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PCT predictions for lazy/busy wizards
Scorchio
Bushwackers wrote:

I don't think its right either, and Ollfardh in my heart I don't think you'll end up last :lol:


But the head says ..... Pfft :lol:
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AbhishekLFC
Croatia14 wrote:
AbhishekLFC wrote:
You also have Indosat twice Pfft

I think we are the ones projected to finish 20th Grin

Wrong again mate Grin
 
matt17br
Bushwackers wrote:
Chill out guys I'm not claiming to be Nostradamus. I just made a formula that I thought made some sense (which it seems it doesn't), did a little eyeballing, and gave a prediction. I did not put any personal bias into this, so don't take anything personally.

I don't think its right either, and Ollfardh in my heart I don't think you'll end up last :lol:

Fixed the Indostat btw

Your formula is perfect, I've already embraced the fact we'll end up in 2nd Cool
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No problem with the formula. Perfect formula. Great job. I love it.
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Formulas or not, I sure hope that all of you are right regarding your number one pick Cool
 
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I dont think there is any way to rationalize Orange not being the number 1 team, by a good margin.
 
Bikex
Some interesting predictions here. Matt underrated my team last season quite a lot in his preview, this time I think he is more accurate. Mid table is also my expectation. I hope however he underrated us again compared to the final rankings. Bushwacker's table may have some odd placings but he also puts us midtable, so I guess at least for SPAR, he has done quite a good job. Grin
It took me some time to find myself in tastasol's ranking, I didn't even bother first to check the top placements. Thanks for the trust in my team, but I do not think I can come close to your projected 3rd place. Smile
 
matt17br
Matt underrated my team last season quite a lot in his preview, this time I think he is more accurate. Mid table is also my expectation.

You just finished 5 positions above where I predicted you, I mostly thought Denifl would score a bit less in general Pfft But I'm happy that he didn't flat out suck and still brought enough points to avoid relegation considering his wage Smile

This year I reckon he might actually score even better considering the climbers field didn't improve in the division, and of course, your team was easily one of the ones that improved the most with the additions of Daniel especially and Guerao - who however will not have easy life in the kind of sprinters field PCT offers.
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Marcovdw
After I did CT I can't not let PCT enjoy this boring statistical preview

Because everyone's prediction is so full based of subjective things and very difficult calculations, I based my prediction relying on one stat: OVL. Which I know is not a 100% accurate reflection of the actual strength but it's good enough for me. I'll call it "Marco's overall ranking based on overall"

There are three individual rankings in the spoilers. They are all based on the average of the first n-riders of the team. The final ranking is a combination of those three rankings

"Leaders" ranking (5 riders):
Spoiler
RankTeamOVL
1Orange Pro Cycling77,74
2Grieg - Eftel76,83
3SPAR - Shimano - SCG76,82
4Indosat Ooredoo - ANZ76,76
5Berg Cycles76,70
6Newton Foundation76,67
7Team UBS76,60
8Meiji - JR East76,59
9Ferrero - Samruk76,53
9Podium Ambition76,53
11Isostar - Adriatic76,44
12Kraftwerk Man Machine76,43
13Eritel - Sonatrach76,35
14Fablok - Bank BGZ76,31
15Novatek-Panarmenian.net76,30
16Minions76,20
17Generali - EDF76,16
18Compal-Merida76,13
19MOL - OMV Petrom75,96
20Carlsberg - Danske Bank75,75
20Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam75,75
22Euskaltel75,74
23Team Ticos Air Costa Rica75,72
24Haute Route - Mavic75,69
25Valio - DeLaval75,51
26Netia - Vónin75,16


"Depth" ranking (10 riders):
Spoiler
RankTeamOVL
1Berg Cycles75,96
2Orange Pro Cycling75,81
3Isostar - Adriatic75,38
4Meiji - JR East75,36
4Team UBS75,36
6Podium Ambition75,34
7Eritel - Sonatrach75,30
7Newton Foundation75,30
9Ferrero - Samruk75,26
10Compal-Merida75,15
11Indosat Ooredoo - ANZ75,10
12MOL - OMV Petrom75,07
12SPAR - Shimano - SCG75,07
14Fablok - Bank BGZ75,03
15Grieg - Eftel75,02
16Minions75,01
17Novatek-Panarmenian.net75,00
18Carlsberg - Danske Bank74,98
18Generali - EDF74,98
20Kraftwerk Man Machine74,93
21Euskaltel74,78
22Team Ticos Air Costa Rica74,68
23Haute Route - Mavic74,55
24Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam74,44
25Valio - DeLaval74,34
26Netia - Vónin74,02


"Domestique" ranking (15 riders):
Spoiler
RankTeamOVL
1Berg Cycles75,10
2Eritel - Sonatrach74,65
3Team UBS74,56
4Isostar - Adriatic74,54
5Orange Pro Cycling74,53
6MOL - OMV Petrom74,50
7Meiji - JR East74,47
8Newton Foundation74,43
9Generali - EDF74,35
10Minions74,31
11Carlsberg - Danske Bank74,28
11Novatek-Panarmenian.net74,28
13Podium Ambition74,27
14Ferrero - Samruk74,23
15Fablok - Bank BGZ74,15
15Indosat Ooredoo - ANZ74,15
17Compal-Merida74,11
18Euskaltel74,07
19Kraftwerk Man Machine73,97
20Team Ticos Air Costa Rica73,92
21Haute Route - Mavic73,84
22Grieg - Eftel73,82
23SPAR - Shimano - SCG73,76
24Valio - DeLaval73,66
25Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam73,58
26Netia - Vónin73,03


Final ranking (0.5 * Leader + 0.3 * Depth + 0.2 * Domestique):
1pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/ora.png Orange Pro Cycling76,52
2pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/bgc.png Berg Cycles76,16
3pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/ubs.png Team UBS75,82
4pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/new.png Newton Foundation75,81
5pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/mei.png Meiji - JR East75,80
6pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/iso.png Isostar - Adriatic75,74
7pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/ino.png Indosat Ooredoo - ANZ75,74
8pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/t3a.png Podium Ambition75,72
9pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/ers.png Eritel - Sonatrach75,70
10pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/frs.png Ferrero - Samruk75,69
11pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/gre.png Grieg - Eftel75,69
12pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/ssc.png SPAR - Shimano - SCG75,68
13pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/npn.png Novatek-Panarmenian.net75,51
14pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/fab.png Fablok - Bank BGZ75,49
15pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/kmm.png Kraftwerk Man Machine75,49
16pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/min.png Minions75,47
17pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/ged.png Generali - EDF75,44
18pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/cpl.png Compal-Merida75,43
19pcmdaily.com/files/Micros16/mop.png MOL - OMV Petrom75,40
20pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/cdb.png Carlsberg - Danske Bank75,23
21pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/eus.png Euskaltel75,12
22pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/tic.png Team Ticos Air Costa Rica75,05
23pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/hrm.png Haute Route - Mavic74,98
24pcmdaily.com/files/Micros16/lpu.png Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam74,92
25pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/vad.png Valio - DeLaval74,79
26pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/nvo.png Netia - Vónin74,39

Edited by Marcovdw on 07-10-2017 22:55
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TheManxMissile
Ok so two predictions have us in in 8th, one in 12th, one 15th, one 18th and one 20th... f*ck me if i know where we'll finish Pfft

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baseballlover312
This one looks fine to me! You can definitely see my depth in the domestiques category, just hoping that gets me enough points to offset my leaders sucking and I can somehow avoid relegation.
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Scorchio
Using Marco's ranking PCT and CT system, his 'final ranking indicates that Netia (PCT) are 'worse' than the top CT teams. Really relying on Vantomme and Kwaiatk to both have a stormer of a season or could well be in a lot of trouble!

Is a very simplified approach relying on just the 'overall' stat as ignores many impacting factors, but still gives results in both divisions that have who I'd guess most would subjectivally place at the top in those positions and similarly for those at the tail-end. Sometimes simple is elegant Smile
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trekbmc
Scorchio wrote:
Using Marco's ranking PCT and CT system, his 'final ranking indicates that Netia (PCT) are 'worse' than the top CT teams. Really relying on Vantomme and Kwaiatk to both have a stormer of a season or could well be in a lot of trouble!


My leaders have bad averages since they rely highly on back-ups rather than main stats, same goes for our domestiques, this gives them more race days, I see this as an advantage. Pfft I also only focus on two terrains, hills (especially if there's something like a timetrial or mountain to accompany them) and sprints. Many previews expect high average riders and teams who are very diverse but really you don't need them unless you are planning on promoting. I'm not critiquing that in other previews, Marco's and other formula-based previews are very good.

However, these previews often predict me very low, last season should be evidence enough that this is not a problem, LLS finished 5th in the PCT rankings, Vantomme 22nd and our team got 16th place overall. This season we are actually stronger, Kwiatkowski is likely a better rider than Sanchez last season (although there remains the question of how he'll perform in hill classics, with +1 Hl, +1 ACC, +1 Mo but -1 Res, -2 Sta, -2? Flat), while Sanchez declined but should still be useful, with about a 50/50 split of RDs as super domestique/co-leader and leader. While Vantomme has the exact same train as last season, although it's always a risk with PCM being very temperamental.

Not having a go at you, or anybody, I love seeing these previews and hearing opinions. But last season we were predicted as 29th by 'the most accurate preview' and we finished safe in 16th (would've been higher if not for Czech Republic Pfft). We aren't a great team and I don't want to aim to promote until Kaspa and Peda are ready to lead the team, because we want Polish and Danish leaders. Grin but I think something like Matt's prediction of 17th is going to be the most accurate.

Wow, that got kinda long. Embarassed



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Ollfardh
Et tu, Marco?
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Bjartne
So, we'll finish in between 4th place and rock bottom, going to be an interresting season Pfft
 
Atlantius
The Subjective Math Preview by Atlantius

The basis of this ranking prediction is a subjective evaluation of each team in different sub-areas which are then put through a formula with different weightings depending on individual team strengths.

A note is that it is probably a bit skewed towards team with leadership potential on 2-3 areas and mediocre leaders in other areas. My own team is one that probably/hopefully benefits a bit too much from that just.
Some teams will be worse ranked in this than more directly stat-based as I have put a good bit of weight on acc for especially climbers and hilly riders as well as including a small "gut-feeling" factor on riders with a known history of under-performing as well as a general feeling on team level.

Pts
1pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/ora.pngOrange Pro Cycling34.6
2pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/new.pngNewton Foundation32.6
3pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/min.pngMinions31.4
4pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/ubs.pngTeam UBS31.3
5pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/ssc.pngSPAR - Shimano - SCG31.2
6pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/vad.pngValio - DeLaval30.7
7pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/kmm.pngKraftwerk Man Machine30.6
8pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/npn.pngNovatek-Panarmenian.net30.4
9MOL - OMV Petrom30
10pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/fab.pngFablok - Bank BGZ29.8
11pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/cdb.pngCarlsberg - Danske Bank29.8
12pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/t3a.pngPodium Ambition28.7
13pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/ged.pngGenerali - EDF28.6
14pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/mei.pngMeiji - JR East28.4
15pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/gre.pngGrieg - Eftel27.8
16pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/bgc.pngBerg Cycles27.5
17pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/iso.pngIsostar - Adriatic26.6
18pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/eus.pngEuskaltel26.1
19pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/ino.pngIndosat Ooredoo - ANZ25.9
20pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/hrm.pngHaute Route - Mavic25.9
21Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam25.2
22pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/frs.pngFerrero - Samruk24.3
23pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/tic.pngTeam Ticos Air Costa Rica23.4
24pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/nvo.pngNetia - Vónin22.6
25pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/cpl.pngCompal-Merida21.8
26pcmdaily.com/files/Micros17/ers.pngEritel - Sonatrach20.3

Edited by Atlantius on 17-10-2017 19:44

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baseballlover312
Yup, that looks good.
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Marcovdw
Go home formula, you're drunk. No freaking way we'll finish third :lol:
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Ollfardh
Well, we either end up last or 21st it seems Pfft
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