hirschi
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
108
Michael Schwarzmann
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
109
Christoph Taubel
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
110
Sean Downey
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
111
Jacques Janse van Rensburg
Team Europcar
s.t.
112
Fabian Lienhard
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
113
Manuel Stocker
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
114
Kilian Frankiny
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
115
Leonardo Basso
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
116
Nipuna Shira Manamalage
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
117
Ethan Hayter
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
118
Eoin McCarthy
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
119
Philip Lindau
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
120
Narankhuu Baterdene
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
121
Issiaka Cisse
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
122
Magnus Cort Nielsen
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
123
Freddy Cruz
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
124
Andrea Palini
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
125
Luka Pibernik
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
126
Luka Mezgec
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
127
Aimiliano Vila
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
128
Daniel Hoelgaard
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
129
Pavel Kelemen
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
130
Alexandros Agrotis
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
131
Steele Von Hoff
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
132
Andre Steensen
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
133
Andrea Pasqualon
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
134
Heiko Redecker
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
135
Jakob Rathe
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
136
Geraint Thomas
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
137
Fabien Taillefour
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
138
Andrea Enrico Maccagli
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
139
Sascha Modolo
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
140
Aksel Nommela
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
141
Noah Granigan
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
142
Arturs Belevics
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
143
Adam Petrie-Armstrong
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
144
Mateo Frankovic
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
145
Tesfay Abraha
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
146
James Oram
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
147
Zeke Mostov
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
148
Tesfom Okbamariam
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
149
Kristofer Gunnlaugsson
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
150
Houcaine El Sabbahi
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
151
Bilguunjargal Erdenebat
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
152
Andreas Kron
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
153
Steven Kalf
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
154
Mathias Norsgaard
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
155
Bob Schoonbroodt
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
156
El Mehdi Chokri
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
157
Luc Wirtgen
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
158
Brandon McNulty
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
159
Kristjan Koren
Team Europcar
s.t.
160
Mohamed Shawal Anuar Aziz
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
161
Matic Veber
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
Trial 3:
6 km to go and AKA is just sitting this one out. He's towards the back of the pack and not making any moves.
Messy sprint being led out by Bralirwa. Bertilsson is the Carlsberg rider. Seems he was the rider of choice this time.
Carsi sweeps this scenario with another victory over Keough and Lavoine. Reinhardt doesn't really try this time and gets 17th.
AKA doesn't even leave the saddle. 93rd place.
Results:
Spoiler
Rank
Name
Team
Time
1
Mustafa Carsi
Nordica - Enel
3h43'19
2
Luke Keough
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
3
Anthony Lavoine
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
4
Matteo Pelucchi
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
5
Rüdiger Selig
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
6
Nacer Bouhanni
Strava
s.t.
7
Mohamed Harrif Salleh
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
8
Mikhail Ignatiev
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
9
Wouter Wippert
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
10
Christian Bertilsson
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
11
Rudy Barbier
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
12
Gasper Katrasnik
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
13
Jerome Baugnies
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
14
Soufiane Haddi
Project: Africa
s.t.
15
Hakon Frengstad Berger
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
16
Alain Quispe
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
17
Theo Reinhardt
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
18
Sonomtseren Delgerbayar
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
19
Juan Jose Lobato del Valle
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
20
Davide Cimolai
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
21
Benedikt Mundle
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
22
Christian Ranneries
Team Europcar
s.t.
23
Vyacheslav Kuznetsov
Strava
s.t.
24
Janis Dakteris
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
25
Tom Scully
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
26
Jakob Rathe
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
27
Nikolas Maes
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
28
Oliver Naesen
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
29
Sam Bennett
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
30
Pit Schlechter
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
31
Geert Van der Sanden
Philips
s.t.
32
Maris Bogdanovics
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
33
Martin Mahdar
Team Europcar
s.t.
34
William Connolly
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
35
Nicola Boem
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
36
Daniel Schorn
Team Europcar
s.t.
37
Wen Hao Li
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
38
Michel Kreder
Philips
s.t.
39
Travis Meyer
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
40
Emil Andersson
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
41
Christopher Juul-Jensen
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
42
Bert Van Lerberghe
Philips
s.t.
43
Ben King
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
44
Jakub Skala
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
45
Mateo Frankovic
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
46
Baptiste Planckaert
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
47
Michael Vink
Team Europcar
s.t.
48
Alexey Tsatevich
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
49
Igor Boev
Philips
s.t.
50
Jasper Bovenhuis
Philips
s.t.
51
Kristofer Gunnlaugsson
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
52
Manuel Stocker
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
53
Jan Ghyselinck
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
54
Zeke Mostov
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
55
Fabien Taillefour
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
56
Sean Downey
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
57
Carlos Alexandre Manarelli
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
58
Sandis Eislers
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
59
Juan Van Heerden
Project: Africa
s.t.
60
Gihan Pushpakumara
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
61
Faycal Hamza
Project: Africa
s.t.
62
Tomas Paprstka
Philips
s.t.
63
Thibaut Pinot
Project: Africa
s.t.
64
John-Lee Augustyn
Project: Africa
s.t.
65
Mathias Norsgaard
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
66
Fabian Lienhard
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
67
Issiaka Cisse
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
68
Romeo Quicibal
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
69
Thanawut Sanikwathi
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
70
Felix English
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
71
Leonardo Basso
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
72
Alexander Krieger
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
73
Youcef Reguigui
Project: Africa
s.t.
74
Roger Kluge
Strava
s.t.
75
Kristian Sbaragli
Strava
s.t.
76
Thomas Vedel Kvist
Team Europcar
s.t.
77
Daniel Oss
Strava
s.t.
78
Adam Petrie-Armstrong
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
79
Arturs Belevics
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
80
Zhihui Jiang
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
81
Remco Te Brake
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
82
Marc Hirschi
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
83
Ramon Sinkeldam
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
84
Kilian Frankiny
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
85
Ismael Kip
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
86
Laurens De Vreese
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
87
Freddy Cruz
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
88
Jan Oelerich
Strava
s.t.
89
Robinson Steven Ruiz
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
90
Sascha Modolo
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
91
Carlo Noia
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
92
Philip Lindau
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
93
Asbjorn Kragh Andersen
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
94
Nico Keinath
Philips
s.t.
95
Lionel Coutinho
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
96
Daniel Hoelgaard
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
97
Aksel Nommela
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
98
Manuel Betilson
Project: Africa
s.t.
99
Mohamed Shawal Anuar Aziz
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
100
Odd Christian Eiking
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
101
Suleiman Kangangi
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
102
Kevin Feiereisen
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
103
Dietmar Mehr-Wenige
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
104
Olivier Le Gac
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
105
Eoin McCarthy
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
106
Samuel Coronel
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
107
Luka Pibernik
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
108
Genki Yamamoto
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
109
Maani Altanzul
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
110
Steele Von Hoff
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
111
Luka Mezgec
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
112
Maciej Ulanowski
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
113
Pedro Merino Criado
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
114
Sascha Weber
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
115
Daniele Ratto
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
116
Luc Wirtgen
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
117
Simon Pellaud
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
118
Davide Martinelli
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
119
Sonny Colbrelli
Strava
s.t.
120
Marco Guillen
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
121
Metkel Kiflay
Project: Africa
s.t.
122
Heiko Redecker
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
123
Ethan Hayter
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
124
James Oram
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
125
Greg Van Avermaet
Strava
s.t.
126
Brandon McNulty
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
127
Mikiel Habtom
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
128
Dylan Page
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
129
Tesfay Abraha
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
130
Martin Weiss
Team Europcar
s.t.
131
Bilguunjargal Erdenebat
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
132
Andrea Enrico Maccagli
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
133
Noah Granigan
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
134
Nipuna Shira Manamalage
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
135
Narankhuu Baterdene
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
136
Tesfom Okbamariam
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
137
Geraint Thomas
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
138
Alexandros Agrotis
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
139
Marco Canola
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
140
Andrea Palini
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
141
Bob Schoonbroodt
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
142
Magnus Cort Nielsen
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
143
Michael Schwarzmann
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
144
Erik Nordsaeter Resell
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
145
Aimiliano Vila
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
146
Steven Kalf
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
147
Pavel Kelemen
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
148
El Mehdi Chokri
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
149
Andreas Kron
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
150
Daniele Dall'Oste
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
151
Christoph Taubel
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
152
Kristjan Koren
Team Europcar
s.t.
153
Daniel Thorsen
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
154
Simone Consonni
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
155
Jacques Janse van Rensburg
Team Europcar
s.t.
156
Houcaine El Sabbahi
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
157
Andrea Pasqualon
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
158
Andre Steensen
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
159
Tom Dumoulin
Philips
s.t.
160
Matic Veber
Sotto il sole di Riccione
+ 4'28
161
Simone Petilli
Campari Asahi Procycling
+ 6'43
Scenario 4: AKA at 85/81 Spr/Acc
At this point I just wanted to have some fun. I wondered what would happen if we put AKA at normal stats, then increased both his spr/acc by 4 to max out his sprint. So same difference as usual, but absolutely dwarfing stats of all competitors.
AKA listed as the best rider for the first time.
Carlsberg and Guave are the top teams in terms of numbers nearing 5 km left.
Guave, Carlsberg, and Bralirwa all set up cleanly to start the sprint.
Everyone launches around the same time, and it's just a normal drag race. A bunch of guys swarm AKA, but he's able to win by half a bike length. Carsi finally humbled, finishing 8th.
Result:
Spoiler
Rank
Name
Team
Time
1
Asbjorn Kragh Andersen
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
3h49'35
2
Matteo Pelucchi
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
3
Rüdiger Selig
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
4
Lionel Coutinho
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
5
Luke Keough
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
6
Theo Reinhardt
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
7
Mohamed Harrif Salleh
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
8
Mustafa Carsi
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
9
Nacer Bouhanni
Strava
s.t.
10
Heiko Redecker
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
11
Marco Guillen
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
12
Christian Bertilsson
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
13
Genki Yamamoto
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
14
Geert Van der Sanden
Philips
s.t.
15
William Connolly
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
16
Alain Quispe
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
17
Gasper Katrasnik
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
18
Mikhail Ignatiev
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
19
Benedikt Mundle
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
20
Nikolas Maes
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
21
Wouter Wippert
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
22
Sonomtseren Delgerbayar
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
23
Dylan Page
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
24
Sandis Eislers
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
25
Christian Ranneries
Team Europcar
s.t.
26
Travis Meyer
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
27
Mikiel Habtom
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
28
Oliver Naesen
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
29
Tomas Paprstka
Philips
s.t.
30
Gihan Pushpakumara
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
31
Jerome Baugnies
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
32
Kevin Feiereisen
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
33
Anthony Lavoine
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
34
Maris Bogdanovics
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
35
Alexander Krieger
Tryg - Ritter Sport
s.t.
36
Juan Jose Lobato del Valle
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
37
Adam Petrie-Armstrong
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
38
Davide Cimolai
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
39
Vyacheslav Kuznetsov
Strava
s.t.
40
Christopher Juul-Jensen
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
41
Laurens De Vreese
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
42
Jan Ghyselinck
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
43
Jasper Bovenhuis
Philips
s.t.
44
Ben King
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
45
James Oram
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
46
Wen Hao Li
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
47
Tesfom Okbamariam
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
s.t.
48
Bert Van Lerberghe
Philips
s.t.
49
Sean Downey
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
50
Aimiliano Vila
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
51
Rudy Barbier
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
52
Nipuna Shira Manamalage
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
53
Ramon Sinkeldam
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
54
Eoin McCarthy
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
55
Zeke Mostov
McCormick Pro Cycling
s.t.
56
Robinson Steven Ruiz
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
57
Michel Kreder
Philips
s.t.
58
Daniel Thorsen
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
59
Tom Scully
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
60
Hakon Frengstad Berger
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
61
Daniel Schorn
Team Europcar
s.t.
62
Soufiane Haddi
Project: Africa
s.t.
63
Thomas Vedel Kvist
Team Europcar
s.t.
64
Fabien Taillefour
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
65
Kristjan Koren
Team Europcar
s.t.
66
Juan Van Heerden
Project: Africa
s.t.
67
Erik Nordsaeter Resell
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
68
Zhihui Jiang
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
69
Odd Christian Eiking
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
70
Pit Schlechter
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
71
Issiaka Cisse
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
72
Olivier Le Gac
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
73
Simon Pellaud
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
74
Thibaut Pinot
Project: Africa
s.t.
75
Sam Bennett
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
s.t.
76
Andrea Palini
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
77
Metkel Kiflay
Project: Africa
s.t.
78
Emil Andersson
Eddie Stobart
s.t.
79
Ethan Hayter
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
80
Faycal Hamza
Project: Africa
s.t.
81
Dietmar Mehr-Wenige
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
82
Youcef Reguigui
Project: Africa
s.t.
83
John-Lee Augustyn
Project: Africa
s.t.
84
Sascha Weber
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
85
Romeo Quicibal
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
86
Sascha Modolo
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
87
Arturs Belevics
Carlsberg - Danske Bank
s.t.
88
Kilian Frankiny
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
89
Kristian Sbaragli
Strava
s.t.
90
Christoph Taubel
Guave's Sunlight Cycling
s.t.
91
Mohamed Shawal Anuar Aziz
Sauber Petronas Racing
s.t.
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Daniele Ratto
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
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Simone Consonni
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
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Suleiman Kangangi
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
95
Roger Kluge
Strava
s.t.
96
Nicola Boem
Sotto il sole di Riccione
s.t.
97
Remco Te Brake
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
98
Daniel Oss
Strava
s.t.
99
Pedro Merino Criado
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
100
Jakub Skala
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
101
Michael Schwarzmann
Nordica - Enel
s.t.
102
Greg Van Avermaet
Strava
s.t.
103
Manuel Stocker
Centovalli - Fiat
s.t.
104
Igor Boev
Philips
s.t.
105
Andre Steensen
Trans Cycling Team
s.t.
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Carlos Alexandre Manarelli
Los Pollos Hermanos
s.t.
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Maani Altanzul
BNZ Cycling Team
s.t.
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Nico Keinath
Philips
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Manuel Betilson
Project: Africa
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Davide Martinelli
Nordica - Enel
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Jan Oelerich
Strava
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112
Maciej Ulanowski
Nordica - Enel
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113
Tom Dumoulin
Philips
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114
Ismael Kip
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
s.t.
115
Felix English
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
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Philip Lindau
Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
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117
Geraint Thomas
Trans Cycling Team
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118
Sonny Colbrelli
Strava
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119
Alexandros Agrotis
Nordica - Enel
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Daniel Hoelgaard
Tryg - Ritter Sport
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Pavel Kelemen
BNZ Cycling Team
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Aksel Nommela
Tryg - Ritter Sport
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Luka Mezgec
Trans Cycling Team
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Marco Canola
Sotto il sole di Riccione
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Luka Pibernik
Trans Cycling Team
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Samuel Coronel
Los Pollos Hermanos
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Bilguunjargal Erdenebat
BNZ Cycling Team
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Magnus Cort Nielsen
Tryg - Ritter Sport
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Marc Hirschi
Sauber Petronas Racing
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Daniele Dall'Oste
Sotto il sole di Riccione
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Tesfay Abraha
Trans Cycling Team
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Steele Von Hoff
BNZ Cycling Team
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Jakob Rathe
McCormick Pro Cycling
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El Mehdi Chokri
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
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Narankhuu Baterdene
BNZ Cycling Team
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Houcaine El Sabbahi
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
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Martin Mahdar
Team Europcar
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Leonardo Basso
Centovalli - Fiat
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Martin Weiss
Team Europcar
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Fabian Lienhard
Centovalli - Fiat
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Andreas Kron
Tryg - Ritter Sport
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Bob Schoonbroodt
Bralirwa - Stevens Bikes
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Jacques Janse van Rensburg
Team Europcar
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Andrea Pasqualon
Sotto il sole di Riccione
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Mathias Norsgaard
Tryg - Ritter Sport
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Steven Kalf
Tryg - Ritter Sport
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Luc Wirtgen
McCormick Pro Cycling
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Michael Vink
Team Europcar
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Brandon McNulty
McCormick Pro Cycling
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Andrea Enrico Maccagli
Sotto il sole di Riccione
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Noah Granigan
McCormick Pro Cycling
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Kristofer Gunnlaugsson
McCormick Pro Cycling
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Matic Veber
Sotto il sole di Riccione
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Baptiste Planckaert
Carrefour - ESPN
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Thanawut Sanikwathi
Carrefour - ESPN
s.t.
156
Alexey Tsatevich
Carrefour - ESPN
+ 4'42
157
Carlo Noia
Sauber Petronas Racing
+ 5'15
158
Mateo Frankovic
McCormick Pro Cycling
+ 5'49
159
Janis Dakteris
Carrefour - ESPN
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Simone Petilli
Campari Asahi Procycling
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161
Freddy Cruz
Glanbia Foods Cycling Project
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Conclusions
So I guess these trials prove that there's no cookie cutter role preventing guys like AKA or Ingus Eislers from sprinting all the time, at least based on the ratios of their flat, sprint, and acceleration. The results in all 3 scenarios were very similar for AKA. Minor placings in one trial, but doesn't compete at all in the other two. Stat changes seemed to have little to no effect on the outcome.
In 9 trials, AKA had one top 5 in the very first race, and two lower top 10's. Other than that, he was outside the top 20 every time. Reinhardt was pretty routinely in the top 5-10. Carsi absolutely dominated for the most part, and other guys rotated through the top 5.
At this point then, I guess the only thing I discovered is that there's just no way to salvage a guy like AKA at this point. The game doesn't like him, regardless of his main stat makeup. High acceleration guys generally seem to be prioritized, but having equal sprint and acceleration alone does not make him act as a real sprinter.
On the bright side, some leadouts did work well, though surprising often with several riders lacking in stats like resistance.
Edited by baseballlover312 on 12-04-2021 19:30
Just wondering something here but if you tried to start a career with the MG DB, I think the team selection screen usually says what rider type a rider has. I dont think MG db sets these, so the type that comes up automatically may show what type he's seen as. If its indeed barouder, then perhaps that is the issue.
Could you try experiments where AKA is set as a sprinter (definitively) in the db for test purposes and see if that changes anything?
I think being able to set our "climbers" as "stage racers" and barouders as "sprinters" in the off-season may actually help some of our issues, although its pure speculation at this point.
valverde321 wrote:
Just wondering something here but if you tried to start a career with the MG DB, I think the team selection screen usually says what rider type a rider has. I dont think MG db sets these, so the type that comes up automatically may show what type he's seen as. If its indeed barouder, then perhaps that is the issue.
Could you try experiments where AKA is set as a sprinter (definitively) in the db for test purposes and see if that changes anything?
I think being able to set our "climbers" as "stage racers" and barouders as "sprinters" in the off-season may actually help some of our issues, although its pure speculation at this point.
Just tried this. AKA is indeed judged to be a sprinter by PCM, although there were some other interesting distinctions (e.g. Warbasse as a climber, not stage racer).
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@SotD - I report mostly on PT but obviously follow CT so I have a pretty good view on both. I think Pro Tour spints are better and less weird because (1) there are far less sprinters and their stats are more spread and (2) There aren't that many sprinter only GC races. So I think if you only follow mostly PT you get a somewhat rosier view.
@nemolito - like your one stage at a time idea and agree it wouldn't be a big deal and should fix the problem. Don't love the other idea. We probably shouldn't call it the Yellow Jersey curse as that does make it sound like a meme. Perhaps "Riding as GC rider" problem, although that is a mouthful. Also really agree there should be no KOM or reduced KOM points in the sprint focused races, feels like undeserved points given at random.
@bbl - my diagnosis:
Trial 1: AKA rides as rouler with Bertillsson as sprinter. In at least one trial Bertilsson gets a top 10, but mostly he isn't good enough so he doesn't get results. Keough has similar outcomes - some top tens and some no shows.
Trial 2: AKA is now your sprinter. But ACC matters to the game, So he isn't a very good sprinter, in game terms, so in a stacked field he doesn't sprint. In the actual Ras neither Keough or Bennet or Reinhardt sprinted once so not surprised he doesn't sprint in this field with those stats. I think the game sees an 81/77 sprinter as similar to an 77/81 sprinter whereas Mangame players tend to view the former as much better than the latter. I think the game views them both as 79ish and in this field those guys only get to sprint occasionally.
Trial 3: AKA is back to being a rouleur with Bertilssion as sprinter (he gets 1 top 10).
Trial 4: His sprint stats are now good enough to get him treated as a sprinter.
So I think you're right that designation as a rouluer depends on a combination of FL/RS/ST/SP/AC - I believe it also looks at the presence of other riders. I would be interested in Trial 3 with AKA and nobody else anything like a sprinter in your team. To see if he sprints (leadout will be bad). If he does at least we know that if you avoid getting a rider on your team who could be the sprinter the potential rouler will be treated as a sprinter (assuming he qualifies as one)
Another alternative would be run the test with only 5-8 teams with sprinters and fill the rest with generic riders - recognize this would require a lot more work to generate. But this would separate the rouleur problem from the too many sprinters problem.
The game definitely values ACC to some degree, I correlated last years results with stats and came up about 70/30 SP and ACC before considering other stats.
Also, Stamina definitely matters in the selection of a rouler even if the race is 100k.
Which is why Vanbilsen attacks while Bonifazio does nothing. My suspicion is Bonifazio isn't good enough to sprint when you have a leading rouleur, as the team backs the rouler instead. Although not sure the cut point - in the TDF Van der Lijke still sprinted although Holloway rode as a rouleur. But this may vary in tours versus classics.
I agree mostly with what Ulrich wrote. Also I think there is a clear distinction with how the AI handles sprints in a stage race and in a one day race.
If the rouleur role is given to a rider in a stage race, I can hardly remember to see that rider perform late attacks. So he is pretty much useless in sprinter stage races. Why that rider wouldn't be used as a leadout instead? I suspect that the rouleur is either favoured or on equal footing to a sprinter and therefore just rides his own race. Which means he does nothing in this case.
Meanwhile in one day races late attacks come from riders that I imagine get the rouleur role, they attack quite frequently. They position themselves similar to sprinters and either attack or simply sprint like others. In my observation of my own team in these races, I've had 2 sprinters Boeckmans and Saber. On two occasions Saber was in the rouleur role and the other time he was a leadout man. So the 80/82 rider takes prioritity over the 81/79 rider, meaning that ACC is a very important stat. It also shows that the double leadership between a rouleur and sprinter can work. One attacks and the other sprints. But only one day races seem to allow these late attacks.
On the ACC point, a great example is Reinhardt. He has only 79 spr, but has been performing like a top 5 sprinter this year, against PCT competition. I'm not sure any other 79 sprinter has done much in those stacked fields, but with 84 ACC he probably get treated like an 81/82 rider, which would make him one of the best in PCT. While ACC I think has shown to be a very important stat for sprinting, the AI also seems to weigh it quite heavily when detemining who gets sprinting priority.
But like I mentioned in one of my previous posts where I detailed the lopsided scoring of sprinters in the PCT this year. When the startlist is overflowing with quality sprinters in most races, the results will end up being even more random than they should be.
Thanks for the elaboration Nemolito and Ulrich. That's more something even I can understand
If it really isn't a big issue to cut the stages then that seems like a very smart way about it. But isn't the flat oneday races often ridden slightly different with rouleurs going all out more often than in a flat stage in a stagerace? Just so we don't end up messing with the points mechanics too much.
OlegTinkov wrote:
PCM is never going to be perfect and the Mangame makes it even harder for PCM AI. But in the end instead of trying to fix everything by micro management, I'm in the just deal with it, sometimes crazy results are fun team.
Don't get me wrong if they are easy fixes for some problems I'm all in but just not overdo it is my advise.
I agree 100%. And I think what I proposed is one of those possible easy fixes for the yellow jersey problem.
@SotD: It remains to be seen how rouleurs would act if you only select one stage at a time. If it is the same, then no problem I think. If it is actually different and we see more rouleur attacks: also no problem I think But if this little fix would be implemented, that's a thing that can easily be tested quite quickly so people with rouleurs could know a bit better whether it is worth (for them) to send their rouleurs to sprinter stage races.
Of course, for a race starting with two flat stages, there is no such fix. You could switch a second and third stage for example on some occasions, but changing all of those would also be overdoing it I think, sometimes you just have got to embrace the randomness I guess.
Of course, like I said before, everything about that yellow jersey problem might not "count" anymore on other versions. But we'll burn that bridge when we get there
Also, as said above, acceleration indeed seems incredibly important in sprints
Even though I still need to fully read through the latest posts, I am totally against changing the kind of racing in stage races and classics towards sprint stages in stage races as individual classics.
It might be doable with some excel files to later re-arrange the GC outcome but this always comes with extra work. Not only the excel work afterwards but also in the file transfer, DB settings, organization. And imo this is something where extra work must be reduced more than extended.
Right now there are several active reporters or better said, some reporters doing the work of 2-3 people with massive amount of reporting. Those really keep the game running. It does not necessarily mean that those will be able to do so in the future, so we shouldn`t plan to add some more work.
Organization wise the off seasons are hard to handle really and were last year mainly done by 3-4 managers and it`s pretty certrain that the following off seasons will need a lot more people to help out big time to come even close to the pace we used to have.
I agree that certrain things must be looked at AI wise and going to another game might be best (even though it`s not fully secured as far as I read if PCM19 and/or PCM20 are big improvements AI wise). In addition OVL stat adjustment, new calendar as usual, renewals, new riders are all time consuming things where help will be needed for sure as I won`t be able to do as much as in the past years but I know to really think things through, work into those kind of things is needed.
OVL adjustments usually need a season to "check" such as this year when things were made, over the season you see problems, which usually can be adjusted the year after to improve further. Now with a game change very likely/possible, last years OVL adjustment is basically needed to be re-done fully with another year of check due to a different game version. This is something where I will need help, in especially as I personally am not very well familiar with PCM19/20 and likely would make mistakes when considering different rider types. In especially as the MG DB is that big, that it`s not just 8-12 rider types but lots of combined riders such as Demare/Van Stayen/Kump, which are always hard to rate without being too much into one side or even riders that take profit from the game AI such as weirdos like high mo/low hi or midlevel mo/hi/tt kind of riders. Last year showed already that by "simple" formulas as 4-5 years ago you can`t make it fair enough for all kind of riders, so that a lot of extra formulas were needed to adjust specific stat combinations, which would need to be further adjusted to get some more things a bit more right, e.g. the Lopez/Beltran issue with OVL/stat comparison.
Having a OVL based on game performances/scored points might be an idea, which though would need time and most important is something incredibly difficult in years of a game change as things might change heavily and would make the following season very unfair here and there.
Similar it would be almost impossible to make for riders that were FAs or badly planned the year before, so not really something that can be added to the MG I think.
That said, last years formulas for over/underperformances already took note to this issue and fixed it here and there.
@SotD - I report mostly on PT but obviously follow CT so I have a pretty good view on both. I think Pro Tour spints are better and less weird because (1) there are far less sprinters and their stats are more spread and (2) There aren't that many sprinter only GC races. So I think if you only follow mostly PT you get a somewhat rosier view.
To be fair, this does point to the fact that the yellow jersey problem is at best another expression of how weird and random sprints especially at CT level are anyway. If it was an inherent problem, you'd see it at the PT level, too. Arguably, the evidence is pretty significant at CT level, but to say that there are more such random occurences in an environment that is in and of itself more random and also has more opportunities to spit out these random results is a bit circular imo. Like, even in bbl's tests, which are one stage settings, someone like Reinhardt who has been easily the most consistent sprinter this season at times ends up outside of the Top 10, and the riders that were hit with the yellow jersey curse sometimes were guys like Ismael Kip or Lobato del Valle, who I've not noticed as super reliable overall.
I'll do some testing later this week with sprint races one stage at a time, both to see if sprinters are more reliable and to get a feel for how much extra work it would be to put everything together (I tend to agree with roturn that it'll be a bit more than just 1 minute of Excel stuff, but we'll see).
However, I do think that even if we get a bit more realistic results, it should be noted that we give up some other pieces of realism. Like never seeing any rider in any leader shirt at all. And the KoM thing was mentioned already, but in my opinion, that's one of the random things we should embrace the most. The couple of random KoM jerseys my Rwandan neo-pros got this year were some of my greatest moments and to just wave them away saying they're random anyway, teams shouldn't count on those points, just doesn't sit right with me.
Like I said earlier, obviously sprint AI is very flawed in general on pcm18 (don't know about other versions), but according to me the yellow jersey problem is a problem on itself. So to conclude what I think about it (you won't hear me about it anymore, as I don't think I have anything else to add except for what i will say in the next bullet points - but of course if someone doesn't understand what I meant I'll gladly try to explain it):
- If you say it will take a lot of time for one of those solutions I proposed to implement, I don't agree. There can be found quick ways, such as simply giving top ten the points in green they get awarded now, and then have some kind of ranking quite quickly and accurately (for example)
- If you say it would be a shame to implement solution #1 and therefore "losing" KoM, I definitely understand you. But for me personally, overcoming that stupid problem of the GC lead is more important - as there would only be no KoM in like those four/five stage races. But that's a personal thought of course, and as I just said I definitely understand how those few random KoM's can mean a lot to some people (including me, who's hoping for those points in sprinter stage races )
- If you say there will still be random sprints and stupid results, of course I agree. But just the fact that you know your/a sprinter will not sprint because of leading the GC is reason enough for me personally to try to find a rather easy change. I personally would care more about having a chance at a decent sprint from my sprinter when I know he's leading the GC virtually than see him wearing the yellow jersey and know he will not give a flying fuck.
- I don't agree that it doesn't happen in PT, as I have included in my previous post, also for the reason there are less chances of it happening because of fewer two flat stages after each other/sprint stage races.
Opinions differ, and if most of you don't feel the same about solving the problem as I do then so be it, I won't hold any grudge against anyone Like I said, just trying to help, as - in addition to other AI problems - that "solvable" problem has made "reporter-me" quite annoyed several times
To be clear, I was selecting a single GT for my tests every time, and there were no rouleur attacks in the second half of the race in any trial, so I don't think that would fix anything anyway. It seems to be the same as a full stage race's AI.
Indeed, it looks like acceleration is as important if not more than sprint in this version. I don't think that in itself is a problem, it's just that we were told ACC would matter less before we started using PCM 18 (something which has played out on every other terrain). Now you may not even sprint despite having the highest sprint stat in the peloton.
The weird thing to me is the the game:
1.) Still generates these guys as sprinters in career
2.) Still places them as sprinters on the favorites list
So if they're acting as rouleur's, the game is doing it secretly - and randomly. As Ulrich pointed out, it seems AKA went from being a rouleur to a sprinter between trials of the exact same scenario, with the same stats and startlist. There was no correlation at all.
I can do a quick stage race test of the yellow jersey curse later today if I have time.
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The ACC is definately playing a smaller part in the game than with PCM 15, but it may not be the scenario for sprinters indeed. But the ACC does play a part in the finale of other races aswell I think. That would explain why Lecuisinier is winning difficult HI finishes despite having 75HI. He does have a pretty solid ACC, much like Herklotz (Also last year before the training). Same basically applies for Koretzky who isn't a top puncheur, but have a very high ACC. This could be one of the explanations for why De Bie and Bakelants isn't performing all that well. They don't have bad ACC, but compared to the top puncheurs around them - they do.
Riders like Phinney and Lecuisinier win way more than Madrazo, which could again be something regarding the ACC. An issue riders like Kritskiy, Tenorio and to a part Haig also suffers a bit from. All of which get good GC results, but hardly enough stage succes compared to how strong they are.
Looking at the sprints (I have seen), riders like Lo Cicero, Guerao, Vanderbiest, Kristoff, Avelino does tend to perform worse than Groenewegen, Manninen, Boeckmans, Guardini or even Carsi (from time to time).
I am aware that other things play a huge role - much like random positioning, random trainsucces, random sprint start etc., but over the course of a season there might be some truth to it.
Looking at the top 15 sprinters in the PT (cleared of van Stayen, Demare, Bewley etc.)
1 John Degenkolb 84SPR 81ACC
2 Eduard Grosu 83 SPR 80ACC
3 Bryan Coquard 84SPR 83ACC
4 Peter Kennaugh 82SPR 81ACC
5 Dan Holloway 79SPR 81ACC
6 Dylan Groenewegen 82SPR 81ACC
7 Jonas Ahlstrand 83SPR 82ACC
8 Leigh Howard 82SPR 79ACC
9 Sam Harrison 78SPR 81ACC
10 Hsuan Ping Hsu 79SPR 79ACC
11 Tomohiro Hayakawa 79SPR 79ACC
12 Artem Samolenkov 81SPR 79ACC
13 Davide Appolonio 81SPR 78ACC
14 Emiliano Contreras 78SPR 80ACC
15 Ingus Eislers 80SPR 76ACC
At PT level there are 19 sprinters with 80+SPR. Out of those 6 have also got 80+ACC. You find these sprinters all in top 7 with only Dan Holloway mixing it with his 79SPR 81ACC.
Of the 13 remaining 80+ SPR riders with 79 or less in ACC only 4 find themselves in the top 15. Those sprinters seem to mix it up fairly evenly with riders at 78-79SPR but with 79+ ACC. Riders like Romain Vanderbiest 82SPR 77ACC, Danny van Poppel 81SPR, 78ACC, Sondre Holst Enger 81SPR 78ACC, Giacomo Nizzolo 80SPR 79ACC, Moreno Moser 80SPR 79ACC, Cameron Meyer 80SPR 76ACC and Matthew Goss 80SPR 75ACC isn't on the list, while there is room for the likes of Holloway, Harrison and Contreras instead.
Only 2 riders with less than 79ACC have made it to the list:
13 Davide Appolonio 78ACC
15 Ingus Eislers 76ACC
Obviously it isn't the entire truth as it also revolves around planning and luck, but the numbers seem pretty evensided to me... I have no clue if this is also the case in the lower divisions, but I would expect it to be somewhat true. So in that regard sprint results (over a season) haven't changed drastically from PCM 15. Only the leadouts and consistency seem to be very different.
From the vote thread - if we switch to PCM20, there will need to be something done about ridiculous breakaways. From just playing, even with my own input, some breaks get 20+ minute gaps and finish so far ahead that GC or classic is easily won by the group itself. And it wasn't a one time thing, but also it's not too common an occurance, but it does happen. I figure if MG DB would also have an issue with it, it's probably only fixable by reporters using their own judgement and redoing the stage
But if this little fix would be implemented, that's a thing that can easily be tested quite quickly so people with rouleurs could know a bit better whether it is worth (for them) to send their rouleurs to sprinter stage races. 
