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| ryant |
Posted on 15-07-2013 17:17
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dtbutterfield wrote:
Quintana stuck with him? and he attacks for fun is he not doping aswell ? if someone from youre country was to be winning the tour, say contador from Spain or Mollema/Gesink/Ten Dam from Holland then would you say that they would dope aswell ?
Santambrogio doped in the Giro and Nibali kept with him up the steep climbs so did he not dope aswell ? see what youre saying is ludicrous,
That Santambrogio bit is interesting, we knew he doped as he didnt have any big results to justify his performance while Nibali did, and we all know of a certain (kenyan) climber that manages to drop everyone while I can't remember of a single decent result before the 2011 Vuelta... hmmm...
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 15-07-2013 17:19
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issoisso wrote:
News on the drug GAS6 that Thomas Frei mentioned when talking about Froome.
It's undetectable and has the same effect as EPO. It was developed by a belgian university team led by......Leinders.
EDIT: Belgian not dutch. Duh.
Any source for that?
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 15-07-2013 17:19
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Oh and Bertie believes the Froomedawg is clean:
https://www.espn.co.uk/cycling/sport/s...21575.html
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| Ithaca |
Posted on 15-07-2013 17:21
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bibb229 wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
cio93 wrote:
Haha, either one guy created lots of accounts over the last few years and decided to use all of them at once, or there are lots of morons in the UK 
Try living here... I wish isso would spend his days on the Guardian comments section. And still nobody would believe him.
Cheers for your input moron
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| IncredibleIan |
Posted on 15-07-2013 17:36
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Before the 2011 Vuelta, Froome had always been performing under par.
He was ill between the ages of about 20 to 25/26 with a uncommon disease which affected his breathing. (Cant remember what its called but there are documentation of it)
He overcame the disease in 2010/early 2011 so he could then train better, increasing his speed in the mountains and the time trials so when he was given a leaders role for the first time in a grand tour!!! He came 2nd. Previously he had always been a domestique so was unable to show what he was capable of.
He was okay in the vuelta to get 2nd but Cobo Acebo who won isnt an awesome climber and that vuelta was fairly bad with not many big names riding except wiggo coming back from injury.
In the tour 2012 he was improving and now he is reaching his peak.
Froome will not win lots more tours as he is at his peak now but the tours he will win will not be stripped off him because he has not doped.
His lead looks as if he has doped.
But it is because froome has pushed himself against dopers so when the field is clean he can actually win by minutes!
Also Froome has went from nobody to tdf2013 contender because cycling has got cleaner so everyone who was beating him have stopped taking drugs and beating him so he can actually beat them now.
If cycling wasnt cleaner now he would probably not be leading |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 15-07-2013 17:53
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IncredibleIan wrote:
If cycling wasnt cleaner now he would probably not be leading
This is the only bit i'm going to reply you on.
If Froome's success is a result of a cleaner sport, how come he is beating times set by Armstrong, Ullrich and similiar riders?
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| miggi133 |
Posted on 15-07-2013 17:56
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IncredibleIan wrote:
But it is because froome has pushed himself against dopers so when the field is clean he can actually win by minutes!
Also Froome has went from nobody to tdf2013 contender because cycling has got cleaner so everyone who was beating him have stopped taking drugs and beating him so he can actually beat them now.
If cycling wasnt cleaner now he would probably not be leading
Do you have anything to back this up? Exept for your wild dreams...
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 15-07-2013 17:56
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IncredibleIan wrote:
Before the 2011 Vuelta, Froome had always been performing under par.
He was ill between the ages of about 20 to 25/26 with a uncommon disease which affected his breathing. (Cant remember what its called but there are documentation of it)
He overcame the disease in 2010/early 2011 so he could then train better, increasing his speed in the mountains and the time trials so when he was given a leaders role for the first time in a grand tour!!! He came 2nd. Previously he had always been a domestique so was unable to show what he was capable of.
He was okay in the vuelta to get 2nd but Cobo Acebo who won isnt an awesome climber and that vuelta was fairly bad with not many big names riding except wiggo coming back from injury.
In the tour 2012 he was improving and now he is reaching his peak.
Froome will not win lots more tours as he is at his peak now but the tours he will win will not be stripped off him because he has not doped.
His lead looks as if he has doped.
But it is because froome has pushed himself against dopers so when the field is clean he can actually win by minutes!
Also Froome has went from nobody to tdf2013 contender because cycling has got cleaner so everyone who was beating him have stopped taking drugs and beating him so he can actually beat them now.
If cycling wasnt cleaner now he would probably not be leading
Thank you that makes sense.
What do you do with the fact he climbs as fast when not faster as the best climber from the past decade (who were on heavy doping programs ?) ?
What do you do with the clean guy who beat Froome in the past but are totally random next to him nowadays ?
I thought he only got bilharzia in 2010 or 2011, and cured it mid-2011/early-2012. Yet he was a very random pro in a Pro Conti team before that date...
What if among his countless magic talents he had a genuine one consisting in being a super responder to something we can barely figure ?
You might think the level of that Vuelta was crap, but given the power outputs riders achieved there, it definitely wasn't. Cobo was just on something else. |
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| kubys |
Posted on 15-07-2013 17:56
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Waghlon wrote:
IncredibleIan wrote:
If cycling wasnt cleaner now he would probably not be leading
This is the only bit i'm going to reply you on.
If Froome's success is a result of a cleaner sport, how come he is beating times set by Armstrong, Ullrich and similiar riders?
Cause he's not human. Every photo is proof of this.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 15-07-2013 17:57
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IncredibleIan wrote:
Before the 2011 Vuelta, Froome had always been performing under par.
He was ill between the ages of about 20 to 25/26 with a uncommon disease which affected his breathing. (Cant remember what its called but there are documentation of it)
He overcame the disease in 2010/early 2011 so he could then train better, increasing his speed in the mountains and the time trials so when he was given a leaders role for the first time in a grand tour!!! He came 2nd. Previously he had always been a domestique so was unable to show what he was capable of.
He was okay in the vuelta to get 2nd but Cobo Acebo who won isnt an awesome climber and that vuelta was fairly bad with not many big names riding except wiggo coming back from injury.
In the tour 2012 he was improving and now he is reaching his peak.
Froome will not win lots more tours as he is at his peak now but the tours he will win will not be stripped off him because he has not doped.
His lead looks as if he has doped.
But it is because froome has pushed himself against dopers so when the field is clean he can actually win by minutes!
Also Froome has went from nobody to tdf2013 contender because cycling has got cleaner so everyone who was beating him have stopped taking drugs and beating him so he can actually beat them now.
If cycling wasnt cleaner now he would probably not be leading
Because one day, everyone decided to stop doping all at the same time? 
Yep, 2011 Vuelta had a lot of nobodies, like Nibali, Van den Broeck, Menchov (who was decent at the time), Mollema, Rodriguez, etc.
And if you'd like to know, Cobo was also very suspicious that Vuelta. There's a strong possibility he was doped when he won that too.
And also, Im fairly sure Wiggins was the team leader at the Vuelta, but Im not 100% sure. I recall Froome waiting on a climb to help Wiggins though.
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 15-07-2013 18:00
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valverde321 wrote:
And if you'd like to know, Cobo was also very suspicious that Vuelta. There's a strong possibility he was doped when he won that too.
Not "suspicious" as much as "walking positive" 
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And also, Im fairly sure Wiggins was the team leader at the Vuelta, but Im not 100% sure. I recall Froome waiting on a climb to help Wiggins though.
He was. Froome actually lost the leader's jersey (and in hindsight, the Vuelta) because he had to set the pace for Wiggins on the climb to Manzaneda.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 15-07-2013 18:00
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Wiggo was the team leader until one week to go or so. Then it became obvious Froome was stronger, but it was too late to do anything against Cobo.
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 15-07-2013 18:03
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IncredibleIan wrote:
Before the 2011 Vuelta, Froome had always been performing under par.
He was ill between the ages of about 20 to 25/26 with a uncommon disease which affected his breathing. (Cant remember what its called but there are documentation of it)
It was called Bilharzia and he contracted it during 2009 I think. Before he supposedly became ill, he had practically no results.
He was okay in the vuelta to get 2nd but Cobo Acebo who won isnt an awesome climber and that vuelta was fairly bad with not many big names riding except wiggo coming back from injury.
Because Menchov, Nibbles, Purito etc aren't big names
And 2011 Vuelta Cobo was one of the most obvious recent doped performances imo.
His lead looks as if he has doped.
It does indeed.
But it is because froome has pushed himself against dopers so when the field is clean he can actually win by minutes!
Umm how do you know the entire peloton has suddenly become clean compared to a few years ago?
Also Froome has went from nobody to tdf2013 contender because cycling has got cleaner so everyone who was beating him have stopped taking drugs and beating him so he can actually beat them now.
I highly doubt all the riders in this TdF, some of whom have quite dodgy pasts, just collectively decided to give up on the dope.
EDIT: Massively Zabel'd
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| roturn |
Posted on 15-07-2013 18:03
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IncredibleIan wrote:
Before the 2011 Vuelta, Froome had always been performing under par.
He was ill between the ages of about 20 to 25/26 with a uncommon disease which affected his breathing. (Cant remember what its called but there are documentation of it)
He overcame the disease in 2010/early 2011 so he could then train better, increasing his speed in the mountains and the time trials so when he was given a leaders role for the first time in a grand tour!!! He came 2nd. Previously he had always been a domestique so was unable to show what he was capable of.
He was okay in the vuelta to get 2nd but Cobo Acebo who won isnt an awesome climber and that vuelta was fairly bad with not many big names riding except wiggo coming back from injury.
In the tour 2012 he was improving and now he is reaching his peak.
Froome will not win lots more tours as he is at his peak now but the tours he will win will not be stripped off him because he has not doped.
His lead looks as if he has doped.
But it is because froome has pushed himself against dopers so when the field is clean he can actually win by minutes!
Also Froome has went from nobody to tdf2013 contender because cycling has got cleaner so everyone who was beating him have stopped taking drugs and beating him so he can actually beat them now.
If cycling wasnt cleaner now he would probably not be leading
5 years ago when I was less into cycling than today, I thought the same at the Tour...Then Kohl was tested positive.  |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 15-07-2013 18:06
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Stromeon wrote:
EDIT: Massively Zabel'd
That even counts as Rojas'ed actually |
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 15-07-2013 18:07
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Aquarius wrote:
Stromeon wrote:
EDIT: Massively Zabel'd
That even counts as Rojas'ed actually
I need to learn to type quicker
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| Tjoertszc |
Posted on 15-07-2013 18:07
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miggi133 wrote:
I just read something interesting in the german Newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine!
Paul Walsh, an Irish Journalist who was one of Armstrongs first and biggest critiques (as for doping in cycling in General) for those of you who dont know him, has been hired by sky and given full insights into the team at the beginning of the season...
Apparently, Walsh has only praise for Froome and is quoted to be "starting to finally believe in this race" (talking about this years Tour)...
Talk about controlling the media to cover up any suspicious activity...
Again it sounds like a conspiracy theory and my conclusion could very well be a longshot again... Same as with the Porte Issue.
Also, that Walsh is part of skys media team may not be news to some of you, but It surprised me and Im pretty sure it will be news to some oter people.
Yes, Walsh has spent 8 weeks with the Sky team, therefore the mainstream media uses him as a credible source (since he was the one to question Armstrong), when he says that he is certain that Sky is clean.
The big problem is that Walsh is chief sports writer at The Sunday Times, which is owned by Rupert Murdoch. Rupert Murdoch also owns Sky...
It is a huge conflict of interest, making Walsh' report worth nothing - but the mainstream media fail to realise this.
At the same time there is also (way too) little focus on Sky and their zero-tolerance policy towards doping. Last year they had Geert Leinders as team doctor; now as a result of the public attention they have hired another doping doctor as his replacement, Fabio Bartolucci.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 15-07-2013 18:13
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valverde321 wrote:
And if you'd like to know, Cobo was also very suspicious that Vuelta. There's a strong possibility he was doped when he won that too.
Cobo was clearly doping duh. Otherwise Froome would have been able to beat him. But it's hard for a clean rider to beat a dopehead
IncredibleIan wrote:
Previously he had always been a domestique so was unable to show what he was capable of.
You're right on. If the teams he rode for weren't full of top climbers and amazing stage - races, he would have had a chance to show what his capable of
IncredibleIan wrote:
he was given a leaders role for the first time in a grand tour!!!
Actually, no. Sky were really stupid that year. They didn't offer the leader's role to Froome in that Vuelta from day 1 and they also made the mistake not to offer him a new contract until that Vuelta. I mean, having such a talent in your team and almost let it slip out of your hands... what a poor management
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 15-07-2013 18:20
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IncredibleIan wrote:
Also Froome has went from nobody to tdf2013 contender because cycling has got cleaner so everyone who was beating him have stopped taking drugs and beating him so he can actually beat them now.
That's a very nice gesture from Contador, Schleck, Valverde and Rodriguez. They all stopped doping so Froome could win
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 15-07-2013 18:25
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