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National Championships 2021 Discussion
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| SotD |
Posted on 20-06-2022 15:19
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So - You know what? - Olesen have to be trained now!
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 20-06-2022 15:39
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Yes!!! 
Felt pretty confident in our chances at the Danish NC with Guldhammer and a mountain route, but you never know with the lack of selection in these routes. And indeed, it wasn't selective, so we could have gotten burnt if we didn't control the race.
Really happy to have the jersey back, and it couldn't have gone to a better guy. Olesen was a stag who bounced around a bit, and this was his first year maxed despite his age. He's been a really versatile domestique for us the last couple of seasons, and it will be awesome to see him wearing his national colors for us next year.
Thanks for the report cunego! And congrats to Grieg on an expected win for Wurtz.
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| ember |
Posted on 20-06-2022 16:08
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Wow, well done Olesen! Carlsberg definitely the expected winner, but Olesen not so much. Will be cool to see him wear the jersey  |
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 20-06-2022 19:13
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Congrats to all the winner so far!
The NCs already raced weren't really those where we fancied our chances, so not surprised we didn't get anything yet. However, Brunel in 9th in the French TT is definitely nothing to scoff at
Also, pretty logical winners so far - except for Danmark, probably. So it's good to see that the win at least went to the big favorite's team
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| Bushwackers |
Posted on 20-06-2022 20:00
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Sad I missed the deadline for nats this year but congrats to Generali on the Swiss win.
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| ivaneurope |
Posted on 20-06-2022 20:27
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Honestly, I could care less for the NC's this season. My best bet would be both races in the Kazakhstan National Championships.
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Posted on 22-11-2024 08:22
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 20-06-2022 20:41
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Well, with the UBS riders being absent, it was definitely much easier to do well in the Swiss NC. Nonetheless, a great race by the boys - but did it really have to be Lienhard? 
Ulrich Ulriksen wrote:
That Swiss NC jersey might make Lienhard a more popular figure in Jura offices than he was before today.
It actually mainly causes some headaches ^^ But yeah, maybe he deserves one more chance in CT?
The TT win by Mäder is a great one as well, as it means that our riders won both titles - Mäder is just out on loan with Generali. He probably wouldn't have beaten Dillier or even Küng, but as the Frenchman says "les absents ont toujours tort" (he who is absent is always in the wrong). Honestly thought that Stüssi would take both titles (maybe Frankiny the RR one), but I guess the numbers really made the difference here.
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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 20-06-2022 20:46
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Fabianski wrote:
Ulrich Ulriksen wrote:
That Swiss NC jersey might make Lienhard a more popular figure in Jura offices than he was before today.
It actually mainly causes some headaches ^^ But yeah, maybe he deserves one more chance in CT?
I almost wrote something about it making for harder decisions.
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| fintas |
Posted on 20-06-2022 23:52
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I have a question regarding the French championship, why didn't my rider participate in this race?
I know he wouldn't have any chance of winning but it's still weird.
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 21-06-2022 07:01
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fintas wrote:
I have a question regarding the French championship, why didn't my rider participate in this race?
I know he wouldn't have any chance of winning but it's still weird.
I guess you can find the answer here:
ivaneurope wrote:
On bigger nations with lots of nomminated riders had to be cut by rider strength in case of too many riders/teams. Therefore if a team had a single rider that was not made for the chosen terrain, there's a high chance to lose his NC spot in such case.
A 63Mo rider in a mountain race probably just wasn't good enough to make the cut.
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 21-06-2022 07:14
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That is correct. 32 teams nominated riders for the French championships, but only 24 teams are able to participate. France was the outliere though, otherwise only one or two teams each had to be removed from the championships of the Netherlands, Belgium and Italy. Like Fabianski quoted, they were always the riders with the lowest chances on the given terrain.
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| Nemolito |
Posted on 21-06-2022 07:34
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Stelly Robert was going the win the French NC, he just never got the chance 
Very happy with Beukeboom in Holland. Active with a late attack in the road race and overperforming in the time trial. Nice end to his LPH career
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 21-06-2022 07:54
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cunego59 wrote:
That is correct. 32 teams nominated riders for the French championships, but only 24 teams are able to participate. France was the outliere though, otherwise only one or two teams each had to be removed from the championships of the Netherlands, Belgium and Italy. Like Fabianski quoted, they were always the riders with the lowest chances on the given terrain.
Nemolito wrote:
Stelly Robert was going the win the French NC, he just never got the chance
Does that mean that the teams missing out on the RR will automatically miss out on the TT as well? Agree with Nemo that this isn't cool for Robert - although I don't agree that he was going to beat Paillot or Viennet
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 21-06-2022 08:07
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Making seperate starting fields for road race and time trial would have been somewhat complicated, so I decided against it, and in excluding riders, I focused on the road race because I figured that's where weak-ish riders were at least a little more likely to make an impact (so, keep the 70 climber rather than the 72 time trialist). I will admit though that Robert was an oversight and he should have been kept in because of his good time trialing. Still, like you said, it's incredibly unlikely that he would have actually had a chance to win, so I hope everybody can live with this
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| Nemolito |
Posted on 21-06-2022 08:18
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No worries, I was just making fun of Robert as a possible road race winner, I can definitely live with him not being in the time trial.
Spoiler Not including him in the road race, however, was the biggest mistake of your life.
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| roturn |
Posted on 21-06-2022 08:50
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Winning the NED NC is awesome. Not sure I ever did win the road one myself and only had it for once after trading Dekker I think?
Neither Boom nor Olivier or Groenewegen yet did have it in my time iirc. Dumoulin at least had the ITT once. |
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| whitejersey |
Posted on 21-06-2022 10:07
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Congrats Roturn and a lovely sprint from Vingerling!
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 21-06-2022 12:14
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Congrats Roturn! Satisfied with a top 10 in a flat race from Sinkeldam. Nice swan song for him before his decline. He's been very solid for us the last few years.
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| tastasol |
Posted on 21-06-2022 15:36
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Yes!!!
Felt pretty confident in our chances at the Danish NC with Guldhammer and a mountain route, but you never know with the lack of selection in these routes. And indeed, it wasn't selective, so we could have gotten burnt if we didn't control the race.
Really happy to have the jersey back, and it couldn't have gone to a better guy. Olesen was a stag who bounced around a bit, and this was his first year maxed despite his age. He's been a really versatile domestique for us the last couple of seasons, and it will be awesome to see him wearing his national colors for us next year.
Thanks for the report cunego! And congrats to Grieg on an expected win for Wurtz.
Thanks and congrats to you as well! After Würtz failed miserably in the ITT last year, it's good to see him finally (? I think this is his first NC win) get the jersey.
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| ember |
Posted on 21-06-2022 16:59
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Lammertink has been both great and disappointing this season. To see him claim such a dominant win in the Dutch TT and finish his season like this, is brilliant  |
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